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Hackers Leak Messages 'Between Kremlin and France’s Front National'

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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French media site Mediapart has reported that hackers have leaked thousands of texts and emails sent between the Kremlin and the French far-right party, the National Front.

According to French newspaper Le Monde, the hackers posted the messages on their website and many of the texts discuss Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, and her support for the annexation of the Crimean peninsula, which occurred in March 2014.

The exchanges are between ‘Timur Prokopenko,’ who the hackers identify as a Kremlin official and Kostya, a man they describe as a “Russian connection” who has access to Le Pen.

Hackers Leak Messages 'Between Kremlin and France’s Front National'

On the back of the meeting of European right wing parties in St Petersburg apparently with the Kremlin's backing this is more grist for the argument about just who it is who is trying to destabilise who.

The Kremlin often cries foul over "the west" interfering with "domestic politics" in Russia, but it has been caught financing the National Front - something that has been vaguely known but is now out in hte open:


United in their contempt for all things EU and their yearning for a socially conservative society, Russia and the extremes of the European political spectrum have forged a tacit alliance. Far-right leaders' periodic visits to Moscow, combined with Russian banks' magnanimity toward political entities that European creditors have shunned, have suggested that these parties' gains in popularity could shift EU policy in Russia's favor and undermine the union's stance on the crisis in Ukraine.

Ties between Europe's far-right and Russia became a little more concrete on Sunday, when radical right-wing party Rodina ("Motherland"), the organizer of the forum, adopted a resolution on the creation of a permanent committee to coordinate Russia's and Europe's conservative political forces.


- the leadership of Rodina were previously members of "United Russia" - Putin's main parliamentary support party with over 50% of the Duma seats.




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Notice how quiet the response is?


Infestation of the French goes back to the 1930's. Is it possible the distain between the two nations, at least on the political level, has it Russia as it's source?

It wouldn't surprise.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:11 PM
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It's kinda strange how people these days take criminals like hackers at their words. If someone is supposedly skilled enough to break the security and steal data, why do people trust that they have not altered said data as well, or that said data is even legitimate to begin with?

If I was burglarizing someone's house, and called the cops because I found a big pile of drugs, would my evidence be taken seriously? Who is to say I didn't put said drugs there? How is trusting a hacker any different?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
It's kinda strange how people these days take criminals like hackers at their words. If someone is supposedly skilled enough to break the security and steal data, why do people trust that they have not altered said data as well, or that said data is even legitimate to begin with?

If I was burglarizing someone's house, and called the cops because I found a big pile of drugs, would my evidence be taken seriously? Who is to say I didn't put said drugs there? How is trusting a hacker any different?


The hackers didn't reveal anything that wasn't already known. Russia has been funding right wing neo Nazi parties all over europe.And the Kremlins support of Nazis is well documented.
www.theguardian.com...
www.dw.de...
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

Knowing next to nothing on the subject, take this as a very uneducated opinion from a layman.

Some hackers, especially those that release government secrets, are seen by the public as modern day Robin Hoods.

Rather than robbing from the rich and giving to the poor, hackers take from the informed and give to the uninformed.

I understand fully your point about what you mean about "you" planting drugs in your "neighbors" house, but why would someone plant drugs in a drug house. We expect the government to lie to us so it's easy to believe the hackers.

If they planted something outrageous that 70%+ of the people didn't believe I'd expect people to "blow off" the reports. Something like this will just confirm biases and be used as a club to attack opponents.


edit on 5-4-2015 by 200Plus because: added "some" to first use of "hackers"



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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Oh goodie, this crap again! :rolleyes:

I assume this is the latest propaganda being thrown out there to deflect attention from the National Socialist party claiming significant power within the Ukrainian cabinet?

Not impressed.

Oh, and hackers are modern day Robin Hoods, robbing from the rich and giving to the poor? Yeah, let's explain that to the millions of people who lost their identities to those same hacker enclaves only to watch millions of dollars in debt taken out in their names to fund spendy Mountain Dew and Pizza Bite addictions from those same hackers. I'm sure those average shlubbs will appreciate knowing that the identity thieves are totally trustworthy where release of convenient agenda pushing state emails are concerned.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Lol

Totally different story.

Information theft for information vs information theft for financial gain.

However feel free to run with what I posted = hackers cause global warming!



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

I forget the member who made a great thread about this very subject. Russia could now be seen by all for what they are....an aggressive nation looking to interfere with the world for greater influence, peace and progress be damned.

while I know the legions of online supporters that Russia has hired will respond saying the US has done so as well....I will say this....

We dont try to overthrow Europe and the modern world that is contributing to our progress as a civilization and species.
Russia, Putin....is funding far right radicals like Nazis and supremacists groups to overthrow elected governments in our cultural center that is Europe so as to install people into power that like the ideas of archaic leaders like Stalin....someone who Putin loves.

How an American or European liberal can support this is beyond me. Even those on the far right in Europe.....If you do so after learning all that is out there....I will think you are worse than retarded. I will start to see you as a VERY dangerous threat to peace and as being of the same mindset as those whose banner you carry. If I were a European government, I would kill all the traitors with rubles in their pockets.

There are times when enough is enough...and this is that time. If those of you who support Russia in all this are adamant still after learning all this....we will see you as the enemy of our world that you are. God help you, because things are about to get real.

This will have a response and we will do our part to follow suit. Enough is enough.


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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
It's kinda strange how people these days take criminals like hackers at their words. If someone is supposedly skilled enough to break the security and steal data, why do people trust that they have not altered said data as well, or that said data is even legitimate to begin with?

If I was burglarizing someone's house, and called the cops because I found a big pile of drugs, would my evidence be taken seriously? Who is to say I didn't put said drugs there? How is trusting a hacker any different?



This is a very good point. An excellent post. I just wonder why this point doesn't come up more often when it comes to hackers and hacking.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:55 AM
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My opinion is that the US government and the Russian government arent all that different. The image portrayed is very different but the functionality is strikingly similar, with the US having a somewhat more aggressive foreign policy and Russia being a little harder on its citizens.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 01:49 AM
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I couldn't help but think of this video I seen on another thread last night

Description of video for those who can't watch

Udo Ulfkotte, a former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers), has decided to go public about the corruption of himself and the rest of the Western ‘news’ media, because he finds that this corruption is bringing Europe too close to a nuclear war against Russia, which he concludes the U.S. aristocracy that controls the CIA wants to bring about, or else to bring closer to the brink


I think that the "hackers" in question are nothing more than alphabet agencies leaking information at certain times under the guise of so called freedom fighters ie "hackers". Udo Ulfkotte goes into detail in the video about time he was given information regarding Libya and Gaddafi and asked to print a story in the 80's condemning him. He is a man with a lot on his mind and got sick of pushing lies regarding Russia for propaganda's sake, he has since been demonized. Well worth the watch if you have the time.
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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: sosobad

You do realize this guy is a nut case don't you?? Hes a racist and anti-Islam hatemonger, demanding that all Muslims be deported from Germany in order to create more Lebensraum for ethnic Germans. Even funnier he claimed in an article Muslims were waging a fecal jihad against germany. Said Muslim women were defacating on strawberry fields and shipping thwm to Germany to destroy the population.

It gets better he joined the 911 movement but got kicked out when he blamed Muslims saying the US government was infiltrated by Muslims. Again a plot against germany Muslims take over in the US and take down Germany. He thonks the US is run my Muslims and these muslims will infiltrate Europe and destroy them.

Now because western journalists wouldn't touch him from his crazy racist rants he's currently latched on to the pagida movement which is a group attempting to remove muslims from europe. This is why he's started using Russian media because they support this as well and pay him for interviews on RT when he can't get a job on the west.

Future piece of advice know who your quoting before you take anything they say seriously. He is well known in Germany and let's say mist think he's crazy.

PS when asked for proof of the alleged payments he changes it to he received gifts like gold watches and free trips to conventions. Than when asked about the gold watch he admitted he didn't get one you just have to laugh.



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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 02:57 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

Those same people take Russian secret intelligence services at their word so why not here?


a reply to: dragonridr
I thought the US government was comprised mainly of "Jewish operatives" as a part of their scheme to control the world...

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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:05 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Not in his world view says Obama is a Muslim and he's trying to help Muslims destroy Europe. And 911 was faked by Muslims to draw Europe into a war. Funniest part Russian media eats thus guy up not realizing in Germany he's looked at like a racist conspiracy theorist.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Xcathdra

Not in his world view says Obama is a Muslim and he's trying to help Muslims destroy Europe. And 911 was faked by Muslims to draw Europe into a war. Funniest part Russian media eats thus guy up not realizing in Germany he's looked at like a racist conspiracy theorist.


So are some of the Russian leadership so.....



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

China complains about the same thing, ignoring the fact they were caught giving money to the Clintons.


(post by Aloysius the Gaul removed for a manners violation)

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

This is nothing that hasn't been stated before.Them hacking into it,well the info was already out there. Also,I guess I just look at it as Russia's version of NGO's.They are funneling money for influence in other countries. We do it too.So I guess all countries need to stop it,or all countries need to do it. But this nonsense of "its okay if we do it,but nobody else better" Lol good luck with that. That is what our whole problem is,trying to 'control' the whole world.We do a bad job of it too.

As far as one poster said here,the USA doesn't try to overthrow Europe and modern countries,I will once again post the list of countries we have tried or succeeded in overthrowing. If you look at the list,you will see East Germany,France,and Australia on there as well.

williamblum.org...

So that kinda blows that out of the water. We WILL remove ANY government that we feel will not 'play ball' the way WE want. We are allies to know one. We will take any and everyone down that we feel we have too.Even if we really don't. God help the world from us.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:36 AM
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Yesterday here in Spain the film The Sum Of All Fears, based on the Tom Clancy Novel.

Basically, for those who havn't seen it, a group of Neo Nazis buy a soviét atomic bomb left over from the 6 day war, found by a Syrian scrap dealer in the desert.

He then uses it to destroy part of the east coast of the USA, who immediately blame Russia, the bomb being of soviét fabrication, and automatically begin an atomic reprisal.

The plan is that the usa and the USSR destroy each other mutualy so the Neo Nazis can take control of Europe, as was the Fuhrers plan.

The Neo Nazi "Dressler" says Hitler wasn't crazy he was "stupid" by taking on the usa and Russia another same time.

Does anyone of this sound familiar? Is someone baiting both Russia and the USA into a face off with the winner being a third party..Maybe the third reich is managing all this, maybe even China.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:42 AM
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I don't trust this information right away.

The Front National has been gaining in popularity, there is a real chance of them winning the presidency, because the french are absolutely sick of Hollande and the Socialist party (the current president). So they are swinging towards the opposite end, towards the right wing.

But the media and socialists are doing everything they possibly can to discredit the Front National. Every single day it is something else, and turns out to be BS. At this point, we're getting a bit de-sensitized to the accusations. Like the boy who cried wolf, if the media does grab onto some real incriminating information, the masses are probably not going to pay attention.

It's worth noting the the biggest known supporter of Mediapart is Segolène Royale.... and Hollande. This is just another play at trying to discredit their competitors.
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