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Sweden Cedes Control of Muslim Areas?

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 09:49 AM
a reply to: sirlancelot

I would agree with you in part, because I don't believe that Sharia law has any place in America... nor should it exersize any authority in this country over any non-Muslim.

But what you aren't looking at, is the Jews have rabbinical courts in the United States... and probably in other countries in the world as well, where they are not forced to follow American laws in cases of civil dispute (such as divorce ect.) AND those rabbinical courts carry with them the same weight of law upon the Jews who choose to utilize them as any court of the United States government.

So what some Muslims are saying, is that in matters civil if the Jews get to follow their own religious law, then why can't Muslims?

Personally I disagree with them as a matter of principle, because any marriage can have a prenuptual agreement and any business arrangement has contracts attached which you can put anything you like into it - so long as it is not against the laws of the land...

I think if two people want, they should utilize contractual agreements rather than seek their own courts... but that is me personally. I disagree for the Jews having them too.

As far as anyone trying to force sharia law on anyone else in a non-Muslim land... those people may as well be booted out of the country - they obviously don't like it enough to stay. Let them live in other lands.... ones that are more to their liking.

As far as my marriage, many more people accept it than I ever once imagined possible. But times are changing and so are hearts and minds. as well as those closest to me know me best. I am not culturally Muslim, even though I'm a practicing Muslim. Culturally I am American, therefore the only marriage that suits me best, is another American. Just one who would respect my right to follow my religion however I choose to do so..

And for me, I found him. And most people see us as being the perfect match for one another - and accept our marriage without qualm. Sure, there are people who don't like it.. not even a little... but times are changing, and its people like myself who will change the hearts and minds of others around me. We CAN be practicing Muslims without having to carry the cultural baggage that some want to see go with it.

And yes, all that makes me pretty moderate in your eyes.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 09:54 AM

originally posted by: thesmokingman

"In the U.S., Dearborn, Michigan: Over 100,000 Muslims, 45% of the city has settled into their first ‘no-go’ zone. The city and police officials have been sued in many cases that allege discrimination “against Christians” effectively by the authorities applying Sharia law. Dearborn-Dar-al-Islam, (a place governed by Islamic Sharia law). The new idea of ‘no-go’ and ‘no-entry’ is significant, and shockingly being upheld. They provide weapons and guards and government officials in their own societies. They build what they want on their compounds. They have schools inside that their kids are educated in. They are taught their religion in school. No separation of Church (mosque) and State."

This is the biggest load of Horse Crap I have read in a long time. We barely have a 100,000 people here in the City of Dearborn. I would say we may have 25,000 Muslims tops, but most are Americanized.

I live in Dearborn and have all my life.

Yes we do have Muslims here and sometimes they can be a pain in the ass, because of their religious beliefs, but let the truth be known that after a few generations they assimilate well.

Especially the females that are born in the USA, they don't put up with the patriarchal/one-way BS, in fact many of them are becoming powerful and well paid executives because of the tough-love environment they grow-up in.

The only thing in that article that's true is there are Muslim's in Dearborn and yes the old-school men try to indoctrinate the younger ones, but as time passes their religious ways are back-firing.

The muslims will sometimes demand things in the name of religion, but it has more to do with their egos than religion.

Just my view, but what do I know I was born, raised, and have lived in Dearborn almost half a century.

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:18 AM
a reply to: Realtruth

I have seen video's of muslim kids throwing rocks, bottles, concrete at Christians in Dearborn. From what I can tell the kids involved where hate filled and violent. Granted the Christians where most likely antagonizing by being there during a muslim festival but in America we ALL should be able to share our beliefs without violence.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:25 AM
a reply to: sirlancelot


you don't know what those supposedly christian men were doing - or saying! Even my husband, who is Christian, would have started throwing stuff at those men.

Those guys are a lot like Westboro Baptist people... they are not much Christian.

The day I know about, those men were telling children... very young children, that they were the spawn of Satan and they were all going to hell ect. They were even whacking kids with a dead pigs head whenever possible.

Now.. what you don't realize is that in Muslim countries you don't have to much supervise your children, so at a festival like that mostly the children don't have their own parents around them. But those supposed Christians were screaming and yelling insults and those kids, even whacked a couple with a dead pigs head..

And it was the Muslim parents, who when they realized what was happening, who stopped the kids from throwing anything at them...

But yeah... most Christians would have been throwing stuff too had they been there. Those weren't nice missionaries you are talking about. Those video's you saw were heavily edited... and the whole purpose of their mission in all that, was to make Muslims look like some kind of evil people. But what you saw wasn't the entire truth.

. they are antagonists, not good Christian missionaries.
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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:28 AM

originally posted by: sirlancelot
a reply to: Realtruth

I have seen video's of muslim kids throwing rocks, bottles, concrete at Christians in Dearborn. From what I can tell the kids involved where hate filled and violent. Granted the Christians where most likely antagonizing by being there during a muslim festival but in America we ALL should be able to share our beliefs without violence.

That was one instance, and Dearborn has actually not issued a permit for another Muslim festival because of the problems caused that day.

Muslims are learning that if you cause trouble it will cost money, time and losing privileges in the USA.

Just so everyone understands I'm not defending Muslims here, but rather "Deny Ignorance".

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:53 AM
Sweden's politicians foolishly believed that if they imported Muslims that they would be just like the rest of the people.

However, they came to Sweden for the welfare and are not integrating into society.

I read that 100% of the rapes in a major city in Sweden were committed by the Muslim immigrants.

The solution is simple... Cut off the welfare and offer free trips to their county of origin. You could even give them a financial incentive if they renounce any claim to citizenship or additional aid.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 11:39 AM
hursky bursky durszky muppets in this thread i see....

Soo i live in sweden and yes there are criminal elements that
are "trying" to have control, BUT, its mainly within the criminal
world and towards other criminal elements. NOT biased against
muslims alone, ALL kinds of elements really...

AND, no. No go zones...Seriously, not happening.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:33 PM

Please for the love of Pete put down the bigotry and faux news. I am an American who lives in Europe. Finland to be exact. I see and interact with Muslim immigrants every day. They have red blood, breathe, and love their families just like everyone else. Fanatics are the exception not the rule. And frankly I'd much prefer their company to the company of any American ignorant enough to sit around doom porning about how the Muslims are trying to rule the world.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 04:41 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

This is a complete load of crap. I have lived in Detroit for the past 20 years and have worked in dearborn for 15 of those years. There is no and i repeat no Sharia law here at all. This is a ton of bars and strip clubs here. Its far from sharia as possible. This article has no basis what so ever, there is no one city named this whole article. I have worked with Muslims previously and some are outstanding citizens and a few are complete dumb-asses. I guess like all walks of life. Do some research before posting these articles and use some common sense. Do you really think Sweden would allow Muslims to take over a 55 no go zones. Its funny how they don't mention any city names or they use no references at all.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 04:42 PM
a reply to: Malynn

Have you experienced the gang activity of muslim youth in Helsinki. Last september gang of muslims (among the gang there were couple of finns too with finnish heritage, who have converted to Islam ) beated many people in some sort of knockout game and youngest victim of the beatings was 10 years old child. This kind of gang violence which is going on in Fenno Scandinavia has not been typical in the past but now is an issue which has turned into havoc. Of course you see it a bit different as what has been unusual in Scandinavia has been more open in US, US has suffered violent gangs for many decades.
There are good muslims too but the problem is the youth who have found that gang life in its extremist form is much more exciting than a normal life.
I hope you have enjoyed your stay in somewhere freaking cold.

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 04:52 PM
cant read it but from what I understand it is a report from the police that highlights no go area and if you scroll down it has maps. med%20stor%20paverkan%20i%20lokalsamhallet%20Sekretesspr%2014.pdf

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 05:04 PM

originally posted by: Miccey--->AND, no. No go zones...Seriously, not happening.

When were you last in Rosengård?

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 11:20 PM
a reply to: dollukka

There are gangs everywhere. Christian, Muslim, and atheist. It doesn't mean Muslims are taking over. That is ignorant, logical fallacy. and I've had freaking cold on my profile since I lived in Canada and Wisconsin. But yes, I enjoy Finland.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 11:42 PM
a reply to: Malynn

And what do you know of the idyllic past of Scandinavia? All there was was red little cottages with white trimmings and Pippi Longstockings in those days, Pippi would take care of the worst of the criminals, besides they were all bumbling idiots back then.

We really haven't had any serious gangs in Scandinavia for a long time before mass immigration started, certainly not even close to comparable to the organised crime we have these days. Sure there was Hells Angels but they didn't come close to the Serbs or the other ethnic gangs we have these days.

I think our murder rate used to be down there with Japan, granted, it's still pretty darn low but it has definitely increased. A murder used to be such a big deal the newspapers would go crazy about it, now it's just the new normal.

And even going back thousands of years Lapland specifically has been very peaceful, the native samis didn't even have a name for war. Now we've got snowmobile drive-by's every other day... it's just not the same I tells ya..

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 11:50 PM
Here is the report of so called no-go zones in Sweden by Swedish Police
you can open the PDF also from Swedish police website
If you do not speak swedish use a translator.

Of course these no go zones cannot be right, it´s not true ? There is no violence in these areas and police is wrong.
Also about the no-go zones you can study from

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posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:06 AM
No one said theres NO violence...
No one said there are no "gangs"...

But there is NO entry in any of the reports, and YES ive read them,
of any "No-go-zones"...

You bring up Rosengård... I´ve been there plenty..
But, if we are to speak of areas like that why not
take Kristiania as en example...
It "USED" to be a city within a city were they had
their own rules and laws...

What the reports are about is essentially how DIFFICULT
it is to work in these areas, and how to fix the problems.

And this:

Of course these no go zones cannot be right, it´s not true ? There is no violence in these areas and police is wrong. Also about the no-go zones you can study from SVENSKA DAGBLADET

Seriously, learn to comprehend what your reading....
And qouting media.... Really....
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posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 02:29 AM
a reply to: Miccey

Kristiania is actually a really good example... I went there just because I was curious and they act like it is some sort of anarchist paradise... really all it is is a town of drug addicts pooping on the streets!

The whole place is run by gangs (drug dealers) and one guy pulled a gun on me because I had a camera!

posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 03:46 AM
Sure is... But thats the point im making...
Kristiania is basicly uniqe in the terms a western
scociety. Rosengård isnt even in the same legue.
And the "hot spots" in some of the lager cites in
sweden is in no camparison, there are no
NO GO ZONES, just spots and neighbourhods/blocks
that are more problematic due to socioeconomic
problems... The criminal elements are NOT exlusive
to muslims or ANY other ethnic group...

posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 10:00 AM
There is a good article in the Investors Business Daily dated November 6, 2014 titled Europe Caliphate Takes Root With Sweden's ' No-Go' Zones.
It reviews the situation in Sweden with some good examples and then discusses the problem in the U.S. It highlights the Minneapolis neighborhood of Cedar-Riverside. Little Mogadishu has the largest concentration of Somali immigrants and apparently has become an important center for recruiting Islamic terrorists.
Douglas MacArthur McCain came from this area and died fighting for ISIS in Syria.

Also Fox affiliate KMSP-TV in Minneapolis-St. Paul reported about the case of Abdirahman Muhumed, who before going to wage war with ISIS worked at Delta Global Services with the job of cleaning planes. He did not require any security clearance so he was able to work unsupervised. Just some food for thought.
Also I need to find a video a friend taped for me of what is occurring in Paris France. It is about a year old. I will try and figure out how to post it. It was very shocking!

posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 02:04 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

How can that be?

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