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originally posted by: ChiefD
As for the flu shot, yes I got it, just like I do every year. People who have gotten sick did not get their flu shot. Yeah, so it was only 23% effective, but it did work for me. Also, older people and people who have heart disease and that should always get a flu and pneumonia shot every year, as they may have weaker immune systems.
This whole anti vaccine thing comes out of the woodwork on a regular basis, and it's a bunch of bs. I've said it before and will say it again: Would you want your child to wind up with polio? Think about that before believing stupid twit celebrities who make ridiculous debunked claims that vaccines cause autism. Okay, I'm off my soapbox for now.
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: kaylaluv
You can't control how you get sick.
Mammals evolved in the constant presence of fungi, bacteria, and virus. The immune system is highly efficient in dealing with all these. Recovering from Flu provides a holistic resistance against a wide spectrum of infection.
Hacking the immune system is a fairly recent technique. It hyper stimulates one of the 3 subsystems involved.
No easy, controllable way to get infected by live contagion. That's why the ignorant masses want quick fixes and hacks. All chemical hacks have trade-offs. Even tylenol.
originally posted by: soficrow
New studies from Canada, the US, Japan and Hong Kong support Canada's 2009 finding that seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu - and does NOT provide higher protection than no vaccine.
In the 10 years since the B.C. lab invented more sensitive ways to conduct this type of sophisticated immune research, there’s never been an increase in flu illness among those vaccinated compared with the unvaccinated.
Regardless of previous vaccination history, flu shots did protect against flu infections requiring medical care, Huong McLean of the Marshfield Clinic Research Foundation and her colleagues concluded in a September online issue of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. Protection was greatest among those who weren’t vaccinated previously.
originally posted by: L.A.B
a reply to: Prezbo369
You must admit that vaccines for MMR (mumps , measles , rubella) , Polio and vaccines you take before you travel abroad to places like rural India and Africa are of a benefit to man kind though?
And what about the vulnerable in society - those people who without vaccination would die from flu regardless of natural immunity due to an immune suppressive disease?
I agree vaccinations should not be forced upon everyone , but you must surely agree in those circumstances stated above they are of benefit.
I also believe some parents put their child's health at risk by not having basic 21st century vaccines such as MMR , but that is their choice for their child and they are allowed to make it. But this attitude increases infectivity and gives the "old school" viruses, shall we say, a chance to mutate and become more harmful to others who have been immunised - as it interacts with the human genome. More chance for mutation results in higher susceptibility for change.
originally posted by: antar
a reply to: soficrow
17 years ago I did a poll at work (healthcare) to see how many people took the seasonal flu shot and how many did not.
Those who took it, spent more time off for not only the flu but also other illness that I felt were directly related to a compromised immune system.
They keep making claims this year on the local news about this years vaccines not being made strong enough and that is why almost everyone who took the shot have been sick with not only the flu, but upper respiratory illness.
I know I know I am singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to join in the discussion from my perspective.