Ontarians oppose the new graphic sex-ed program for schools

a reply to: Strawberry88

You seem to have a great fear that sexual predators are going to target your child at school, it's much more likely to be a member of your family that targets your kids.

originally posted by: Telos

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

Really? Well,you could have fooled me... you're the one who opened your post by saying...

I'm not trying to fool anyone and actually I take offense of your "tone". I don't understand what's your scope in this thread, dealing with the elephant in the room or picking on words that I already explained (which I don't have to) that were part of the article and not my opinion. Learn rules of commentary analysis in which the replies can start with a copied phrase from the original material.
I'm done commenting about this.

The words that I cited and highlighted above were yours, and not presented as quotations from another source. Forgive me, then, for quoting you. I do believe that 'commentary analysis' calls for quotation marks. All that aside, like I said, the fact that you found it important to cite Wynne's sexual orientation in the first sentence speaks volumes, especially in the wake of an election where we could proudly declare it was a non-issue.

From Toronto Star, dated March 2nd 2015:

Liberals can't deny Levin's role with sex-ed curriculum

TORONTO - Despite efforts by the Liberal government to distance itself from suggestions that disgraced bureaucrat Benjamin Levin had a hand in crafting the sex-ed curriculum, there’s ample evidence he put his fingerprint on what Ontario children learn in the classroom.

Levin — a former deputy education minister who is expected to plead guilty to child porn-related charges Tuesday — repeatedly highlighted his role as overseeing curriculum issues.

In a 2009 newsletter, the then-deputy minister said he was “responsible for ... everything that they do” and to “implement” the “new” approach.

and the below is even more clear

In an interview with OISE’s winter 2009 newsletter, Levin said: “I was the deputy minister of education. In that role, I was the chief civil servant. I was responsible for the operation of the Ministry of Education and everything that they do; I was brought in to implement the new education policy.”

The controversial parts has students as young as six learning about “consent” who by 12 are given an introduction to same-sex relations.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
especially in the wake of an election where we could proudly declare it was a non-issue.

Election? Seriously? I couldn't care less about liberals or cons (or any other political force for that matter).

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

From yer own stinkin quote

"This curriculum is not talking about the joys of sex as much as it’s about the relationships"



So much for preventing teen pregnancy and std. I don't think you need to know the rules to the modern sexual landscape to prevent either of those.

a reply to: Telos
The question is, did he bring any of his criminal behavior to the curriculum? Show me that he did, please? If not, then you are simply using the whole issue as a handy diversion from the fact that you don't like the curriculum changes.

originally posted by: Annee

Refer to Johnny Canuck post

Actually no. I refer to my post which is : Telos

a reply to: Telos

Kids at 12 are Going to know about same sex relationships, they should be discussed along.side heterosexual relationships. Is Canada quite conservative?

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: Telos

Kids at 12 are Going to know about same sex relationships, they should be discussed along.side heterosexual relationships. Is Canada quite conservative?

Some Canadians are, and too often they'd like to drag the rest of us down with them.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: Strawberry88

You seem to have a great fear that sexual predators are going to target your child at school, it's much more likely to be a member of your family that targets your kids.

Ahh really now, that really puts my mind at ease coming from a stranger.


Perhaps then you can explain to me why my schoolyears are filled with anecdotal evidence to prove the opposite?

Anecdotal goes for every class that had the specific teachers

I know of two male teachers in the school I went to that were fired years after I finished school, because the anecdotal evidence against them had piled up


And I KNOW this to be the case in every local school I know of



So please, go tell someone else that they're more likely to get abused by their family, because as much as that happens, it is IN NO WAY "proof" or whatever your reasons were, that teachers are less likely to be pedos.

originally posted by: Strawberry88

originally posted by: Annee
Someone prove to me where a child pornographer wrote this curriculum.

And I don't mean a "sideways" association of circumstances.

Why do children aged 5 need the added confusion of ALL the sexual options they have? Society is not complicated enough as it is or what? WHEN they ask, ? . . .

If you think 5 year olds don't have feelings and attractions ---- you are not paying attention.

Some parents will address it and keep a running dialog going with their child.

Some parents will ignore it.

Some parents will be horrified and try to shame the child.

Some parents will turn to God to advise them.

ALL children need to have these feelings and curiosities addressed in an educated manner. Parents need to work with the schools to protect their child, not against them.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: Telos
The question is, did he bring any of his criminal behavior to the curriculum? Show me that he did, please? If not, then you are simply using the whole issue as a handy diversion from the fact that you don't like the curriculum changes.

John, there is a video on the OP, 10 minutes long that explains in detail what are the changes in the curriculum. Also there is the link in the op where all the changes are shown. And just the fact that is a pedophile is enough of a reason that nothing gone through his hands should be introduced to kids.

In the below link all the changes are analyzed and explained better. Take the time and go through those.

Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum

Kathleen Wynne and Minister Liz Sandals have also promised that teaching of "enthusiastic sexual consent" will be weaved throughout the sex-ed curriculum, beginning in grade 1. It appears that it will become progressively more explicit in each grade so that children can "see what consent looks like", althought the government has not provided details on how this will be presented to 6 year olds....

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: Telos
The question is, did he bring any of his criminal behavior to the curriculum? Show me that he did, please? If not, then you are simply using the whole issue as a handy diversion from the fact that you don't like the curriculum changes.

If the fact that a KNOWN child pornographer is even MENTIONED in anything that deals with children and education, does not bother you, than that's fine!!

But you really shouldn't expect people to continuously defend their position, I don't see why I should, since my position is based on common sense, which I shouldn't need to defend. The mere fact a KNOWN pedo is in any way shape or form tolerated to be even NEAR this whole thing says more than enough, period.


CHILDREN. SEXUALITY. PEDOPHELIA.


Those three words should not come out of your mouth followed by "ok!", whatever way you look at it.

a reply to: Strawberry88

That's the elephant in the room that somehow is being ignored by some.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You are free to tell your kids what you want.

Leave the rest of us alone

originally posted by: Telos
a reply to: Strawberry88

That's the elephant in the room that somehow is being ignored by some.

IMO - you are focusing on that and ignoring everything else.

a reply to: Strawberry88

If you are that paranoid about teachers then take your kids out of school, rather than suggest schools do not provide information about sex education.
Kids can't be protected from predators if they are ignorant of the dangers which is surely part if sex education.

a reply to: Annee

The point is, these are OUR kids, not yours, not the state's.

This area belongs to the parents, and no one else.
Period.

a reply to: Annee


I don't think you read my entire post, I'm well aware some people will bring in anti-gay rhetoric, as I mentioned myself

But I also added that that to me is not enough reason to trust strangers with a delicate subjects as sex when it comes to MY children


But because some homophobe will shame his child because he likes boys, I should accept the fact that instead, all children get to hear about all that lovely stuff whether they're ready for it or not?

NO. Stop forcefeeding children this garbage when they're NOT READY.



It's disgusting how you're all acting noble about this, stop forcing children to learn about stuff that will affect them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES when some are CLEARLY not ready for this



I will NOT change my opinion since this subject is personal to ALL of us and the way that I experienced it has affected MY life, so I goddamn full well know what I'm talking about, and your LACK of sex education does not invalidate my own experiences, which have led me to conclude that NO, for f*ck sake its NOT a good thing to push this on ALL children.




I have to wonder too, how you can all claim that sex ed etc was needed when you were younger, when you have ZERO CLUES how this would have turned out, what person it would've made you. You can only speak from experience so I have to wonder why you could possibly think children as early as FIVE YEARS OLD need to start learning about all this stuff, when you yourself HAVN'T. You found out your own way and I'm willing to bet you're all arguably fine. No idea though what has led you to believe "if only I had had sex ed, my life would've been so much better!"

a reply to: M5xaz

But why should your wishes outweigh those of parents who want this. Is there no opt out system in Canada for sex education classes?