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posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: jjkenobi

For the everyday U.S Citizen, Christian Extremists and their push to legislate us to follow their beliefs, like restricting homosexuals from marriage, ect, is more of a threat than a bunch of people killing each other on the other side of the world.


If you had to choose, would you prefer a society that does not legally recognize marriages between homosexuals, or one in which homosexuals are executed for their sexual orientation?

Thank you for making the OP's point.




posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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All these types of discussions ever seem to do is highlight the problem with all religions. Sitting around and arguing about which one is worse is rather pointless. All religions, in varying degrees, create and facilitate hatred and violence as well as cultural separation.

We as a species will never advance if we keep allowing ourselves to be distracted and separated.

For that reason I don't see the point in trying to place different religious groups on a big chart of violence. Only so that I can point to "my favorite" as being in a better position on the chart.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: BlessedLore

Dead on bullseye with that post BlessedLore. Thank your for taking the time to type that.

It is why I am spending less and less time on ATS. Peoples minds are pretty much made up. You can clearly see that here.

Time to make sure I am right with the Lord and do what I can to encourage friends and family to do the same, because at this point it is all that really matters.

I find it pathetic that people compare Jesus and Mohammed. Its like comparing mother Theresa and Charles Manson.

They will be bowing to the Lion of Judah, the one they openly mock. Only it will be too late then.

Just as was foretold, right is wrong, good is evil, black is white, up is down.
This next verse is exactly what I see in this thread and in most of the PC rhetoric spewed by the oh so intelligent.



Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!



And this verse is exactly what we have in the world today.


1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth


I have wasted too much time listening to the very ones I was warned to 'turn away' from.


"If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve:

but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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I feel so sorry for those women and children. From the history books i read that death by crucification is extremely painful. It can take up to 5 days in some cases. How can grown men be so mean to women and children.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Hendrick99

I don't live in that society because we've made efforts to move past that. What the op and you is saying is we should ignore and stop trying to advance our society and instead focus on the societies of others. That because we have progressed beyond what they are doing, we should work to make their situation better and stop trying to advance our own until we catch them up. What you are saying is that we should stop fighting hatred and prejudice within our society because worse hatred and prejudice occurs somewhere else.

Frankly I'd rather live in neither society you described, and will not apologize for wanting to improve the home I and my loved ones live in before going to die or send someone else to die for some strangers half way across the world. Especially when there are places even worse that are basically ignored because there's no special interests there. If you really had a problem with atrocities committed on others, and ass backwards ways of thinking you'd be focused on Africa and not the Middle East and their bull#.

You want to stick your nose in other people's #, that's fine by me, but there's nothing wrong with people that think, concentrating on fixing their own home and troubles is a higher priority. And don't bother fear mongering with some threats about ISIS will come here. It's BS, because frankly, special interests want us there, and ISIS is great excuse for special interests to put us there.

So you know what, it doesn't matter what I think or care about, US isn't really leaving the Middle East anytime soon, nor will ISIS ever be a true threat to us either. So while a bunch of people desire to tow the line of special interests, I will focus on home because you know what, that's where I live, and it's here and the people here that are my biggest concern.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: tadaman
No one disagrees what's going on in the middle east is a travesty, but that is not a domestic problem.


It became a domestic problem on the 29th of June 2014.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: BlackNWhite

Kill as many christians as possible? Lol.
I call bs on this one.
If they wanted to kill christians they surely chose a strange part of the world to commit their little "crusade".....a part of the world where christians are as rear as bacon in Saudi Arabia.
I bet 99% of the slaves mentioned in the Op are muslim women. 99% of Isis attrocities are commited against other Muslims.


The people currently at most risk from ISIS are other Muslims.

As a Christian, sure, their directives from Mohammed are to oppress, subjugate, and tax me if I lived in territory they controlled.

For a Muslim who does not agree with them completely and follow unconditionally... well, that's questioning Mohammed, which means questioning Allah, which means apostasy, which is an automatic death sentence.

It must be a strange time to be a muslim in the West. On the one hand, most of the muslims I know are appalled by the actions of ISIS. On the other hand, when it comes to speaking out... well, what if the unimaginable happens and ISIS manage to extend their caliphate? If you were the one seen on the news, or the street corner, or in the papers, speaking out... your life is now forfeit. Not "oooh they'll be very angry with you and shout at you for a bit" forfeit, but "hey, look, they're actually really executing people" forfeit. So do you speak out, or do you keep your head down and say nothing just in case? It wouldn't be the first time in history that people were faced with that choice and decided to keep their objections to themselves.

In fact, from my understanding of this, it is considered a duty of all muslims to move to the caliphate once legitimately established. So any muslim who chooses to remain in the West might now automatically be considered to be apostates by ISIS. Must be a scary thought for them.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: tadaman
No one disagrees what's going on in the middle east is a travesty, but that is not a domestic problem.


It became a domestic problem on the 29th of June 2014.


You mean the attack that occurred in Benghazi, Libya? On foreign soil, to our Ambassador who's job is to take risks by poking his nose around in foreign soil? Sorry if I don't have a conniption fit about someone getting killed overseas who job is to have his nose in other countries business. Was the killing a terrible thing, yes, but that is CLEARLY a foreign, not a domestic issue.

If an American chooses to go to the middle east and gets killed there, that's a foreign not a domestic issue, it did not occur domestically and only occurs because someone from here chose to step into foreign soil.

At this point is when you bring up the attack on 9/11. Which we have not had an attack of such magnitude in a long time. If anything significant at all, and one could easily argue that, that attacked occurred because of our intrusive foreign policy in the first place. Either way is irrelevant, because as stated before, thanks to special interests, US is not leaving the middle east anytime soon.

So it's completely irrelevant if some of us consider domestic matters more important, you and your special interest corporate overlords will win anyway, you always do.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: tadaman
No one disagrees what's going on in the middle east is a travesty, but that is not a domestic problem.


It became a domestic problem on the 29th of June 2014.


You mean the attack that occurred in Benghazi, Libya? On foreign soil, to our Ambassador who's job is to take risks by poking his nose around in foreign soil? Sorry if I don't have a conniption fit about someone getting killed overseas who job is to have his nose in other countries business. Was the killing a terrible thing, yes, but that is CLEARLY a foreign, not a domestic issue.


Nope. Not that.

It's the date of the formal declaration of IS as a caliphate. That brings with it a whole host of problems. The only limitation on its ability to impact on you, personally, is how willing muslims across the globe are to turn a blind eye from some of the specifics set out in the Koran. Now, Baghdadi claims to be Ahl al-Bayt and they certainly hold territory (including Dabiq, which is important for other reasons)... so is his status as caliph valid under Islamic law? I believe it probably is, certainly for Shi'a muslims. Mohammed's instructions were for all muslims to declare allegiance, bayah, to the legitimate caliph. That's not one of those contentious matters up for interpretation.

So muslims across the world (including all of those in your own back yard) are now being placed in a difficult position: keep your head down while picking and choosing the bits of the Koran to apply... or follow the clear instructions and swear allegiance to Baghdadi.

Think of it this way - if the Pope called for all Catholics to pick up a gun and head to Rome to defend the Vatican... are you absolutely certain that every Catholic in your state would ignore that call? Because that is pretty much exactly what some say has now happened in the muslim world. If his position and legitimacy as caliph is considered valid under Islamic law, then he has effectively become the muslim equivalent of the Pope.

There is a hell of a lot more going on here than you seem to realise. What happens next depends on whether muslims are as willing to ignore the caliph as Catholics are willing to selectively ignore the Pope when it suits them.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
not all religions are equal and people need to stop that nonsense.
Some are clearly "better" than others.
and Islam IS a problem in these times.
more than 2000 people have been killed as a direct result of Islamist extremists in the month of january alone.
To say that in the time we live in, christians are as much of a problem as muslims is politically correct garbage that will end up getting us killed.
I hope those women get some kind of justice, even in the form of a hand grenade being thrown at those pigs.


Religions aren't equal... but the insanity and ego of human beings are all fairly equal. To pretend that one religion is better than another is to pretend that Democrat or Republican is different.

Human beings haven't changed in thousands of years, if at all. The religion(s) of those human beings are completely irrelevant because ALL humans seek to rationalize their behaviors, it's why the Crusades are always used as an example.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Because this type of behavior clearly never happens in other parts of the world... Grow up sunshine...



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

It is Liberals who try to compare everything to Christians, and fail to identify the current threats due to it. They can never see clearly who their current enemy is, instead they try to say everyone is their enemy.

This is also why Liberal Europe fell to Germany during WW1 and WW2.

This is also why Liberal Europe will fall to radical Islam. It is going to be converted via population change.

This is also why the Liberals in the United States wont deal with our illegal immigration problem. They want the citizens who will vote for socialism, but they forget that everything south of the United States is governed even poorer than here.

Europe and the United States will fall during my life time purely to their own stupidity.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
Is day BagdadI started it unless you mean the US started it by locking him in prison for a year. I'm guessing he's probably holding a grudge.


No I am talking about almost billion in funding of Syrian rebels who morphed into ISIS

US finding



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:58 AM
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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
not all religions are equal and people need to stop that nonsense.
Some are clearly "better" than others.
and Islam IS a problem in these times.
more than 2000 people have been killed as a direct result of Islamist extremists in the month of january alone.
To say that in the time we live in, christians are as much of a problem as muslims is politically correct garbage that will end up getting us killed.
I hope those women get some kind of justice, even in the form of a hand grenade being thrown at those pigs.


Or Nukes.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: jjkenobi

It is Liberals who try to compare everything to Christians, and fail to identify the current threats due to it.


There is a significant difference between Christianity and Islam that is often overlooked. Failing to understand it will prevent people from ever fully appreciating the risks posed by those who hold to a strict interpretation.

Christianity accepts variation. Part of this may well be linked to the fact that there are several different translations of the Bible, each with their own subtle differences that can change the tone of the content. Catholicism no longer holds to the idea of total inerrancy in the Bible, and hasn't done for a very long time. Statements from the Church are carefully worded to say that the fundamental message, the matters of faith, are without error, not that the entire book is without error. While there are many Protestants with differing views on this, I am concentrating on Catholicism because it is a clearer parallel to draw due to the concept of a central authority for interpretation.

Islam, however, certainly at its most fundamental level, holds that every word of the Koran is perfect and the word of their god, without error. To question the Koran is to question god, which is one of the gravest sins. There may be much theological debate about how a passage is to be understood or how it is to be applied, but it is never suggested that the passage is wrong.*

It is a very important difference in mindset. The western world is happy to contradict or even openly disparage the Bible, and most of the western world is prepared to listen to that viewpoint. You can't expect the same approach to work with Islam. You cannot offer logical arguments against a viewpoint that says "contradicting this is the worst sin you can commit". What you can do, of course, is offer support to those that say "the words might be perfect, but how you have interpreted or implemented them is incorrect". That is where the first battle is to be fought, and it's a fight that can only be taken up by those with authority to speak on the matter - muslims. Our thoughts on the matter have absolutely no relevance at all. It's made a lot harder by the fact that some of the statements involved are pretty clear and difficult to interpret any other way than the way ISIS are interpreting them.

The Koran is a masterpiece of entrenchment. It is exceptionally hard to logically argue against if some of the basic precepts are adhered to, because the core of those precepts are related to protecting the Koran from any criticism in the first place. To question it can be apostasy. To disregard what is written can be apostasy. To put the laws of man above the laws of god can be apostasy - so if you don't follow through with an action because it would break the law of the country you live in, the punishment could be death.

Up until now, there has been an "out" because some obligations only applied when a caliphate was established. If that caliphate is found to be legally valid under Islamic law, that places a very different set of obligations on people.

This is why I feel a great deal of sympathy for the majority of muslims who really want to get on with their lives in peace while living up to many of the positive ideals of the religion. ISIS are basically digging up some of the nastier stuff in the book and bringing it to the forefront.

Imagine you had an elderly parent with a short fuse and quick temper who has just started a full-on feud (firecrackers over the fence, letting the air out of the tyres, angry shouting matches over the fence etc) with the neighbour because they built their fence one inch too far across the boundary line. Sure, you understand why he's annoyed but you're fairly certain there is a better way to handle this. You really don't want to get dragged into the nasty mess that property disputes so often become - but on the other hand, for all his faults, he's still family and you feel obliged to stick by your family, and he's also right based on the letter of the law. You could try to talk him down and look for an alternative way to resolve it, but he would just as easily turn on you for being a traitor... and again, you know that he's pretty much in the right in principle even if not in execution. That, I think, is the situation many people across the world have found themselves in.

* a slight aside (hence the footnote) but this leads to a logical problem that I've always had with the Koran. If something is written perfectly, then I think it is entirely valid to say that it should be completely understandable without any further interpretation needed. Seeing as there are several passages in the Koran that need extensive explanation to make them "fit" (much of the science is completely off the wall) then it cannot be, by definition, perfect. If you can read something, take it exactly as written, and be left with the wrong impression, then it can't be perfectly written. If it was perfect, there would be no need for tafsir (explanations/interpretations of the passages). The fact that tafsir exist in the first place is pretty much proof of imperfection in the writing.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
Isn't the all volunteer US military primarily Christian?

Aren't the very vocal patriotic flag wavers mostly Christian?

Why behead individuals when you can drop bombs?

BTW - I am NOT a pacifist. But, things have to be seen in perspective.

People relate more to an individual being executed then to hundreds being killed in a way they can detach from.

Extremism is extremism.





Are they carrying the cross in front of them as they march into war?
Are they screaming religious verses/prayers as they kill people?
Are their leaders making them do it in the name of a religion?

The answer is no. They are doing it at the order of the American President and Congress, whomever that happened to be at the time. From whatever party happens to be in power at the time, in the name of America. Where we proudly have members of all religions as citizens. Soldiers as well.

Some of them are Christians, yes. Ans some probably do pray as they attack. But it's their choice to do so, or not. And usually that prayer would be for forgiveness. Not telling God that they are doing this FOR him, in his name.

These islamic extremists are loudly doing it in the name of their cult...er "religion". ALL of them. Every single one. No other religions are represented in their ranks.

Can we please get past the childish ways of excusing one groups actions by citing another's? It sounds like a toddler standing there screaming "But.... they did it too!!"



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: jjkenobi

It is Liberals who try to compare everything to Christians, and fail to identify the current threats due to it.


There is a significant difference between Christianity and Islam that is often overlooked. Failing to understand it will prevent people from ever fully appreciating the risks posed by those who hold to a strict interpretation.

Christianity accepts variation. Part of this may well be linked to the fact that there are several different translations of the Bible, each with their own subtle differences that can change the tone of the content. Catholicism no longer holds to the idea of total inerrancy in the Bible, and hasn't done for a very long time. Statements from the Church are carefully worded to say that the fundamental message, the matters of faith, are without error, not that the entire book is without error. While there are many Protestants with differing views on this, I am concentrating on Catholicism because it is a clearer parallel to draw due to the concept of a central authority for interpretation.

Islam, however, certainly at its most fundamental level, holds that every word of the Koran is perfect and the word of their god, without error. To question the Koran is to question god, which is one of the gravest sins. There may be much theological debate about how a passage is to be understood or how it is to be applied, but it is never suggested that the passage is wrong.*

It is a very important difference in mindset. The western world is happy to contradict or even openly disparage the Bible, and most of the western world is prepared to listen to that viewpoint. You can't expect the same approach to work with Islam. You cannot offer logical arguments against a viewpoint that says "contradicting this is the worst sin you can commit". What you can do, of course, is offer support to those that say "the words might be perfect, but how you have interpreted or implemented them is incorrect". That is where the first battle is to be fought, and it's a fight that can only be taken up by those with authority to speak on the matter - muslims. Our thoughts on the matter have absolutely no relevance at all. It's made a lot harder by the fact that some of the statements involved are pretty clear and difficult to interpret any other way than the way ISIS are interpreting them.

The Koran is a masterpiece of entrenchment. It is exceptionally hard to logically argue against if some of the basic precepts are adhered to, because the core of those precepts are related to protecting the Koran from any criticism in the first place. To question it can be apostasy. To disregard what is written can be apostasy. To put the laws of man above the laws of god can be apostasy - so if you don't follow through with an action because it would break the law of the country you live in, the punishment could be death.

Up until now, there has been an "out" because some obligations only applied when a caliphate was established. If that caliphate is found to be legally valid under Islamic law, that places a very different set of obligations on people.

This is why I feel a great deal of sympathy for the majority of muslims who really want to get on with their lives in peace while living up to many of the positive ideals of the religion. ISIS are basically digging up some of the nastier stuff in the book and bringing it to the forefront.

Imagine you had an elderly parent with a short fuse and quick temper who has just started a full-on feud (firecrackers over the fence, letting the air out of the tyres, angry shouting matches over the fence etc) with the neighbour because they built their fence one inch too far across the boundary line. Sure, you understand why he's annoyed but you're fairly certain there is a better way to handle this. You really don't want to get dragged into the nasty mess that property disputes so often become - but on the other hand, for all his faults, he's still family and you feel obliged to stick by your family, and he's also right based on the letter of the law. You could try to talk him down and look for an alternative way to resolve it, but he would just as easily turn on you for being a traitor... and again, you know that he's pretty much in the right in principle even if not in execution. That, I think, is the situation many people across the world have found themselves in.

* a slight aside (hence the footnote) but this leads to a logical problem that I've always had with the Koran. If something is written perfectly, then I think it is entirely valid to say that it should be completely understandable without any further interpretation needed. Seeing as there are several passages in the Koran that need extensive explanation to make them "fit" (much of the science is completely off the wall) then it cannot be, by definition, perfect. If you can read something, take it exactly as written, and be left with the wrong impression, then it can't be perfectly written. If it was perfect, there would be no need for tafsir (explanations/interpretations of the passages). The fact that tafsir exist in the first place is pretty much proof of imperfection in the writing.





Bravo!


Well said. Everyone should read that post.

That's what I asked my islamic coworkers many times. "If the Q'uran is perfect, and you have to follow every word of it to get to paradise (this is indeed what they believe, another difference with Chritianity), then how can you deny that the terrorists ARE muslims if they are following those very words?"



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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Thank you, I enjoyed your post as well. It was good to see that scripture again 1-7. The entire 1-7 is very powerful and very telling for those that have eyes and ears. I also believe 5-7 is very accurate for today in the generation we are in, a sign of the times to come. Even though soon it will start to get difficult for everyone, especially those truly in christ Yeshua; for if the world rejected the son then surly the world will reject the followers of the Lord. Even though things will get extreme, we are to be like watchers on the wall, faithful, and great in long suffering, eager in humility, and constant prayer to keep us strengthened, wise, spiritually sound, and working always on making and maintaining your bodies as a temple for Yeshua Jesus christ, Yahovah God the father and the Ruach Ha Kodesh the Holy spirit to dwell within just and always keep us within the narrow path and use us 27/7 to help others, plant seeds, and receive our crown. Remember this, even though this is the last generation and everything will continue to progressive get worse, how blessed are we and everyone else in the world currently to have been chosen by God himself to live during these times. When I ponder that, it is awe inspiring to get even a glimpse of one of the infinite aspects of God. Also don't let anyone tell you as a christian it's not okay to pick up a weapon and defend yourself, family, friends, even protecting other christians who will chose not to stand up when truly needed and choose luke-warm complacency who are to caught up in the turn the other cheek verses quite to literally, especially in all cases of protecting the innocent little ones who will be the greatest in need when the 3.5 mandatory starts. It is key for christians to recognize this as this is one of the percentages of those referenced as the great harvest but there is a lack of enough fishers of men to work the fields fully. Blessed are those that make it though to the end, for the first will be last and the last shall be first. Even though we may never meet in this life on this world, I look forward to fellowship with you and others at the wedding of the Lamb. May you and your family be blessed in the the Lord God almighty, may the anointing cover you, fully protected in the armor of God always and forever more in the name of Yeshua I pray amen.

Here's a few verses and God Bless us all we all need it!!!!

Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

If you notice and this is key and what most churches choose to leave out on purpose unfortunately, but notice how it says to take fight to the evil ones("But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil" but then for others the turn the cheek philosophy is given, this is a reference to long suffering but always to know the Lord wills us to engage the evil ones when need be.

Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

This covers food, shelter, love, protection etc everything we would all want for our families.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Nehemiah 4:17-18 Who were building on the wall. Those who carried burdens were loaded in such a way that each labored on the work with one hand and held his weapon with the other. And each of the builders had his sword strapped at his side while he built. The man who sounded the trumpet was beside me.

Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Romans 10:9-10 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Luke 22:36-37 35 And He said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." 36 And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment."

I truly believe and this can be seen and meant for multiple times/eras/events but I think Jesus is also talking to us now as in, in his times his followers didn't need the purse or sword all was provided during his time with them. Notice how Jesus says but now, I think this is a reference to now and/or the times preceding after his resurrection and ascension to heaven to be back at the right hand of God. And urging us in the need to be realistic and procure what we need for our families and households weapons included.

And lastly the blessing of the last generation,

Luke 13:29-30: “They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. “And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

God Bless all




posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: tadaman
No one disagrees what's going on in the middle east is a travesty, but that is not a domestic problem.


It became a domestic problem on the 29th of June 2014.


You mean the attack that occurred in Benghazi, Libya? On foreign soil, to our Ambassador who's job is to take risks by poking his nose around in foreign soil? Sorry if I don't have a conniption fit about someone getting killed overseas who job is to have his nose in other countries business. Was the killing a terrible thing, yes, but that is CLEARLY a foreign, not a domestic issue.

If an American chooses to go to the middle east and gets killed there, that's a foreign not a domestic issue, it did not occur domestically and only occurs because someone from here chose to step into foreign soil.

At this point is when you bring up the attack on 9/11. Which we have not had an attack of such magnitude in a long time. If anything significant at all, and one could easily argue that, that attacked occurred because of our intrusive foreign policy in the first place. Either way is irrelevant, because as stated before, thanks to special interests, US is not leaving the middle east anytime soon.

So it's completely irrelevant if some of us consider domestic matters more important, you and your special interest corporate overlords will win anyway, you always do.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought our embassies WERE American soil???



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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Weird logic any US citizen attacked in another country is a domestic issue. In fact the same people handle it the FBI. Now I guess your point is isis a threat to most Amaricans probably not at least not yet. Will they probably do we wait that's the question?



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