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New Pentagon Paper: War on Terror an Unmitigated Disaster

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posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 01:47 PM
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Regardless of our dependacy for oil, one thing is for certain. Their are ways to cut down our need for it.




posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by smokenmirrors
To do so as an individual would be near impossible at this juncture, and to do so as a nation, the U.S. that is, would be total and unequivocal disaster.


Exactly. Untill other options are given to the public, the choices are oil, oil, or oil.



Face it, our whole nation, our economy, our way of life depends upon OIL, much of which comes from the mideast......yeah, the U.S. will be there militarily for a long, long time.

Saudi Arabia to be precise. They are the Us's largest supplier of the black crack.



Diesel, Gasoline, Kerosene, Lubricants, Synthetics, Plastics, Asphalt, Home Heating, Trucking, Shipping, Farming, Automobiles, Lawn Tractors and Weed Whackers, man, the list goes on, and on, and on........


I dream of the day when I can go buy that 52 inch cut Toro riding Lawnmower that is powered by hydrogen feul cells.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by mrmulder

My mom once tried to knock some sense into me by saying "The people (of course she mean Bin Laden and group) who attacked us on 9/11 are crazy!" Of course I simply ignored her. IMO the people who are crazy are the people in our government. They are the one's responsible for all this mess.


She was right and didn't even understand how. Yes, the folks who (facilitated) the attack on us are crazy. Criminally insane, to be exact. They are that little cabal running the show... Rumsfeld, Cheney, Myers, Wolfowitz, Feith.. et al..



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by smokenmirrors
it sounds as though you described your very self.


Right. Yawn..



The only real test as to whether the "war on terror" will have been, or not been, a success will be when one can take a historical look at the years in which it was fought. Many today are in to instant gratification, if results are not achieved in a short time, they become disillusioned. This war will not be over soon.


Wake up. This war on terror was created by those elites you worship. They needed an enemy to justify our military's mammoth budget and to pad the wallets of their friends in the mil/indust/pharmo/complex. What was once fiction is now their new cold war. Don't be so naive.


I stated at the onset, hmmm, let's see, I think it was 9/11/01, that the enemy of the free world made a tactical error in attacking the U.S. homeland. What we have today is a result of that error. As you, and all else can plainly see, the U.S. has been, and will likely be, in the middle east militarily for quite some time. My bet is for the rest of my lifetime, and I am 45 years old.


Yeah, only as long as the people continue to buy this crap. Or all of our sons and daughters have been drafted to go fight for the elites, while their children skate through life out of harm's way.


One thing is clear, to curl up by the fire, sipping cognac, smug in the belief that all is well, would be a very dangerous thing to do in the current world climate. Delusional at best.


I don't know who you're talking about here, but it ain't me.
I know very well what its like outside of our borders to the other side of the world.


Maybe we should have called it the war for Mideast Oil. That is in fact what is being decided here. Will the Mullahs control the Iraqi flow, or will the U.S.?


And now, we finally get to the heart of your reasoning. Sorry that oil happens to be under your land. We need it. So, we're gonna take it. We're better and more human than you, Iraq. Get over it.

What racist Bu#. One of these days, if someone comes along and shoots you and steals your vehicle, don't even think about crying. What comes around goes around.


Are you prepared, and do you think your fellow countrymen are prepared, to give up your reliance on that oil?


My friend, there are far more intelligent ways to deal with these matters. I've authored threads on this very subject in the past, before your time here. Look them up if you'd like to see what I have to say.



[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 10:03 AM
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Criminally insane, to be exact.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 08:45 AM
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These crackers lied to all regarding Iraq's WMD, as openly confessed by Pentagon uber idiot Paul Wolfowitz (in Vanity Fair magazine), and opened this pandoras box of death and chaos. As long as our troops are there, it will ony get worse. Imagine that. The American people need to get this through their heads. How many dead and maimed US soldiers & Marines is it going to take for our people to comprehend this and demand our withdrawel?



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 09:31 AM
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I am going to tell you more, this week one of my husband co-workers they all work in our lacal marine base, he retired the same year of my husband, without warning, letters or anything more than an e-mail telling him to go get a new ID card.

He was confused, so he went to the base military ID office and asked what was wrong' the office told him that he was on the computer for a new ID, when he got the ID it was not his retired one but the active duty one with an extension to 2006, he immediately when to the commanding officers and found out that he was activated due to his status as equipment specialist.

He was sent to have a physical, and had orders to Jacksonville NC, and then he will be sent to Iraq.

All this in a matter of days, from the time he found out, now did he tried to refused?

Yes he did, but it seems that our military has some new rules under "specialty jobs" and he fall under, he can not do anything or he will lose his retirement.

I find this dirty tactics and I am very worry and so every body that though that they were to old to be call back, like my husband.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:55 AM
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This whole dam thing is immoral.
Rumsfeld's incompetence and ignorance regarding his transformation of forces has been nothing short of disasterous. The draft is coming. It's only a matter of time.

Anyone recently departed from the military with a background in supply should be expecting that call. It's the number one specialty needed.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Yes he did, but it seems that our military has some new rules under "specialty jobs" and he fall under, he can not do anything or he will lose his retirement.

I find this dirty tactics and I am very worry and so every body that though that they were to old to be call back, like my husband.


The rules that you speak of are not new. They have been in place for some time.

It is not a dirty tactic. Everyone in the military has it explained to them the conditions under which they may be recalled before they are allowed to retire.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

The rules that you speak of are not new. They have been in place for some time.

It is not a dirty tactic. Everyone in the military has it explained to them the conditions under which they may be recalled before they are allowed to retire.


My husband about 3 month ago asked for information on call back of retired marines, actually he was told that first you have to pass the physical and the reasons of call would be under US declaration of war.

Now all that has been modify to call back on specialty jobs, with a new twist if you refused you may lose your retirement.

This right now is just random but my husband is recalling the people that retired with him to see what is going on.

So far everybody is as surprised as him.

But as a former Marine he said he will do what his nation tells him to do, beat me that Marine mentality, all I know is that we will lose about 35 thousand dollars if he goes back on his last rank if he is recalled.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

Everyone in the military has it explained to them the conditions under which they may be recalled before they are allowed to retire.


This is not true. I spent time in the Navy, and all my recruiter told me was I would spend four years in active and two years as a reservist. Then my obligtion was over. This is the first I have ever heard of this before.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Now all that has been modify to call back on specialty jobs, with a new twist if you refused you may lose your retirement.


No, that is a fact of life for Reservists. That is why they transition into the Inactive Reserves when they retire.

This is nothing new, the government can recall you if you possess skills that they need to quickly regain.

If people would read the contract that they sign when they join there would be a lot less of this going on.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
This is not true. I spent time in the Navy, and all my recruiter told me was I would spend four years in active and two years as a reservist. Then my obligtion was over. This is the first I have ever heard of this before.


Reread what I said. It applies to people who retire, not leave.

Didn't you go to TAP before you left?



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND


Didn't you go to TAP before you left?


Nope. The Navy and I had a dissagreement on sea/shore duty. I was up for shore duty, and reinlisted on the condition of being stationed in an European country. They agreed, then, the base I wanted to go to closed before the transfer was complete. They wanted to send me to Japan for sea duty agian. The JAG officer I talked to said otherwise.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Nope. The Navy and I had a dissagreement on sea/shore duty. I was up for shore duty, and reinlisted on the condition of being stationed in an European country. They agreed, then, the base I wanted to go to closed before the transfer was complete. They wanted to send me to Japan for sea duty agian. The JAG officer I talked to said otherwise.


Did they let you out of your enlistment?

What was the detaching command?



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 08:11 AM
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Well, the world is out that retirees have been recalled but on "certain equimpment" specialty, my husband is a equipment specialist in his civilian job but his MOS was supply, so he is ok.

Now is another of his fellow marine retiree that is on the edge he also retired on the same year as my husband, and he is still doing the same job as equipment specialist as he did while in the service, now he is worry as hell.

I will keep posting of more development in our local base and our retirees.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND


It is not a dirty tactic. Everyone in the military has it explained to them the conditions under which they may be recalled before they are allowed to retire.


Yeah, right! What kind of recruiter did you go to?! No one I've ever talked to has ever had anything good to say about their recruiter. They're famous for filling recruits heads with BU#. As a matter of fact, I was just reading about their current campaign. Talk about propaganda and bribes. Its awful.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Yeah, right! What kind of recruiter did you go to?! No one I've ever talked to has ever had anything good to say about their recruiter. They're famous for filling recruits heads with BU#. As a matter of fact, I was just reading about their current campaign. Talk about propaganda and bribes. Its awful.


Is it the recruiters fault if the recruits do not read the contract, in full, before they sign it.

Anyone else here happen to notice the correlation?



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND


Did they let you out of your enlistment?

yes


What was the detaching command?


Long Beach Ca.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND


Is it the recruiters fault if the recruits do not read the contract, in full, before they sign it.



funny, I have never heard of anyone in the military being satisfied with what their recruiters told them. If anything, I've heard many say they'd love to go back and kick their f-in' azz.




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