Sick Liberal Sex Education with Taxpayer Money!

originally posted by: OrphanApology
a reply to: tavi45

Actually dry humping at six would be a strong indication of sexual abuse within that age group. While it's common for kids to do various things like touching etc, something like humping would be an indication of being exposed to particular sexual acts at an early age.

So both kids from both families were sexually abused?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

First and foremost, it is my job to teach my child about sex. Not any government agency. Just as religion. I fail to see how wearing very extra large pj's to fit two people has anything to do with education.

a reply to: EvilBat

I agree but from a philosophical pov though both parties are complicit, one "party" was where this ideology originated from. So even if both allowed it, if one didn't exist these policies wouldn't have created the conditions for it to exist.

And even if it's not used in a political manner, this is an example of liberal sex education. I guess conservative sex education, ignoring all the jokes of course, would be the basics or left up to the parents entirely.

Not a fabrication, technically correct. But I still think 2 party nonsense is just that, nonsense.

a reply to: infolurker

Do you, the reader, get the impression someone is trying to lower the age of sexual consent by reducing the age of sexual awareness in kids?

Might the idea be to decrease the age of sexual awareness and then claim that kids are becoming sexually aware an active at a younger age so therefore the age of sexual consent should be lowered commensurate with the new lower age of awareness.?

originally posted by: learnatic
a reply to: infolurker
Do you, the reader, get the impression someone is trying to lower the age of sexual consent by reducing the age of sexual awareness in kids?
Might the idea be to decrease the age of sexual awareness and then claim that kids are becoming sexually aware an active at a younger age so therefore the age of sexual consent should be lowered commensurate with the new lower age of awareness.?

Hmmnn ..... Well said

I think you may have something there, looks like some people may have an agenda

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Intrepid, what would be a better method?

Well intimate, physical contact is NOT what I would recommend for adolescents. Like I said.... that's foreplay. Can't you see it? "It's OK baby. This is how they taught us how to do it. Relax." Their hormones are raging enough as it is without throwing more confusion into the mix.

If they DON'T teach these alternative methods, the kids are going to go right to intercourse and teen pregnancy. They will make up their own foreplay or skip it altogether.

I can see kids using these methods and reaching their "goal" without ever experiencing penetration. "Remember, baby, we don't want to make a baby. Let's try that rubbing thing... until we're older and ready for the stuff that intercourse might bring".

Do you think they're going to just forgo sex altogether with these raging hormones? I don't think so. That's why we have the teen pregnancy rates we do. This gives them alternatives. You still didn't suggest a method you think would be better...

originally posted by: Grovit
im all for teaching younger people to enjoy each other without having sex but not at 11 years old and not using these methods.

I don't know if the kids are split up and some things are taught to the younger ones and other things taught to the older ones. I'd have to know more about the program before I gave it my personal blessing.

btw, bh....how do you enjoy sex without intercourse?

When I met my now husband, we made a pact not to have intercourse for a certain amount of time, even though we were both in our 30s (something I read in one of those women empowerment books) and we found lots of ways to have fun and be satisfied without penetration. We slept together and snuggled and had a pretty good time. "Sex" doesn't necessarily mean penetration of anything. There are many things people can do that are satisfying, and sometimes even more satisfying than intercourse.

what kind of sex is 2 people stuffed inside pajamas? what kind of sex is shaving each other?

For a 16-year-old? It's intimacy. Visual, imagination, masturbation... It IS foreplay, but foreplay can be very satisfying. Like you said, it's an awesome time and if kids find ways to satisfy their urges without intercourse, the goal is met. The goal being sexual satisfaction with no pregnancy or STDs.

originally posted by: OrphanApology
a reply to: tavi45

Actually dry humping at six would be a strong indication of sexual abuse within that age group.

That is not true. Google "sexuality in children humping"

Research on Child and Adolescent Sexuality

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic


The thing about intimacy and foreplay ..... is reaching the *point of no return*

and without the lesson of *self discipline*, probably not yet learned we

get *RAPE*

originally posted by: tavi45
So both kids from both families were sexually abused?

That was my thought. Interestingly, I WAS sexually abused as a child and never played Dr or anything with my little friends...

originally posted by: mugger
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

First and foremost, it is my job to teach my child about sex.

I totally agree. And if more parents took on that responsibility, there wouldn't be a need for this kind of program. If my child went into this program, they'd already know a lot. Most parents stick their heads in the sand, however, and pretend that their kids are somehow going to miraculously abstain from answering their raging hormones without any input from anyone.

I am asking for alternative methods to this program. Is the head in the sand the only other approach? If so, that's what we've got now and that's why so many teens are pregnant.

The rate of teen pregnancy in the US is TWICE that of Canada and EIGHT TIMES that of Japan.

820,000 teens become pregnant every year.
34 percent of teenagers have at least one pregnancy before they turn 20.
80 percent of teenage pregnancies are unintended.
The main rise in the teen pregnancy rate is among girls younger than 15
80 percent of unmarried teen mothers end up on welfare
The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate of the Western industrialized world.
Greater teen pregnancy rates translate into higher abortion in the United States

Teen Pregnancy Statistics

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
The thing about intimacy and foreplay ..... is reaching the *point of no return*

I don't know how to be more clear. People climax during foreplay. What point of no return? If they climax, they're done.

Rape is a crime of power, not sexual desire.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

Rape is a crime of power, not sexual desire.

And what's not powerful about one person forcing their will over another

person who doesn't want to submit?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic


If they DON'T teach these alternative methods, the kids are going to go right to intercourse and teen pregnancy. They will make up their own foreplay or skip it altogether.

I can see kids using these methods and reaching their "goal" without ever experiencing penetration. "Remember, baby, we don't want to make a baby. Let's try that rubbing thing... until we're older and ready for the stuff that intercourse might bring".
i really dont think so....teens have been having sex since the beginning of time...i know there are responsible kids out there that think along these lines but im sure there are an equal amount that dont


Do you think they're going to just forgo sex altogether with these raging hormones? I don't think so. That's why we have the teen pregnancy rates we do. This gives them alternatives. You still didn't suggest a method you think would be better...
i dont think they are going to forgo sex all together...i didnt think i had to suggest alternatives to this...i was talking about how i didnt agree with their methods....im sure i could come up with some alternatives that does not involving shaving each other and things like that..




I don't know if the kids are split up and some things are taught to the younger ones and other things taught to the older ones. I'd have to know more about the program before I gave it my personal blessing.
the article kids as young as 11 were there......would you want your 11 year old in the tub with another kid their age shaving each other?? 13?? 15??


When I met my now husband, we made a pact not to have intercourse for a certain amount of time, even though we were both in our 30s (something I read in one of those women empowerment books) and we found lots of ways to have fun and be satisfied without penetration
my wife and i did it similar...we enjoyed each other mucho....still though, thats not sex...that was my point


"Sex" doesn't necessarily mean penetration of anything.
actually, yeah, thats what sex is.....then of course oral sex...we all know what that is and to be technical, there is penetration with that too


There are many things people can do that are satisfying, and sometimes even more satisfying than intercourse.
agree 100%...all sorts of fun, sensual, erotic, etc things.....still though, theyre not sex


For a 16-year-old? It's intimacy.
agreed. intamacy, not sex


Visual, imagination, masturbation... It IS foreplay, but foreplay can be very satisfying. Like you said, it's an awesome time and if kids find ways to satisfy their urges without intercourse, the goal is met. The goal being sexual satisfaction with no pregnancy or STDs.

i know i seem like i am picking apart your words....you said ways to enjoy sex without penetration...
not possible...you can be intimate and sensual...enjoy each others bodies...explore....

its not sex though.

i do agree though that the goal is to satisfy urges without penetration and the aftermath of that.

i just dont think kids that young need to be introduced to shaving each other...

that is very much foreplay and imo will lead right up to the actual penetration.

do we really think that teens with the hormones and such are going to be satisfied with just shaving each other?
i tend to think not...

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic


I don't know how to be more clear. People climax during foreplay. What point of no return? If they climax, they're done.

really, theyre done.
cause people cant climax again right?

originally posted by: eletheia
And what's not powerful about one person forcing their will over another

person who doesn't want to submit?

My point is that young kids who are sexually satisfied are not going to force themselves on each other. Jeez!

originally posted by: Grovit
i know i seem like i am picking apart your words....you said ways to enjoy sex without penetration...
not possible...you can be intimate and sensual...enjoy each others bodies...explore....

its not sex though.

Who are you? Bill Clinton? LOL! (Sorry, just messing with you.) Call it whatever you want. Sexual activity, intimacy, sexual contact...

Meeriam Webster defines sex as:

physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse

i just dont think kids that young need to be introduced to shaving each other...

It's just one of the options. I wouldn't enjoy it. But it could lead to masturbation or one of the other more satisfying options.

do we really think that teens with the hormones and such are going to be satisfied with just shaving each other?
i tend to think not...

No. There would have to be sexual satisfaction of some sort, the shaving would just be fun and educational (for some) maybe.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

Who are you? Bill Clinton? LOL! (Sorry, just messing with you.) Call it whatever you want. Sexual activity, intimacy, sexual contact...
fair enough.....depends on what your definition of is is


It's just one of the options. I wouldn't enjoy it. But it could lead to masturbation or one of the other more satisfying options.
i think it is a very enjoyable experience....youre right, it could lead to other options.....it could also lead to the sexuals....


No. There would have to be sexual satisfaction of some sort, the shaving would just be fun and educational (for some) maybe.

just seems to me that most of the things this article mentioned are more a lead up to, not an instead of

nvm

originally posted by: Grovit
just seems to me that most of the things this article mentioned are more a lead up to, not an instead of

The idea is that they be used as alternatives to sex, to prevent teen pregnancy and STDs...

From the article:

The conference gives tips on masturbation, using internet porn and quirky alternatives to sex.
...
The pamphlets handed out at the conference suggest other ways students can engage in intimate activities without having intercourse, including bathing together, shaving each other, wearing each other’s underwear, role playing, buying an extra-large pair of pajama bottoms to sleep in together, lap dances and strip teases.

I do hope they also stress the risks of having sex, and encourage the use of alternatives. As I said, I would have to know more details about the program before I agreed with it. I would hope the "kissing with pop rocks" would be geared to the younger students and the other alternatives would be geared toward the high-schoolers.

I thought I'd try and find out about conservative sex education

Perhaps paradoxically, states with a majority conservative population and higher degree of religiosity tend to have higher teen birthrates. The findings suggest that the social structure of the state, such as the degree of conservatism, can undermine the effect of the sex curricula.

www.livescience.com...
Surprising.

This lack of comprehensive sex ed often allows a homophobic environment in schools to flourish. Mental Health America reported that teen students hear anti-gay slurs, such as “homo,” “sissy,” and “faggot” about 26 times a day on average, or once every 14 minutes. Boys as young as nine are being called fags, as author C.J. Pacscoe accounts. A different study done in 2001 showed that 31% of gay youth had been threatened or injured at school in that year alone. This kind of harassment and bullying is certainly exacerbated by the lack of comprehensive sexual education in schools, which might otherwise help affirm the experiences of students of all genders and orientations, and foster an atmosphere of questioning and acceptance rather than silencing, shame, and stigma.

www.politicalresearch.org...

I guess it's all about what your trying to achieve with your sex ed classes. Reduce teenage pregnancy or encourage a sense of intolerance and good ole homophobia

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

i know the intention was to give alternatives to sex..i read it

this is the real world though...you get 2 teens that are attracted to each other to start shaving each other and what not, its going to lead to sex

originally posted by: Grovit
this is the real world though...you get 2 teens that are attracted to each other to start shaving each other and what not, its going to lead to sex

And if you take no action at all and don't even TRY to give them alternatives? It's still going to lead to sex. That's pretty well proven by the statistics.