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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 04:45 AM
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oh i just noticed this part, or rather, i just realized i should ask about this part:



Niacin will also neutralize the methyl groups.


if the methyl in methyl b-12 is beneficial for his friend, why would you want to neutralize it?




posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: undo

In my mind it made sense but it may not to others. I was trying to say that taking niacin will cancel out the methyl group and that if someone takes too much niacin on a regular basis, or eats foods containing niacin regularly, the methylation in the body might suffer. Nicotinic acid will expand the blood vessels which can cause the skin to get red as it shuffles blood out to the skin. It also raises the heart rate to compensate for the lowered blood pressure that happens at that time. The pill nitroglycerin that some people take as a medicine targets raising heart rate and blood pressure. Most people do not know that the number one reason people die from the heart is from too low blood pressure and too low heartbeat. There is a name for that but I can't remember what it is. Nitrogen containing compounds are necessary. When we break down muscle, a nitrogen compound is formed that raises the heart rate and expands certain blood vessels increasing the blood that flows to the muscles. This also raises our breathing. So when our bodies are working properly, when we run our heart rate increases. If the muscles break down too much, a problem possibly with collagen formation, then the heart races really fast and we can have an A-fib type event. When people experience a severe trauma, the nitrogen compounds come loose and the heart goes into Afib. They usually give a medicine to help control this and get out the paddles to reset the heart. There is probably a lot more to this than I know, but you would have to ask a doctor for more specifics. This would be where NavyDoc would be handy. I could always learn more, I like learning.

So Nicotinic acid is necessary but overconsumption can use up all the methyl in Methyl B12 They should probably be taken at seperate times to get the proper effect. The methyl group is needed to properly complete the Folate cycle and also some other cycles in the body. B12 needs methyl to work too. An after dinner mint might actually work, they used to always have those at the register at restaurants but you don't see them much anymore. I'm not sure if that is really bioavailable though.

You said you used to eat a lot of fruit. Berries have a very active form of methyl from what I read. It is potent. Some people have problems with certain berries because of the type of cyanogen they have. If you hit the wrong one, you will notice you get thirsty. If you can't quench the thirst eat an onion or grapefruit, the thio sulfate will neutralize the cyanide and turn it into Isothiocyanate which can have some good properties if moderation is observed.

Gee, I am turning into a nerd with this stuff. I hate that, that is why I don't facebook. I wouldn't want the people I know to know I am a OCD nerd. On here, if someone isn't interested in what I say, they can just not read it.
Ninety nine percent of people are not interested in this kind of stuff. My daughter keeps telling me I go over people's heads when I talk. I figured she should understand me because she is taking classes in medical terminology, but she is taught the words and not how to apply those words to daily life.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

i think it would be really cool if you compiled a series of mini snack menus, like for adjusting the various issues a person might have with their bodies. it might help you determine what route someone like the op's friend should take, safely, thru the morass of problems that arise when something major goes wrong.

don't be embarrassed! by learning to help yourself, you're helping other people too!



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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like you could say:

ailment / symptom

1. for this, eat: ______ (whatever it is)

2. if you find this _______ (whatever it is) is happening, then do this ____________ (whatever it is)

etc
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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: rickymouse

wowzers. that is so nice of you to do and i really appreciate the time you've invested in researching all this. it would be awesome if you could come up with something to help his friend. i'm sure he's at the stage where any improvement would be welcome and if you're right about molybdenum, what a godsend solution.

do you recommend it for people with kidney problems in general? you mentioned processing/removing ketones, so i was guessing that it would at some level, be beneficial for diabetics, as well.



I still have a really lot to learn yet. I might be able to help steer this person but I haven't the knowledge on how to precisely diagnose a solution. I can only give possible choices. A doctor or specialist who has been doing this for many years might be able to use what I say to help someone because they have experience in the application of this knowledge to treat diseases. I am like a computer that can throw out a bunch of possibilities and not make a decision.

Now, if a person has problems with sugars, they can possibly still burn ketones. If they reduce the sugar consumption without boosting the ketone system, they run out of energy. We have two ways of making energy and there may be more from what I have been reading. The sun helps us make energy, we have specialized cells in our skin that convert vitamin D and help us keep warm even in cold weather. These tie into pathways we already know about though. You can also boost the amount of brown fat in the body, they are doing a lot of research on that now. Taking a sauna or doing exercise helps to get rid of chemicals in the body that we can't metabolize and excrete. That seems to be why they are trying to tell people to sweat more. If the acetylaldehyde is not excreted it can cause problems, that is the old person smell. Acetylaldehyde is a form of ketone so you need to boost CoA to help process that out to burn ketones. I only know what I research though and there could be some side effects that I don't know about.

I know that I have hypoglycemia, it is something I have always had. If I boost up my insulin, I get problems so I can't try much of what I know on myself. If I eat a lot of sugar I will crash about an hour later, I get head spins from it. Now this is the opposite of diabetes, but I still need to watch my sugar consumption or I have problems. Too much insulin in the body can cause organ damage from what I have read and can lead to diabetes. I'd be in a mess if I had that happen with my hypoglycemia.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: rickymouse

i think it would be really cool if you compiled a series of mini snack menus, like for adjusting the various issues a person might have with their bodies. it might help you determine what route someone like the op's friend should take, safely, thru the morass of problems that arise when something major goes wrong.

don't be embarrassed! by learning to help yourself, you're helping other people too!


The problem with this is that food is very complex. I have spent a lot of time trying to decipher multiple chemistries in foods and trying to evaluate side effects of consumption. We are told to eat this and the other chemistry in the food interacts with our genetics and it can cause side effects. It's frustrating, I have been studying this for six years and that is why I started studying genetics, having my dna and my off springs dna analyzed and then I downloaded it into livewello so I can learn how to properly evaluate things.

I was surprised that when my daughter told the doctor about the multiple collagen disorders my grandson has in the Livewello reports that he knows about livewello and is interested in seeing this information. He is ordering one microarray to check for a particular thing now and wants me to print out some variance reports. I will give him access if he wants if it will help and write some notes on the possible problems and corrective variances I have found. He is missing one of the corrections I have, I have always had problems with my joints and ankles but no problems with muscle tone because of a variance that helps correct this, one he does not have. He also has one genes for hyperelasticity that I don't have. so I can only guess that calcifying the tendons a little with the bad effects of the potato hormone might help to stiffen them. I have problems with two, and I eat a lot of potatoes naturally, they contain calcitrol which is a super hormone that will calcify soft tissue including tendons. Moderation is the clue.

Boy I get off topic easy.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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yeah i had the old person smell, years before i was diagnosed with diabetes. was a volunteer for red cross in a hospital and the head nurse was freaking out about it. she said, "something's wrong" but she couldn't figure out what. my sister picked up on it too, and had same reaction - she knew something was wrong, but not what. once i was diagnosed, i figured it they had been smelling the acetone but just didn't know what it was. funny, i had many physicals and blood tests over my life and they never found it till much later. only clue they had was gestational diabetes, which went away after pregnancy. strange diabetes revelation that only showed up after i had to take chemotherapy for a couple months, had a big chinese buffet meal with lots of carbs, before taking a physical and a blood sugar test. then kerpowie -- "you have diabetes".

le mew, le sigh.

anyway, been trying to control it with herbs and such. i don't take insulin injections or insulin pills (or even monitor my sugars). rather i just avoid sweets and most carbs (i really miss being able to eat bowls of fruit and fruit pies, i mean florida key lime pie is a slice of yummy fruity heaven). i take chromium polynicotinate for blood sugar, methyl b-12 for neuropathy and various anti-oxidants for kidney and organ support. still not feeling very good but i'm recovering from a flu bug and my initial mistake of over ticking the potassium reduction thing. the prednisone i'm taking (chronic bronchitis complications with flu) is kinda messing with me blood sugar and kidney issues tho. like my whole back is just one big itch, atm, which is usually a sign my kidneys are pitching a fit



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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My kidneys got a little damaged by the depakote I was taking for the epilepsy. I took that the longest, for about two and a half years. The other four drugs added up to about two and a half years too, and the problems were always a little different from each drug but they all had strong negative effect.

Because the blood testing results were all in the normal range, which meant I was not dead yet, they didn't look farther. I researched the normal range, even with a screwed up head from the medications, and found a pattern in the results. This showed lympopathy, and I brought it to the doctor. She quit giving me meds, saying that the drugs they had were going to kill me. She did not understand why I was allergic to all the meds and the symptoms were extremely obvious. So, since I had the time, I started researching things, having identified AIP as a possible reason. If I would have only known it was so much more complex and there were a lot of other genes involved, I might have lost interest. Not knowing that there would be extensive thought involved tricked me into researching. I had to find dietary things that increased my thinking ability, so I studied what provigil was, a drug I was given to help me to continue thinking. I studied the basis of the medicine and what it was actually doing. It is just one of many notropic compounds that are found in nature. But sadly, with epilepsy I cannot completely take advantage of excessive amounts of this chemistry, I found a medium.

I'm waiting for more from the OP to see if I can help the OP and her friend figure out what to do, The disease will probably never be completely cured, but maybe it will improve quality of life without taking excessive amounts of medicines.


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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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i'm anxious to hear what the actual problem is the op's friend has and your potential solution for at least, decreasing his suffering and maybe even completely resolving the problem. would be a great thing to witness happening.

so you're saying your kidney issues were actually related to your lymph glands?



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: rickymouse

i'm anxious to hear what the actual problem is the op's friend has and your potential solution for at least, decreasing his suffering and maybe even completely resolving the problem. would be a great thing to witness happening.

so you're saying your kidney issues were actually related to your lymph glands?


The medicines disrupt the P450 enzymes which are important in certain detoxing pathways. They are usually created in the liver but can be created in some other organs. So my liver got calcified and this caused problems with detoxing and led to problems in the kidneys. My liver has recovered quite a bit and so did my kidneys. I had a lot of kidney pain for years. I thought it was back pain, because it was sore on side of the backbone. I figured out that some of what I thought was back pain was actually kidney pain and kidney stones by accidently stumbling on how to diagnose kidney problems in my research. It took about four different articles for me to comprehend that some of the back pain I was having was from kidney problems for many many years. Since I was used to the messed up back from falling off the scaffold, I inappropriately labeled all pain as pinched nerves. My kidneys started to spasm a bit when I took the thistle, probably because I could not tolerate sulfur compounds because of a reduced function of the molybdenum genes. Oh, those sharp headaches from wine and pabst beer. I never knew why I got them. Well, I know now, and I see that these gene variances were passed on down to my kids, so I can tell them never to drink cheap wine or pabst beer.....do they even make pabst anymore? I'm starting to think I might be getting a little old when I mention things regularly that have died away and only older people know of them.

When cells were dying from the build up of toxins my body made because the medicine dampened the enzymes, the lymph system kicked way up and I had swollen lymph nodes all over my body. Some of this was because the kidneys got damaged because the liver was not working well.
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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 12:04 PM
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your knowledge is wonderful. my friend and i were sharing some "dating yourself" humor the other day, after both being able to sing some commercial jingle that hasn't been on tv for years. can't remember now what it was but was pretty funny.

anyway, you traced your kidney problems to your lymph nodes? i had to stop taking echinacea cause it made my lymph nodes swell up and burst right out of my skin.


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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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Echinacea is more of a medicine, used short term it can help with some things, but I wouldn't use it long term. Milk thistle is another thing that can be used for under a week without problem by most people, I learned that the hard way. If you do not have any buildup of toxins in the body, maybe taking thistle all the time would be good.

I read some articles about that before but had to just look it up to refresh my memory on Wikki. I think that boosts your immune system up, so the lymph nodes getting big is probably a result of that. I learned that boosting your immune system when you have autoimmune issues is not a good thing. I learned that the hard way of course in my testing of things on myself, eating a food touted as an immune system booster. I also found that people saying to eat foods because it boosts your ability to metabolize sugar does not work well when you have hypoglycemia and already make too much insulin. I watch Dr. OZ with the wife and shake my head and am constantly telling my wife which information is right or wrong for different people and why it is wrong in certain cases. He has good information but his evidence does not explain when to use the information, so people wind up doing the wrong thing for their condition many times. He also forgets what he said the show before. He is just an actor and maybe a good heart surgeon.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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interesting. what foods metabolize sugar? i'm getting anxious to hear from the op!



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: undo

Certain foods aid in the metabolism of sugars by different means. It depends if it is insulin resistance or a reduction of insulin production that is the problem. I'd have to know more, we should make another thread for that because there are a lot of possible ways based on the problem that caused the inability to process sugar properly.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: undo

Certain foods aid in the metabolism of sugars by different means. It depends if it is insulin resistance or a reduction of insulin production that is the problem. I'd have to know more, we should make another thread for that because there are a lot of possible ways based on the problem that caused the inability to process sugar properly.



k go for it. and link it here or send me link in pm



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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rickymouse

see your pms.


where's the op???



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: undo
rickymouse

see your pms.


where's the op???


Waiting is a bitch. Maybe the person did not want others knowing about his problems. They are anonymous, I don't see a problem but some people do not like that.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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ok, so he sent me a quick message and his phone number so i could text him, if anyone wants me to ask him a question, please let me know and i will ask it for you.

he said it is called polymyositis, and it causes weakness in the muscle system, he didnt have time to talk due to him being very busy with medical paperwork, and personal things, sorry it took so long to get into contact with him, hope this gives us more to look into. thank you everyone, he really is thankful for everyones input



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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hes at the pooint now i think where he will try natural things and look into it since the docs are trying to figure out why the medicine he was on isnt working anymore, i will text him and ask him what medicine he was taking, again, sorry it took so long to hear back from him. he is dealing with a lot right now as i said before, but like i said, he gave me his contact info because he is appreciative of people trying to help, so i can get a hold of him much easier now.



posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: neomaximus10
hes at the pooint now i think where he will try natural things and look into it since the docs are trying to figure out why the medicine he was on isnt working anymore, i will text him and ask him what medicine he was taking, again, sorry it took so long to hear back from him. he is dealing with a lot right now as i said before, but like i said, he gave me his contact info because he is appreciative of people trying to help, so i can get a hold of him much easier now.


okay, looking forward to seeing how this resolves.



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