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The Ukranian government is the result of a US sonsored coup. Ukranians had their democratically elected government overthrown, now replaced with a group of mafia businessmen with leanings towrads some familiar groups we all know well. Is it any wonder some people will not recognise this foreign backed coup? That they prefer what they had voted for rather than more Ronald McDonald politics.

a reply to: HelenConway

EU led by the Germans .. the currency controlled from Germany .. to benefit German exports .. the rest of the EU collapsing in Germany's wake ... does this sound familiar ....?????

This is close to what happened prior to WW2

Actually, it's the opposite of what happened prior to WW2. Germany's economy was in a shambles, its currency was hyper-inflated and they were hopelessly in debt to the victor nations. Germany learned their lesson and have practiced sound economic policy ever since. It is not Germany's fault that Greeks do not pay their taxes, or that Spain had a real estate bubble fueled by risky loans. As for Britain being flooded by immigrants, people have been saying the same thing since Commonwealth citizens started arriving a century ago.

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The Ukranian government is the result of a US sonsored coup.

No, it was democratically elected after its corrupt former president defected to Russia.

Ukranians had their democratically elected government overthrown, now replaced with a group of mafia businessmen with leanings towrads some familiar groups we all know well.

Once again, there has been a constitutionally valid election. No-one in Ukraine is disputing the outcome. It is Russia that is being run by a bunch of thug oligarchs.

Is it any wonder some people will not recognise this foreign backed coup? That they prefer what they had voted for rather than more Ronald McDonald politics.

Where is the head of the officially recognized government in exile? There is none, because the Ukrainian government is both de jure and de facto. Some people simply refuse to accept it because they have allowed Russian propaganda to brainwash them.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The Ukranian government is the result of a US sonsored coup.

Ah back to the blame US game again I see, so have you found evidence of this because as of yet it hasn't been shown...and the billions sent over the decade is far from proof if that is what you think that money was for.

Ukranians had their democratically elected government overthrown, now replaced with a group of mafia businessmen with leanings towrads some familiar groups we all know well.

The one that had a president that was stealing from the country to pad his own wealth...

yanukovychleaks.org...

And in case you forgot the government that is in power now was elected by the people of Ukraine and the candidate the US backed didn't win so how is the US government behind who was elected by a democratic process?

Also you seem to be forgetting the fact that the then president was impeached by his own parliament which included his own party, but instead of proving his innocence he ran to Russia with the help of good ol Vlad.

www.bbc.com...

Innocent people do not run they stay and prove their innocence.

Is it any wonder some people will not recognise this foreign backed coup?

Is it a wonder that people can't see that Yanukovych was corrupt and a close ally of the other corrupt president Putin who pulled all of Yanukovych's strings. Also an impeachment is not a coup it is a what happens when you screw your country over by lying and stealing from them and get caught. Maybe you should learn the difference.

Total nonsense. This is regime change. Seen it all before. Too many times. Getting the jist of US foreign policy after a while. How can Ukraine have a democratically elected government removed by a coup, then have a new government installed and be called democratic? Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Democracy until it fits with US foreign policy, when it doesn't fit expect coup derived regime change.

a reply to: DJW001

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ufoorbhunter



Innocent people do not run they stay and prove their innocence.

Stay around for US agencies/military to get their hands on you? If I was leader of a previously democratic country where the US was coming to get me believe me I'd be on the first plane out of there quick as i could run. US has a fairly bad track record for doing a 'Saddam' on foreign leaders

Americans are wrong on Ukraine. Many people towed the line with US foreign policy since the end of the Cold War. Now they see the US is still fighting to crush Moscow.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

How can Ukraine have a democratically elected government removed by a coup, then have a new government installed and be called democratic?

Well when the president flees the country and runs away from a constitutional impeachment it isn't a coup. What's even funnier is the fact that Russia has even said they see the new Ukranian government as a legit elected government so it seems only a few think it isn't.

It's democratic because they had the choice in who they elected.



Or is the definition of a democratic election in your world different than the real world?

noun, plural democracies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

dictionary.reference.com...

So by definition the Ukranians had a democratic election.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ufoorbhunter



So by definition the Ukranians had a democratic election.

Democratic election when it suits US foreign policy. Regime change to others

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Stay around for US agencies/military to get their hands on you?

Except he is in Ukraine and the US doesn't have a say in what their parliament does, unless your saying the whole parliament was put there by the US...is that what your saying?

If I was leader of a previously democratic country where the US was coming to get me believe me I'd be on the first plane out of there quick as i could run.

Except the US was not coming to get him his own parliament was. But of course it's easier to blame the US than to see that he was a thief and corrupt and got caught.

Americans are wrong on Ukraine. Many people towed the line with US foreign policy since the end of the Cold War. Now they see the US is still fighting to crush Moscow.

So you know alot about Americans and what they think, yet your not an American and don't live in America but you know what Americans are thinking...how does that work again?

And if you want to get into what a country does that they shouldn't be one word for you...Falklands.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Democratic election when it suits US foreign policy. Regime change to others

And what is it with his own parliament was impeaching him do you not understand...and his own party was right there in the middle of his impeachment.

Again unless your saying the US government paid all of the Ukraine parliament to impeach him your argument has no holding power.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

What regime changed? Yanukovych fled the country when he was going to be impeached. As a result Ukraine needed to elect a new President. Nothing else changed. Everyone the people of Ukraine elected to Parliament remained. It should be noted that those same democratically elected people of Parliament are the same ones that initiated impeachment proceedings against Yanukovych.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

What regime changed?

But, but the US has done it before so they have to be responsible for this now in Ukraine...I know because they sent money to Ukraine for over a decade and that's the only proof one needs.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


And if you want to get into what a country does that they shouldn't be one word for you...Falklands.

Falklands? They are British. The locals are British and want to remain so. Unlike so many places the Americans have the bases, we plant them in places we belong. British places. What's the issue with this Falklands thing anyway? Those Spaniards illegally occupying South America?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

What regime changed? Yanukovych fled the country when he was going to be impeached. As a result Ukraine needed to elect a new President. Nothing else changed. Everyone the people of Ukraine elected to Parliament remained. It should be noted that those same democratically elected people of Parliament are the same ones that initiated impeachment proceedings against Yanukovych.

Come on here............. We've all seen John McGain and Vicky Neuland strutting their stuff in Kiev hanging out with Svoboda types. Lovely stuff, both there for the vacation, scenery and relaxation no doubt Put in American lingo Regime Change

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The candidate the US was backing didn't win. And once again Parliament didn't change. How is it a regime change when the democratically elected Parliament moves for impeachment and then the people democratically elect a new President when the President up for impeachment flees the country? The government was exactly the same with the exception of the President and the people chose the new President.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The candidate the US was backing didn't win. And once again Parliament didn't change. How is it a regime change when the democratically elected Parliament moves for impeachment and then the people democratically elect a new President when the President up for impeachment flees the country? The government was exactly the same with the exception of the President and the people chose the new President.

Any candidate who leans is a candidate useful to McGain and Neuland. Poroshenko bats for the same side. He edges towrds NATO, also EU. He took the reigns of a country turned over by a western backed coup which has the long term aim of basing US,er,NATO,er, whatever forces on its soil as has been seen in many countries surrounding Russia.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

What regime changed? Yanukovych fled the country when he was going to be impeached. As a result Ukraine needed to elect a new President. Nothing else changed. Everyone the people of Ukraine elected to Parliament remained. It should be noted that those same democratically elected people of Parliament are the same ones that initiated impeachment proceedings against Yanukovych.

He fled the country when he was going to be shot by violent protesters. The Gaddafi snuff film may have had some baring on his decision.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We've all seen John McGain and Vicky Neuland strutting their stuff in Kiev hanging out with Svoboda types.

Pics or it didn't happen.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

He fled the country when he was going to be shot by violent protesters. The Gaddafi snuff film may have had some baring on his decision.

He fled the country after ordering protesters to be violently shot. Since he has not formed a government in exile which has been recognized by Russia, it is an admission that he lost all legitimacy, and that the government in Kyiv is legal and constitutional.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MALBOSIA

He fled the country when he was going to be shot by violent protesters. The Gaddafi snuff film may have had some baring on his decision.

He fled the country after ordering protesters to be violently shot.

Pics or it didn't happen