These disturbing Christian ‘educational’ cartoons may shock you

I found him at www.tragedyandhope.com... That site was started up just after 911 and was a great source for information on the book Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley . It also went into the educational system and good discussions on how to retool our minds from the programming we had received . As far as I know he is still kicking but I haven't been following this past year . a reply to: ColeYounger

a reply to: peskyhumans

I fear what the discipline actually is...I was spanked beaten and let me tell you it didn't make me want to listen. i loved my parents they were southern baptist, but the way I was disciplined had no room for growing and learning.
as a child I couldn't grasp the concept of loving=beatings.to me it was the easy way out and I learned nothing from it.
Fundamentalist scare me it's like they are raising little brainwashed soldiers not children they don't allow for mistakes to me it's just creepy.never could understand organized religion even as a small child I always felt something was wrong with it. I'm not against loving God just not in the way these people teach it.
then again it's just my opinion...

originally posted by: Dr1Akula

It sure does...

And I thought Sunday school was bad, ACE takes it to another level.

These people don't want children. They want creepy little obedient robots.

I really believe religions and school systems are designed to keep people very busy and harmless to authorities. Its not about growing up and landing your dream job one day making gobs of money, living the big life. And some do that but only a small %.

I imagine only the elite are taught in such a way that makes sense, where unnecessary weight is not attached to the lesson. One should be taught exactly what they need to know to do the job. You can't learn too much obviously but the right things are not taught. Imagine how many wasted years could be taken away from the lesson.

originally posted by: Char-Lee
If you are going to look at the "shocking" way Christians try to bind the children to a path, maybe you need to include all the others vying for the kids. Governments,select groups, racial themes. At least these are chosen by the parents what else can be done, someone WILL manipulate a direction as we should until a child is grown and start to decide for themselves.

A few quick examples

In short, this video is a clear case of children indoctrination which attempts to normalize high tech surveillance and government data collection to young minds. Notice that, when Shutterbug sends out a picture, Special Agent Oso sees, from his high-tech facility, exactly where it originates from. Another mind numbing product courtesy of the Disney Corporation

vigilantcitizen.com...

Mrs. Iserbyt has also documented the gradual transformation of our once academically
successful education system into one devoted to training children to become compliant
human resources to be used by government and industry for their own purposes. This is how
fascist-socialist societies train their children to become servants of their government masters.
The successful implementation of this new philosophy of education will spell the end of the
American dream of individual freedom and opportunity.

www.deliberatedumbingdown.com...

A Gay Pride clap-along and musical show. In public school.

standupforthetruth.com...

COMICS AND CONFLICT: WAR AND PATRIOTICALLY THEMED COMICS

ecommons.luc.edu...

Thanks for posting these links...what a mess and let me say very happy my kids are no longer in school this is outrageous and sad for what's to come for our grandchildren/great grands.
I wish I had do overs because there are many things I would have done differently concerning my kids education

originally posted by: Voyager1
I really believe religions and school systems are designed to keep people very busy and harmless to authorities. Its not about growing up and landing your dream job one day making gobs of money, living the big life. And some do that but only a small %.

I imagine only the elite are taught in such a way that makes sense, where unnecessary weight is not attached to the lesson. One should be taught exactly what they need to know to do the job. You can't learn too much obviously but the right things are not taught. Imagine how many wasted years could be taken away from the lesson.

I have often thought how the apprentice system makes so much sense. Working under someone in an area of interest to the child having been evaluated to possible talents for a small wage to learn and become eventually a master at the subject.

Why can't all subjects work this way.

originally posted by: guitarplayer

What did you expect me to say that it means to be watch out God is going to get me?
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well you were the one accusing others of not knowing what it means. I thought maybe you had a different definition than the obvious. I guess we were both wrong.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: TruthLover557
Then they've suckered you into it. They deliberately use wording that has multiple meanings.

"obedience always makes us happy"
"it is easy to obey those who rule over me"

Why not specify "to my parents"? They're grooming kids to obey authority in general: parents, government, priesthood. How can kids develop properly without questioning?

How dare they groom kids to obey authority in general?!?! Such an outrage.

'Who is now going to feed me?'

Sigh~

a reply to: Logarock

The wording is why I am disturbed. It would be a great comic strip if the word were changed as I mentioned. Children should obey their father (in some cases that may not be true, but those are isolated events and social services deals with them), but that wording is just bad. Not all authority is good. Obeying it all unquestionably is a sure fire ticket to being oppressed.

The most disturbing thing is that with all of the info so easily available at our fingertips nowadays (internet where people can find unbiased information and real facts) that people STILL fall for religion!

All of our religions are purely man-made and based off of complete assinine fiction. If anyone truly researched their religion, they would no longer believe it.

But most religous people are only in it for their belief of a free pass to some mythical paradice afterlife existance. Should be funny when they find out it was complete nonsense and that a mythical man-god didnt pay for their sins that they committed all while believing that a simple prayer to a fictional man-god would make them squeaky clean and deserving of paradice for eternity...

So completely ridiculous.

Don’t vampires have to believe in christianity before the crosses even work? What if you came across one that was Jewish?

I don't personally agree with the viewpoint presented by ACE but I do think
that this kind of education has been going on for a long time. Maybe since the
Middle Ages. Maybe it is responsible for the Dark Ages.

The thing is not if you believe the material. I wouldn't expect people in a
forum like this to accept very much of it. The question is; "What effect does
this have upon the students?" How do they turn out?

Whenever a group of children are exposed to an outrageous curriculum like
this, a certain percentage are simply going to buy into it lock, stock, and
barrel. That's just a fact.

When I think about the people I know that went to religious schools, they tend
to fall into more extreme categories than public school educated kids. Either
they are saints or criminals. Not all of them are extreme but more so than in
public schools. Many of them realize they are being taught bull# and reject
everything. Some know it is crap but learn to play the game. Others believe.
They probably try to become some type of authority themselves. I don't
know.

I always hung with the 'hoods.' I spent a lot of wasted time trying to sort out
all of the bull. Developed an attitude problem also.

I like to think education has improved all over but probably it hasn't.
This program, I think, is a step in the wrong direction.

check out the man's expression as he says you reap what you sow, that's one cold motherf@#ker

a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

Actually the guy didn't say it, but he was thinking it.

Note thought bubbles.

Only God would blurt something like that out.

Is he really that cold looking?

What if instead he had been thinking "Oh my goodness how can we organize a fundraiser"?

I don't think his face would be out of place.

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a reply to: Klassified

Thanks for reminding me that I need to get on my Chick Tract riffing. I still need to to The Sissy?, Titanic, and the Fool.

I can also do requests as well!

Wow, this thread really hits home and let me tell you why.

I went to a private Christian School that taught using these exact same PACE's (we called them PACES). I remember these characters, and the curriculum that they taught. I think I have a good perspective here.

My three sisters and I did all of elementary school in the public education system. In the 6th grade, we were all sent to this Christian private School. From 6th to 10th grade, I was educated in this manner.

From the very beginning it was very strange to me to go to this school. I went from having a lot of interaction with my peers, to none. The desks were set against the wall, they were normal sized desks, but they were separated from the next desk by a wooden wall between each desk. We were not allowed to talk, except to teachers, only with permission, and each other at recess. We had two flags in a stand on a shelf that we could reach, above our desks. If we wanted the minders attention, we needed to select the proper flag, and turn it so that they could see and come to us. They were marginal teachers, and since we did most of our own teaching, I call them minders, they basically enforced the rules, and helped us out with what they could if we needed it. One of the flags was the American flag, you moved that flag if you needed permission to go to the bathroom, or to correct you work. The Christian flag (a white field, with a square of blue in the top corner, and a red cross in the blue) was used if you needed to test I believe. We called moving the flags “Raising the Flag”.

We were required to conform to the dress code, no shorts for the boys, skirts below the knees or pants for the girls. The blue shirt with the schools initials on the breast.

The school as a whole had to memorize a book of the bible over the course of the year, to be recited in front of friends and families during graduation for the year. Memorizing the proper amount of verses of the chosen book was one of the requirements for Honor Roll.

You set your own goals everyday, but there was a minimum requirement of daily work.. You were encouraged to do above the minimum standard that had to be done, and if you failed in this you got homework, and eventually detention.

There were many subjects, each subject had its own PACE booklet. Science, Math, Word Building (spelling) Etymology, Social Studies, Old Testament, New Testament, Etc. Each PACE booklet was somewhere around 30-50 pages if my memory serves. Doing the PACES required you to read a section of text, and then answer some questions. Afterwards you would raise your flag and score your own work, with the keys that were provided. You marked the wrong answers, and corrected them, then had to have the correction checked off by the minder. There was a self-test at the end of the PACE, which was open book. You had to pass the self-test before you could do the PACE test. When you passed the PACE test you would advance to the next PACE book in sequential order, in that subject. Passing a certain number of PACES in each week was required in concert with the bible verses in order to get Honor Roll. If you got Honor Roll all the weeks of the month, you got a day extra off from school.

My first year at the school I got Honor roll all year long, I did great. My parents were happy, school was happy, I was happy to be doing well.

I'm not sure what happened in seventh grade, but about halfway through the year, I started to notice the cartoons in the PACES, and just how strange they were. Something didn't sit right with me. I started to notice the absurd creationism (I'm pretty sure in one of the Geology PACES I remember reading the world is 6,000 years old or something) and other things. I started to do less and less school work. Getting detentions at school, and in trouble at home. I basically stalled in my education, in a few subjects I did really well, but for the most part I would sit in my cubicle and read the Encyclopedia. I struggled through the next few years doing worse and worse, just the bare minimum to “graduate” to the next grade.

In tenth grade one of my sisters and I moved to the public high school. We had some issues with the school, and my parents didn't know what to do because we weren't doing well. So they let us go to the high school.

I did really well my Junior year, the high school was amazingly easy compared to the work I had been doing at the private school. The things the High School were teaching 11th graders, I had done in 7th grade. I sailed through it.

In my senior year, I discovered the “credits” that I had earned at the private school, did not transfer to the public school. I didn't want to be a super super senior so I dropped out. I got my G.E.D. Three weeks later, and scored very high.

Today I have a wife, and two children. I am not a racist or a man that beats his wife as one comment suggested. In retrospect it was a very strange time of my life. It took me years to break a lot of the conditioning. I struggled spiritually for years, to this day, I still question, but hopefully that's a good thing. I used to be terrified of going to hell, I was terrified of “god”. I had low self esteem, and no confidence whatsoever.

Overall aside from all the dispersed absurdity in the PACES there was some truth, and a pretty decent education. It wasn't all bad, but it was strange to say the least. I learned to respect people, to love my fellow man, to be a good person, help those worse off than myself if I can. They were excellent teachers of morals, and I am still friends with some of these people I went to school with to this day.

I'm no longer go to church, except with my parents and family on occasion. I am spiritual. I'm moderate politically, I live the philosophy of “Mind your business”. My family and I are very close.

Maybe I “got out” at the right time. I think the encyclopedia reading is really what broke my conditioning, when I realized there was a whole other world out there. My eyes had been opened, so to say.

I could go into more detail, but If you're still reading this I'll be shocked.

I'd be willing to answer any questions, about my time there or whatever if anyone is interested.

You fools and your fear of religious brainwashing. You have become so ignorant you dont realize your own society, your own pop culture brainwashes the masses everyday. Turn on the tv and that is what you will find. Its in your conversations and in your entertainment. Its in your government and your education. Its in your own standards, your moral code. Every single day. Believe me, four sundays out of the month of 'religious brainwashing' is the least of your concerns.

a reply to: HAZE3

Your comment is nothing short of superb!

How in the world is teaching obedience and respect and learning about Jesus Christ shocking..Good Greif some of you people attacks on the bible and christianity is so blantant and stupid it is a laughable joke and embarrassing.

The shocking truth the U.S. morals and family values are declining badly.The debt in the U.S. is far more dangerous and shocking.


You will learn the greatest wisdom in the world from the bible.

The first cartoon is taken directly from the Gospel. It reflects mainstream Christian thought.