Meet Ben Carson: First Republican to Throw His Hat in 2016 Ring

all the opposition would have to do is point out the teachings of the religion he's in, and instantly, every democrat, catholic, muslim, buddhist, atheist, mormon and half the protestants, would be like: screw that.

he's got no chance, unless the big wigs want him in.

p.s. don't get me wrong, i like him. he's smart, personable, soft spoken, well organized, has some good ideas (10% flat tax for everyone who earns a taxable income, sounds really good). what's his stance on the trade deficit and nafta and immigration? not sure i like his position on women's issues (well i don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

like what if the woman was raped? should she be forced to give birth to the baby? the death of the baby should be on the head of the guy who raped her. problem is, proving she was actually raped, is a huge huge HUGE and difficult topic , fraught with some of the worst corruption in the courtroom that most are completely unaware of. so really, no matter who caused the abortion, the issue should be the purview of the woman, because if it's her choice to have unprotected / not protected enough sex, then that baby's death will be between her and her maker, not her and the guy down the street. but if it's because she was raped, that's between the rapist and god, not the guy down the street.

the laws he wants to put in place that venture into areas like abortion, were only applicable on a social level, when the people were ALL called to be priests and holy. we don't live in a society that is ALL called to be priests and holy. we live in a melting pot, where enacting such laws would be the equivalent of disobeying christ's reference to dusting off your feet and moving on, as you can't legitimately force people to be anything they don't want to be and trying to do so, regardless of whether you want them to be religious or atheist or agnostic, is not up to you -- it's up to the individual. he needs to buttinsky out of that topic.

I hate to be negative here because I know a lot of the more conservative people like Dr. Carson but the frontrunner candidates never win because they peak too early, people don't have the attention spans to pay attention to someone for 2 years. All him announcing now means is that he will not be president.

Because this is a conspiracy site I want to introduce another angle to this for people to consider. A 40 minute commercial is not cheap and likely involves the money of business interests... anyone in politics knows that if they come out now they're not going to win. So why is he doing this? It's because he can build support while unopposed, and then later on as new candidates show up he can sell his support to one of those campaigns.

Essentially what this looks like to me is that big money is building a brand that they can later sell to another candidate to help out their image. This is a negative all around. Best case scenario is that Carson is just doing this to make himself some money.

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

a reply to: Gryphon66

"Right, Carson is the ONLY politician with character, ethics and values, yet, he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand up for his convictions that marriage equality is equivalent to bestiality? "

He DID NOT say that! Go back and READ what he said and stop putting words in his mouth! His exact words were:

"“Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn’t matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition.”

He said that no one in any of those groups can change the meaning of marriage. He is in NO WAY equating marriage equality to bestiality. If you are so stupid you can't see that he never said they were equal but say that even if someone is into bestiality, that person (or group) cannot change the definition of marriage. And I agree with him. I don't give a damn if someone is gay, what they do or who they do it with in their bedroom, and they can believe whatever they want, but as much as they try and say marriage is between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, THAT is a load of crap. I don't care if the laws change and say it is, the laws of man don't define marriage. So, if you want to believe you are married to a man, you go right ahead. The state might agree with you, everybody you know might agree with you but in God's eyes MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. And if you hate God, that's also your prerogative, but a lot of us believe in God and His Word and we don't think you are married. A civil union, maybe, but not married. And if that offends you, too dang bad.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

did you read the rest of my post?

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

did you read the rest of my post?

Just wanted to make that statement by itself first.

Not meant to be anything against you.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: Kali74
I don't think there will be much dirt to find on this guy, that said... he has no chance of winning. He's another Conservative set on throwing us back to the 50's. Entirely unelectable on the national stage.

I have to agree. Nice guy, has the right values, zero government experience. Excellent Surgeon General or HHS Secretary appointee, though.

Are you kidding, it is career politicians that have almost killed the US.

A citizen President is exactly what we need now! He can/and most likely would gather lots of advisers who know the ins and outs of navigating the slim that is dealing with the roach politicians.

Heck, most of you, in both parties have complained that professional politicians have been the problem
So let's get rid of professional politicians.
And return to what the founders of the US envisioned, a government run by the citizens.

I'd love to see all politicians limited in the US to two terms, with no pension, but a 401K

so...eliminate all the professional politicians, but make sure all the professional lobbyists remain, and all the corporate and wealthy donations keep rolling in...just what the founders envisioned...they also envisioned women not voting, black and white slaves not voting

You are taking a leap where I did not go. If you want to follow my entire logic, go here, page 2
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I still think citizen politicians are the best bet, when you take the other things I think should happen also into consideration. A citizen President is a great start.

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: Kali74
I don't think there will be much dirt to find on this guy, that said... he has no chance of winning. He's another Conservative set on throwing us back to the 50's. Entirely unelectable on the national stage.

I have to agree. Nice guy, has the right values, zero government experience. Excellent Surgeon General or HHS Secretary appointee, though.

Are you kidding, it is career politicians that have almost killed the US.

A citizen President is exactly what we need now! He can/and most likely would gather lots of advisers who know the ins and outs of navigating the slim that is dealing with the roach politicians.

Heck, most of you, in both parties have complained that professional politicians have been the problem
So let's get rid of professional politicians.
And return to what the founders of the US envisioned, a government run by the citizens.

I'd love to see all politicians limited in the US to two terms, with no pension, but a 401K

I didn't say "career politician", I said "zero experience". Do you like Ron Paul? Trey Gowdy? They are career politicians, more or less. They know their way around Congress' intracacies and inner workings and how to get things done.

By the way, we already have term limits, and you just saw a bunch of democrats get their terms limited. They are called "elections". I do not understand why people keep screaming about "term limits". It is retarded. Would you want ro get rid of a Ron Paul? He'd have to leave, too. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I am not wedded to any one politician. Even Ron Paul.

I actually laid out my ideology in full
www.abovetopsecret.com... end of page 2
if you care.

There are no social issues for me that trump economic issues and constitutional issues.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

did you read the rest of my post?

Just wanted to make that statement by itself first.

Not meant to be anything against you.

why? you should've agreed with me, but instead, you came out swinging. i can believe whatever in the hell i want about abortion and so can you. the difference we are discussing here is whether a christian man has the religious mandate to outlaw it based on his religious tenets (which presumably is the new testament) and from what i can tell, because it's such an iffy issue, it really needs to be the woman's decision until that baby has all its parts (like nerve endings, brain, and so forth).

he also should stay out of the gay issue because, technically speaking, it's not his place to dictate people's decisions where it comes to sex. it's his position, as a christian man, to minister the gospel but not force the gospel by law. he should know that. he does know that, in his heart of hearts.

a reply to: hotintexas

"You mad bro?

(Actual sex, irrelevant)

Dr. Carson is accounted to be a brilliant neurosurgeon in spite of his apparent adherence to barbaric superstitious nonsense.

He was well-aware, when he structured that sentence, what message he was sending to his target audience at Fox News.

He was therefore very familiar with the fact that standard Republican rhetoric is no stranger at all to the context of comparing marriage equality to pedophila and bestiality. He used trigger words for a reason. If your opinion differs, well, hey, aren't we glad we live in a place where we all get to have opinions ... at least for now.

I put no words in Dr. Carson's mouth. Actually I QUOTED what he said and I QUOTED what his colleague at Johns Hopkins said in return and I QUOTED his half-baked "apology" for any misunderstanding or embarrassment he may have caused with his admittedly poor choice of words.

As to the rest of your ... post ... at a simple humanistic level I'm sorry that your beliefs have created such bitterness in you.

By the way, I'm marrying my male partner of seven years next spring. We're planning an absolutely fabulous wedding where we'll be surrounded by all of friends and loved ones attending our marriage ceremony where we will have a wedding cake with two grooms on top. We look forward to many years of married bliss, in our marriage to each other, both being men and all, you know, married to each other.

a reply to: hotintexas

Really? There's an implied equivalency between a list of examples. Secondly, nobody else cares what you and the rest of the Christian-Taliban in Texas believe about who is and who is not married. Marriage is not a Christian invention nor is it even a strictly religious convention.

a reply to: AgentShillington

Has anyone in recent memory announced 2 years in advance and then went on to even get their party nomination? I wonder if the party is throwing this guy under the bus to make a more moderate candidate seem more palatable.

Or they're stalling for time

I have to admit - this is my very most favorite part of the whole who will be my president game

2 years to pick someone without an iffy history, that's palatable - that's competent and can speak. That's a whole lot of things that don't necessarily show up in one person

Nothing but fun from here on out

:-)

Edit to add: inspiring is too much to hope for

The Democrat Party will beat him up mercilously, just like they have every other conservative, like Herman Cain and Allen West, especially when he starts pulling people to the other side with his level-headed common sense. I like him, and so do a lot of other conservatives.

The Constitution should come before the Bible for an elected official. I'm pretty positive that Dr. Carson puts the Bible first.

originally posted by: thesaneone
Most on the left don't like him for the simple fact that Dr.Carson is against recreational marijuana use.

Ah... Nothing like a big government, freedom-limiting ultra liberal claiming to be a conservative. LOL... These people crack me up!

Freedom! Liberty! Personal Choice!
Don't smoke that!
Don't be gay!
Don't have different beliefs than mine!

a reply to: dogstar23

Wait a minute. You can certainly make a case that Dr. Carson's politics are not truly conservative (as you point out, he supports plenty of 'government interference' as long as it backs up his religious beliefs) but you cannot make any case for him being "a liberal."

Despite the fact that he proved himself to be a "brilliant neurosurgeon" he is anti-science/pro-superstition. He does not support civil rights and equality.

Words mean things.

Also general comment, even though I don't agree with Dr. Carson's politics, to compare him to the likes of Allen West or Herman Cain, is frankly insulting to the man. Common skin pigmentation does not mean they're all alike.

Well, for most of us, anyway.

originally posted by: Kali74
The Constitution should come before the Bible for an elected official. I'm pretty positive that Dr. Carson puts the Bible first.

I think this a fundamental misunderstanding of religious people. Religious people do put God(not necessarily a book) before a man-made institution of government, especially one which is in runaway tyranny mode. If you believe it is not the will of the people that our government should engage in things we(the left included) think are abhorrent, such as all the wars for profit, etc. , then would we make that government our god?
As for Dr. Carson I am just about 100% sure he has a much greater respect for the Constitution than certain other individuals in positions of high authority whom I will not name but we all know are there.
It is ludicrous for the Left to even suggest that an adherence to the bible would cause a person to be less Constitutional when we can see how the current crop of officials are now treating it, who are leading us in a godless secular society(and yet who adhere to the god of materialism).
To insinuate that godless seculars somehow are putting the Constitution first before their own lust for profit, control, and power, is at best ludicrous.
Anyway, time to take it on an individual case by case basis, as our current govt likes to say....
A Marxist lawyer vs a godly doctor....
take your pick

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: thesaneone
Most on the left don't like him for the simple fact that Dr.Carson is against recreational marijuana use.

Ah... Nothing like a big government, freedom-limiting ultra liberal claiming to be a conservative. LOL... These people crack me up!

Freedom! Liberty! Personal Choice!
Don't smoke that!
Don't be gay!
Don't have different beliefs than mine!

The right and the left combined can make for a pretty heady super State which controls all our freedoms in various ways. . The liberal left doesn't exactly have a good record for respecting privacy and liberty, even though they pretend to. While the HITECH law appears to protect against breach of privacy, it really just fines people a lot of money and creates a lot more bureaucracy. Network admins who manage the database and network for a health related company have to be really careful. I was at a presentation where this was being discussed and the feeling was that it was going to create an atmosphere where network admins won't want to work for health related orgs where this is crucial. A business can be fined up to a million dollars and auditors can get a cut if they turn somebody in. So this is how some of the STIMULUS money was spent. Also there is a point of the electronic medical records and how that will tie in to the rest of the Big Brother surveillance society. There's the draconian Orwellian data tracking of our schoolchildren for their whole lives not just while they are in school. You've heard of that big data warehouse in Utah right? Ok, then there's the TSA groping, which to me has certain pornographic elements to it, in addition to the pictures which can be stored from those machines. Did the left stop or start that? Ok, how about Cash for Clunkers where it was noted that if you click the button you give the government the rights to everything on your hard drive.....now how about the whole school lunch food police nonsense, courtesy of the First Lady?
These are all examples of how the current admin is facilitating the expansion of the Police State and you are complaining about something you smoke being regulated, when the Left has been regulating business right out of the country and out of business....Obamacare is telling business they have to provide insurance on anything over 30 hours.... so now what....isn't that Big Brother telling us what to do??????
By the way, if pot is legalized, Big Brother will regulate it. Courtesy George Soros who funds the legalization push.