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originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: GiulXainx
That's quite a rant. So you spent $120+ dollars buying cigarettes for people. It seems to me that there are lots of ways that money could be better spent: on food,
on shelter,
on clothing, on looking for a job,
on the desperately needed board games.
Maybe the addicts should stop smoking. Ever think of that? Yes, you can bet I'll scoff at you if you suggest that I donate a pack of cigarettes to a homeless person. Not going to happen.
or other drugs.
Cigarettes and weed have the highest value inside homeless shelters to "keep people normal"? It's not normal to value cigarettes and weed over all else. I have no idea what it's like to be awakened by someone coughing because they're a smoker or asking for weed? Dang right I don't. And If I did I certainly wouldn't give either to them.
You told us that donating board games to shelters will keep the homeless from going to bars and drinking. Are you kidding? It's not my job to keep the homeless from drinking. It's their job.
I'm very familiar with the operations of the local food bank. It works very efficiently and people who need the food, including the homeless who live in shelters and those who don't, get it. They do have to show up to get it, of course. I guess you expect delivery service.
I found your following comment to be hilarious, "But your perception will always be that instant gratification of "oh they have a donation center here" when you should be thinking "oh, I wonder whose job this is to do and how much they pay him for charity work." This comment of yours was preceded by a list of homeless instant gratification demands.
Did it occur to you that those people working at the food bank are being paid for actually working and you want to take those jobs from them? Perhaps you could apply to work at the food bank.
I wonder if others feel as I do that you're doing the homeless a disfavor by expressing this attitude.
originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: GiulXainx
Many businesses routinely throw out food so you spent $120 on cigarettes to give to homeless people? Sorry, but I don't see one justifying the other. Perhaps you could better explain the connection between the two because I missed it.
By the way, much food is thrown out (if it's been on a plate, for example) because of health laws.
Perhaps the people who run your shelter should ask for the donation of unsold food from those businesses and arrange to pick it up or have it delivered. Perhaps you could volunteer to make the calls on behalf of your shelter.
People miss payments on houses and someone lied to a church to get free rent so you spent $120 on cigarettes to give to homeless people? Sorry, but I don't see the connection between those two things.
Many jobs require special clothing that you don't have so you spent $120 on cigarettes to give to homeless people? Sorry, but wouldn't it have made more sense to save the money to use to buy that special clothing when you find a job? You have to buy an iron to iron shirts for work. Well, so does everyone else unless they buy shirts that don't require ironing. Perhaps you could buy one and donate it to the homeless shelter so it's available for everyone to use. Perhaps you could create a list of things that would be useful for the shelter to have and either arrange for the shelter to call churches and other groups or do so yourself.
You flat-out accused me of not donating anything to a homeless shelter unless it has survived 8 garage sales and everyone else I know has rejected it. That's quite a fanciful accusation not to mention an outrageous expression of entitlement that most people understandably find offensive.
How much does it cost an addict to stop using? I don't know but that $120 you spent on cigarettes helped them to stay addicted. I know people who have stopped smoking after years by putting down a half-filled pack of cigarettes and saying, "No more." It's called will power. Until the last decade or so, that's how everyone who quit smoking quit smoking. You really don't need the help of the pharmaceutical industry, a physician, a psychiatrist, an aromatherapist a masseuse, and a spa to stop.
As for hard drugs/alcohol, I believe addicts will forever be addicts. At best, they'll exchange one addictive substance or activity for another. Some of them exchange drugs for religion but they're still addicts. That's why I think homeless addicts/alcoholics should be separated from the rest of the homeless population with the goal of protecting society from them.
originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: GiulXainx
Your comment, "Better yet I hope a sick homeless person comes in contact with you and end up with the shingles" says far more about you than about me.
Here's another comment from you, "Wait until the day you face it yourself. You will be the Roger who gets kicked out because you can't sleep with everyone else snoring as your first complaint. And then start a riot for being a rat about who smokes weed, cigarrets, or stole the hand sanitizer out of the rest room." Again, it says far more about you than about me.
You hope I don't work at a bar? Huh? Another of your comments, "I hope you don't work at a bar. I give people an answer on keeping drunk homeless people from causing scenes and immediately it is followed with a conjectured and repulsive reaction."
My reaction was not conjecture. It's fact: it's not my responsibility to keep anyone from getting drunk. There's a solution for keeping drunk homeless people from causing scenes: it's called institutionalizing homeless alcoholics and addicts to protect society from them and to separate them from the homeless who will actually benefit from social services. It will also encourage people to have less disdain for the homeless because right now, when most people think of the homeless, they think of gutter drunks and addicts with an enormous sense of self-entitlement.
If your homeless shelter is 15 miles away from the nearest food bank, I assume that food is delivered to you or you'd all be starving. If it's not being delivered, take it up with the people who run the shelter or call the food bank and make arrangements to have it delivered by those people you want to lose their jobs. It's interesting that you complain about workers at food banks getting paid for their labor. If that's the case, why don't you volunteer to work some place free?
If I donate food, I donate it to whom I wish to donate it. You have this enormous sense of entitlement that allows you to tell me that I have to donate it directly to you. No, I don't. I would strongly recommend that you keep this sense of entitlement to yourself because, if the word gets out, you'll get less than you get now.
Your comment regarding food banks: " And most of the time they sell donations to cover the cost of the truck, gas, and wages for the workers to deliver the goods.
To us we see it as stealing. Stealing donations from us because everyone is lowsy at it. And what we see going in is not what we receive coming out. "
Perhaps you missed the part where people donated the food to the food bank not to you. You missed the part where people don't have to donate anything to you unless they wish to do so. You missed the part where people who work are entitled to be paid for their labor.
To you it's stealing when people don't donate to you because, in your mind, their possessions are yours?! Boy, you've got some serious attitude problems that are standing in the way of you getting yourself out of the mess you're in. Let me be very clear: we don't owe you anything. Deal with it.
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Before I got sick again I was volunteering at a charity for young homeless people in my near by town. I had grown up in a nice middle class village and wasn't really aware of the poverty that existed in my own town. It was an eye opener that these homeless youngsters existed. I'll admit I volunteered as I was out of work and the volunteering gave me some self worth, not out of a moral obligation. So maybe selfish on my behalf, but what was of benefit to me was also of benefit to the charity. I
tried not to judge the youngsters although it became apparent that coming from a stable family background makes a huge difference in people's lives. I had grown up with 2 working parents, who expected me to work as soon as I was old enough, they also expected me to work hard in school and go to college and university.
Most of the youngsters who visited our charity,had been kicked out from homes with no love or positive role models. Most had some form of mental illness. I'm not a psychiatrist, so was in no position to diagnose, but it was quite clear most had mental health issues. I did the volunteering for 3 years and really enjoyed it.
I was always thinking of ways to get these youngsters motivated and engaged with varying degrees of success. It wasn't easy, but it felt good trying. There's only so much you can do. So I wouldn't say I felt morally obliged or that people should be morally obliged to help the homeless, but to realise that sometimes you can help yourself by helping others
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Tangerineas I said in my post it's not a moral obligation, if you feel like your not helping, don't help. I helped, but helped to help myself, not through moral obligation. Just try and help without being judgemental, you don't know what most of them have been through and recognise that most won't have had the benefits life has offered you up to this point. If your going to see them as being entitled, go help someone else who you feel is more deserving of your time.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
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originally posted by: GiulXainx
originally posted by: Tangerine
At the job that I currently tied down and finally got hours for I am working with a bunch of teens and tweens. I am a tween myself for another 3 years so I can get into a job still.
Tweens are between 10 and 12 years old and you're a tween yourself for another three years? Your credibility has dropped into the minus category.