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The new Pentagon Paper
A scathing top-level report, intended for internal consumption, says that Bush's "war on terrorism" is an unmitigated disaster. Of course, the administration is ignoring it.
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By Sidney Blumenthal
Dec. 2, 2004 | Who wrote this -- a pop sociologist, obscure blogger or antiwar playwright? "Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic -- namely, that the war is all about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is -- for Americans -- really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game. This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are really just talking to themselves."
This passage is not psychobabble, punditry or monologue. It is a conclusion of the Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Strategic Communication, the product of a Pentagon advisory panel, delivered in September, its 102 pages not released to the public during the presidential campaign, but silently slipped onto a Pentagon Web site on Thanksgiving eve, and barely noticed by the U.S. press.
The task force of leading strategists and experts within the military, diplomatic corps and academia, and executives from defense-oriented business, was assigned to develop strategy for communications in the "global war on terrorism," including the war in Iraq. It had unfettered access, denied to journalists, to the inner workings of the national security apparatus, and interviewed scores of officials. The mission was not to find fault, but to suggest constructive improvements. There was no intent to contribute to public debate, much less political controversy; the report was written only for internal consumption.
www.salon.com...
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Ok, enuff of that silliness! Gotta love how BushCo. was so confident in their prosecution of this fiction, I mean, war, they wouldn't allow the report to see the light of day until after the election.
Anyone else notice how few Bush apologists are left here? I guess the rest of them realized you cannot defend the indefensible.
Originally posted by Blobber
One can therefore ask, what has the US really achieved with the invasion of Iraq?
Blobber
Originally posted by jsobecky
where's your source that the White House suppressed it, since it was available to everyone on the internet?
Know anybody that makes such statements, and cannot defend them when presented with facts to the contrary, ECK?
I won't go so far as Kerry would have; asking the UN for permission to do something.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
This has been known for quite some time. At least to those paying attention.
I won't go so far as Kerry would have; asking the UN for permission to do something.
This statement is false. If you wish to push this fallacy here, please supply us with a direct quote of him saying it.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I won't go so far as Kerry would have; asking the UN for permission to do something.
No it's not false, and you know it. He said during one of the debates that he would put preemptive war decisions to a "Global Test", another way of saying he would ask permission of the UN.
"Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic -- namely, that the war is all about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is -- for Americans -- really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game. This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are really just talking to themselves."
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Sorry, but your HEARSAY doesn't cut it. Let's see the quote.
LEHRER: New question. Two minutes, Senator Kerry.
What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war?
KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control....
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons....
Originally posted by jsobecky
where's your source that the White House suppressed it, since it was available to everyone on the internet?
LEHRER: New question. Two minutes, Senator Kerry.
What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war?
KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control....
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons....
Originally posted by jsobecky
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Sorry, but your HEARSAY doesn't cut it. Let's see the quote.
KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control....
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons....
where's your source that the White House suppressed it, since it was available to everyone on the internet?
Originally posted by JimboE
To the EastCoastKid,
Boo Hoo Hoo, It makes me so sad for all you left wingers who haven't gotten over President Bush beating your psudo war hero boy.
Here's a news flash for you, get used to it, the president won big, he has far more supporters than detractors.
I am really very much concerned the US is almost at the point that it has lost the war in the Middle East:
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
yawn. Sorry, but he says the president has always had the right to use pre-emptive force. You are somehow hearing what you wish to hear. If you are assuming, by him referring to a test - global, or whatever - before the application of force, he means having solid PROOF and CONSENSUS. Are you unclear on the meaning of that? Or do you just refuse to acknowledge the wisdom in that approach?
where's your source that the White House suppressed it, since it was available to everyone on the internet?