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originally posted by: Bspiracy
a reply to: skalla
I guess I missed the river next to the quarry .. I'll see where that is in a bit
I agree that myself replicating a test would be awesome and would advance the debate but that's an impossibility of course. What's surprising is that no one else has from an institutional level.
The system in the paper required either 800 oxen by straight pulling on a level plane or a buncha men with gears setup in a complex fashion.. The roman constructions I can see using the system in the paper but I just can't see the method working over treacherous terrain like the uphill path to the temple with the larger blocks.. Which that is where the blocks came from right?
The stones were transported over a path only 600 meters length and about 15 meters *downhill*. The quarry is 1160 meters high, and the temple 1145 meters. So it was easy to keep the stones on an even level to their final resting place and it was uneccesary to lift them about 7 meters as some authors claim.
As you might know, Rome is the city with the most obelisks outside of egypt. They stole the things by the dozen and took them home. The heaviest known obelisk weighs 510 tons, and it was transported some 1000's of *kilometers*. This transport was documented by the roman author Marcellinus Comes. The romans even left detailed paintings and reliefs about the ways to move such things : as on the bottom of the Theodosius-obelisk in Istanbul.
They used "Roman-patented" winches, in German called "Göpelwinden" which work with long lever ways. To move a 900 ton stone, they needed only 700 men. The transport was slow, about 30 meters a day, because they had to dismantle and rebuild the winches every few meters, to pull the obelisk with maximum torque. But in Baalbek, where they moved several blocks, maybe they built an alley of winches, where they passed the block from winch to winch.
But its irrelevant, because they needed only three weeks per block, and that's OK. Oh by the way, the Romans worked a few hundred years on the temple, until the project was finally canceled.
originally posted by: BspiracyThe romans weren't the first to build there and I'm not convinced the romans were the ones that built the base with the 3 large blocks..
Still looking around for more info to digest though...the romans are the best bet for this site i agree ...but not others.
Third: A German expedition dug 1904/1905 through to the foundations of the temple. The temple platform is through and through of Roman origin. They found typical roman masonery, roman trash and so on, down to the bedrock. Nothing un-Roman was found! Btw: The temple platform was not built from massive stone, but typically roman honeycombed. Only the outer shell looks like a massive building.
originally posted by: Bspiracy
a reply to: Harte
yer awesome for posting these links.
if only I could add whatever million karma points to your profile for this re-directional understanding.
Now I have to verify the large stones came from said elevated location rather than the lower elevated and MUCH further location than what I previously understood.
That makes all the difference in the world when contemplating this site and others.
Again.. I ask if there are any sites that boggle your mind?