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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I agree. Proof is subjective in that you have to be intelligent enough to recognize it when it comes along.
Not all do.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I agree. Proof is subjective in that you have to be intelligent enough to recognize it when it comes along.
Not all do.
Uh... No... Proof is ALWAYS objective. When proof is subjective it is thrown out.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I don't expect you to get this. It's not for you at all. SOME who believe have had things happen that prove to THEM that what they believe is real. Since it didn't happen to you, it's not proof, it's hearsay. I truly get that. I fully support your right to not believe in anything that doesn't' bite you in the ass.
But to call folks stupid for something that you don't understand is,....well....stupid.
Nothing on this Earth requires you to believe in it for it to be real. But things you haven't seen, nor will ever see are just as real as the chip on your shoulder.
If your goal is to win the argument that no proof of God exists, then POOF! You win. Congratulations. Your prize is you get to not look forward to anything other than terrestrial pleasures. Enjoy that. Drink it up.
I am content in knowing that something greater than I can comprehend created all that I see. And amazingly enough, I didn't require your approval.
Smile, even though you don't think he's there, God loves you.
Your prize is you get to not look forward to anything other than terrestrial pleasures
And amazingly enough, I didn't require your approval.
Smile, even though you don't think he's there, God loves you
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
A:
Your prize is you get to not look forward to anything other than terrestrial pleasures...
B:
I am content in knowing that something greater than I can comprehend created all that I see.
C:
Smile, even though you don't think he's there, God loves you.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TzarChasm
The bible again. And see those accounts are what make the bible untrustworthy. I always enjoy the Christian cop out, "If you can't trust the Jesus account then you can't trust any other history as well." No... Other historical sources tend not to speak of magical events in their summaries of events.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Tangerine
I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me with this post. I'm not really looking to start a "did Jesus exist" discussion with you, because frankly I'm not sure he existed either. There is a possibility that Jesus is an amalgamation of several cult leaders or just one person who developed a cult of personality around his actions. This isn't surprising since cult leaders tend to be charismatic and very influential. Then they perform fake miracles to make it look like they healed people. It's easy to believe that someone is healed in the moment and you don't check up on them a day or two later.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I agree. Proof is subjective in that you have to be intelligent enough to recognize it when it comes along.
Not all do.
Uh... No... Proof is ALWAYS objective. When proof is subjective it is thrown out.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I don't expect you to get this. It's not for you at all. SOME who believe have had things happen that prove to THEM that what they believe is real. Since it didn't happen to you, it's not proof, it's hearsay. I truly get that. I fully support your right to not believe in anything that doesn't' bite you in the ass.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
I agree. Proof is subjective in that you have to be intelligent enough to recognize it when it comes along.
Not all do.
Uh... No... Proof is ALWAYS objective. When proof is subjective it is thrown out.
Proof is a mathematical term. I think you mean testable evidence. You are correct that testable evidence is always objective.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Tangerine
I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me with this post. I'm not really looking to start a "did Jesus exist" discussion with you, because frankly I'm not sure he existed either. There is a possibility that Jesus is an amalgamation of several cult leaders or just one person who developed a cult of personality around his actions. This isn't surprising since cult leaders tend to be charismatic and very influential. Then they perform fake miracles to make it look like they healed people. It's easy to believe that someone is healed in the moment and you don't check up on them a day or two later.
You have referred to the Bible as documentation of miracles by saying, "there is no documentation of miracles outside of the Bible." There is no documentation of miracles Inside the Bible, either. Claims are not contemporaneous documentation. That was my point.
What's silly is demanding objective proof of the concept of a supernatural being