Meet Ben Carson: First Republican to Throw His Hat in 2016 Ring

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: thesaneone
Most on the left don't like him for the simple fact that Dr.Carson is against recreational marijuana use.

Ah... Nothing like a big government, freedom-limiting ultra liberal claiming to be a conservative. LOL... These people crack me up!

Freedom! Liberty! Personal Choice!
Don't smoke that!
Don't be gay!
Don't have different beliefs than mine!

The right and the left combined can make for a pretty heady super State which controls all our freedoms in various ways. . The liberal left doesn't exactly have a good record for respecting privacy and liberty, even though they pretend to. While the HITECH law appears to protect against breach of privacy, it really just fines people a lot of money and creates a lot more bureaucracy. Network admins who manage the database and network for a health related company have to be really careful. I was at a presentation where this was being discussed and the feeling was that it was going to create an atmosphere where network admins won't want to work for health related orgs where this is crucial. A business can be fined up to a million dollars and auditors can get a cut if they turn somebody in. So this is how some of the STIMULUS money was spent. Also there is a point of the electronic medical records and how that will tie in to the rest of the Big Brother surveillance society. There's the draconian Orwellian data tracking of our schoolchildren for their whole lives not just while they are in school. You've heard of that big data warehouse in Utah right? Ok, then there's the TSA groping, which to me has certain pornographic elements to it, in addition to the pictures which can be stored from those machines. Did the left stop or start that? Ok, how about Cash for Clunkers where it was noted that if you click the button you give the government the rights to everything on your hard drive.....now how about the whole school lunch food police nonsense, courtesy of the First Lady?
These are all examples of how the current admin is facilitating the expansion of the Police State and you are complaining about something you smoke being regulated, when the Left has been regulating business right out of the country and out of business....Obamacare is telling business they have to provide insurance on anything over 30 hours.... so now what....isn't that Big Brother telling us what to do??????
By the way, if pot is legalized, Big Brother will regulate it. Courtesy George Soros who funds the legalization push.

For reference on HITECH www.issala.org...
And please note that the keynote speaker on that summit was the head of the current admin's cybersecurity team.

a reply to: undo

point out the teachings of the religion he's in, and instantly, every democrat, catholic

ummm are you saying Catholics aren't Christian? Perhaps you do not understand that all Christian variations are a subset of the Roman Catholic Church, they just departed on some technicality of theology, but it's all essentially Christian. How does the Democratic Left get away with so much Christian bashing when much of the President's loyal base is Baptist or some other variant of Christian?

the laws he wants to put in place that venture into areas like abortion, were only applicable on a social level, when the people were ALL called to be priests and holy. we don't live in a society that is ALL called to be priests and holy.

And just who were you to make this determination? What laws did he say he wants to put into place? You are saying that only in some past ancient civilization does life in the womb matter because now we believe that spotted owls and delta smelts are more important than humans and a woman's right means she has zero responsibility for the life in her own womb? If you even understood the early pagan religions and those which worshiped the earth mother, you would realize the folly of what you just said.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

Annie why do proponents of the Nanny state not defend the right of an unborn child when they are advocating the rights of dogs, rats, spotted owls, and every other species till Sunday? There is something myopic about thinking that the life in the womb is not sacred while defending smelts in a waterway.
And just for fun www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

Annie why do proponents of the Nanny state not defend the right of an unborn child when they are advocating the rights of dogs, rats, spotted owls, and every other species till Sunday? There is something myopic about thinking that the life in the womb is not sacred while defending smelts in a waterway.
And just for fun www.youtube.com...

Because those proponents believe they have the authority to dictate whose rights trumps others. Usually it seems as though the minority rules because of pc rhetoric. When coming down to abortion there is no minority. The right of the child to live is somehow trounced by the mothers right of choice.

These victims have no voice. These victims can't vote. They're worthless in their eyes...statistics. Sick IMO.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Oh dear.

a reply to: grandmakdw

There are no social issues for me that trump economic issues and constitutional issues.

I totally agree with you here. But notice who is making issues out of it already... it's not even conservatives. Because the left has been making it the narrative knowing they are baiting the right into making a statement of their beliefs.
Right now our economy is suffering greatly, everyone I know is having a hard time making ends meet because the cost of living has gone up so much, the government has been overspending getting all their social welfare programs in place, and goodness knows what else they are spending money on.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: undo
Ii don't agree with abortion but its a difficult issue that needs more forethought.

NO, It is not a difficult issue.

Right of Choice. You take care of your body, I will take care of mine. Simple.

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists like Carson think it is their business. It is not.

Annie why do proponents of the Nanny state not defend the right of an unborn child when they are advocating the rights of dogs, rats, spotted owls, and every other species till Sunday? There is something myopic about thinking that the life in the womb is not sacred while defending smelts in a waterway.
And just for fun www.youtube.com...

This is not an abortion debate thread. There are plenty of those -- take it there.

As another poster stated: Carson puts his God belief first, before his politics.

My Right of Choice is not the business of someone else's God belief. Not Carson's. Not yours.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Whatever Kali

www.littlethings.com...

originally posted by: TiedDestructor

These victims have no voice. These victims can't vote. They're worthless in their eyes...statistics. Sick IMO.

Exactly! Your opinion, your belief.

Conservatives are great promoting their mantra of "Less Government" and personal responsibility ---- as long as it falls within their barbed wire fencing.

One wonders when the rights of the "unborn" begin exactly ... is it during the first seven weeks of pregnancy, when God's Plan (aka natural processes) spontaneously aborts over half of all fertilized eggs?

National Institutes of Health - Miscarriage

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

And just who were you to make this determination? What laws did he say he wants to put into place? You are saying that only in some past ancient civilization does life in the womb matter because now we believe that spotted owls and delta smelts are more important than humans and a woman's right means she has zero responsibility for the life in her own womb? If you even understood the early pagan religions and those which worshiped the earth mother, you would realize the folly of what you just said.

it's his stance on abortion. if he were elected, would he try to do away with abortion ? (i, for one, would be relieved in some respects, if he did but there's still that nagging issue of the women who are raped)

my original position on it, however, was that this country is not the nation of israel. we are not all called to be holy priests, as a result, trying to enact laws that are based on the religious position that life begins in the womb upon conception, vs. the secular view that life doesn't begin till the baby takes it's first breath (or at least the second trimester), is forcing your view of when life begins on people who may or may not agree. they would know you were forcing it on them because your view is based on your religious belief. this is what jesus said to avoid doing - if they don't accept your view, move on, don't force it on them.

as i said, i agree with him but i don't agree with forcing it by law, because of the difficulty of the issue. it's not a simple yes or no litmus test.

a reply to: gatorboi117

"A New Prescription for America” Great, a pharmaceutical Puppet...

I do not trust any of the above mentioned candidates. I am SICK to death of the 2 party system!!!!!!! Anything other than Red or Blue is treated about the same as the msm treated UFOs in the past. Eyes rolling, snickering, the brunt of jokes and down right ignoring the subject.

Let the dead bury the dead!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TiedDestructor

These victims have no voice. These victims can't vote. They're worthless in their eyes...statistics. Sick IMO.

Exactly! Your opinion, your belief.

Conservatives are great promoting their mantra of "Less Government" and personal responsibility ---- as long as it falls within their barbed wire fencing.

Thats a fact.

Read it again slowly. Rinse and repeat.

Conservatives and Liberals all promote what's within their "barbed wire fencing".

They're called "Party Lines". Just FYI.

originally posted by: antar
a reply to: gatorboi117

"A New Prescription for America” Great, a pharmaceutical Puppet...

I do not trust any of the above mentioned candidates. I am SICK to death of the 2 party system!!!!!!! Anything other than Red or Blue is treated about the same as the msm treated UFOs in the past. Eyes rolling, snickering, the brunt of jokes and down right ignoring the subject.

Let the dead bury the dead!

i like him. but short of jesus himself, coming to run the place, i don't think humans are currently very good candidates for governing large groups of other humans because so much important information is kept hidden from us. without all the info, we make massive mistakes. "the people perish from lack of knowledge"

originally posted by: TiedDestructor

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TiedDestructor

These victims have no voice. These victims can't vote. They're worthless in their eyes...statistics. Sick IMO.

Exactly! Your opinion, your belief.

Conservatives are great promoting their mantra of "Less Government" and personal responsibility ---- as long as it falls within their barbed wire fencing.

Thats a fact.

Read it again slowly. Rinse and repeat.

Conservatives and Liberals all promote what's within their "barbed wire fencing".

They're called "Party Lines". Just FYI.

Actually, NO!

I was Republican and Christian most of my life. I KNOW which one is more controlling.

The thing is Conservatives are stronger cohesively because of their narrow "tried and true" old standard belief system. It's interesting to me that they don't necessarily live it, but they'll "fight to the death" to defend it.

Everyone else gets thrown into the "Catch All" Liberal Bucket. But, that's just it --- they are Everyone Else. They are the Color Outside the Lines people. They are not cohesive in a same thought belief or political direction.

They lack political strength because they are varied -- they do not have same thought -- they are not single minded cohesive.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One wonders when the rights of the "unborn" begin exactly ... is it during the first seven weeks of pregnancy, when God's Plan (aka natural processes) spontaneously aborts over half of all fertilized eggs?

National Institutes of Health - Miscarriage

At conception. Even MD['s know this. Abortion advocates know this, but they obfuscate the fact by diverting attention to the "viability of life outside the womb".

Every new life begins at conception. This is an irrefutable fact of biology. It is true for animals and true for humans. When considered alongside the law of biogenesis—that every species reproduces after its own kind—we can draw only one conclusion in regard to abortion. No matter what the circumstances of conception, no matter how far along in the pregnancy, abortion always ends the life of an individual human being. Every honest abortion advocate concedes this simple fact.
Faye Wattleton, the longest reigning president of the largest abortion provider in the United States—Planned Parenthood—argued as far back as 1997 that everyone already knows that abortion kills. She proclaims the following in an interview with Ms. Magazine:

I think we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don't know that abortion is killing. So any pretense that abortion is not killing is a signal of our ambivalence, a signal that we cannot say yes, it kills a fetus.1

www.abort73.com...

a reply to: undo

it's his stance on abortion. if he were elected, would he try to do away with abortion ?

we are not all called to be holy priests, as a result, trying to enact laws that are based on the religious position that life begins in the womb upon conception, vs. the secular view that life doesn't begin till the baby takes it's first breath

Please see ,my post that even abortion advocates know that it is killing life. It is a fact of biology that every doctor knows, not a mandate from the Priesthood of Melchizedek, ok well maybe the Priesthood of Melchizedek too.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Again, this is not an abortion debate thread.

However, I have been through this with you on other threads that are about abortion.

Every link you provide is an anti-abortion site.

Here's the "diddy" about your latest link: abort73

Abort73.com is a subdivision of Loxafamosity Ministries, Inc. (LMI). LMI is a non-profit 501c3 Christian, education corporation. Abort73.com is an online resource designed to creatively and comprehensively educate students about the injustice of abortion, and provide them with simple tools to help pass that education along to others.

www.abort73.com...

a reply to: Annee

the problem is, there are large groups of christians who are not conservatives. i'm a sort of right of middle conservative. i'm not hard right. life teaches you that there are many areas that are simply not that cut and dry. that we are forced to pick from only two ideologies that don't actually fully represent us as a nation, is evidence that we are missing alot of valuable information that would make these choices so much easier.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee

the problem is, there are large groups of christians who are not conservatives. i'm a sort of right of middle conservative. i'm not hard right. life teaches you that there are many areas that are simply not that cut and dry. that we are forced to pick from only two ideologies that don't actually fully represent us as a nation, is evidence that we are missing alot of valuable information that would make these choices so much easier.

Yes, there are non-conservative Christians. Which is why I try to always include the discriptive "Conservative or Fundamentalist". Sometimes I forget to include it.

But, what does that have to do with Right of Choice?

What does my Right of Choice have to do with anyone but myself? It doesn't.

It is "cut and dry". MY CHOICE - MY RIGHT ---- no one else's. Someone else's belief has nothing to do with me and my choices.