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originally posted by: boomerdude
First of all, thanks to everyone for a fascinating dialogue. I have a question. Awhile back I was involved in a conversation at a social gathering. The theme evolved into a discussion of ancient religion and one person narrated a very interesting story. She said that when the angels ( iggigi? ) rebelled against God ( Anu ) they were punished by being banished from Heaven. God ( Anu ) gave the leader of the revolt governorship of the Earth and allowed the leader to appoint 72 governors over all parts of the Earth. Unfortunately, the story teller said the name of the leader of the revolt but I don't remember it. There was a lot more to the story but I don't want to get long-winded. It sounded as though this was esoteric rather than religious. Does anyone know where I could research such a story?
"Heillel is not an angel, but the son of an angel, who became a deified king"
"Nimrod of the line of Kush, appears to be the son of the Covering Cherub"
Nimrod, son of
Cush, son of
Ham, son of
Noah, son of
Lamech, son of
Methuselah, son of
Enoch, son of
Jared, son of
Mahalalel, son of
Kenan, son of
Enos, son of
Seth, son of
Adam.
"This exact story is in Genesis 10 or 11"
Genesis 10 and 11:
• Location: Shinar
• Geography: Plains
• Key Figures: Nimrod, the people of Babylonia, and Yahweh.
• Event: The society built a city and began constructing a tower to be the tallest of all.
• Reason: "To make a name," meaning, to create a marvelous and well-known city.
• Result: Yahweh babbled and confused the languages,... the society halted construction of the city and tower,... and the people scattered and separated into different linguistic societies.
Isaiah 14:
• Location: Heaven and Mount Zephon
• Geography: Mountainous and Heavenly heights.
• Key Figures: Heylel, El, and Elyon.
• Event: Heylel sought to usurp the authority of El, establish his throne on Mount Zephon, and ascend to Elyon.
• Reason: A hunger for power, authority, and being acknowledged as the supreme deity.
• Result: Heylel was cast out of Heaven and laid down to the grave (Sheol, the common grave, not the fictitious Inferno of Dante's, "Divine Comedy").
"The commonality is that both the Covering Cherub (Shahhar the Morning Star/Light) and his son Heillel challenged the authority of the Elohim."
1. Gomer_________36. Jebusties
2. Magog_________37. Amorites
3. Madai__________38. Girga#es
4. Javan__________39. Hivites
5. Tubal__________40. Arkites
6. Meshek________41. Sinites
7. Tiras___________42. Arvadites
8. Ashkenaz______43. Zemarites
9. Riphath________44. Hamathites
10. Togarmah_____45. Elam
11. Elisha_________46. Ashur
12. Tarshish_______47. Arphaxad
13. Kittites________48. Lud
14. Rodanites_____49. Aram
15. Cush_________50. Uz
16. Egypt_________51. Hul
17. Put___________52. Gether
18. Canaan_______53. Meshek
19. Seba_________54. Shelah
20. Havilah_______55. Eber
21. Sabtah_______56. Peleg
22. Raamah______57. Joktan
23. Sabteka______58. Almodad
24. Sheba________59. Sheleph
25. Dedan________60. Hazarmaveth
26. Nimrod_______61. Jerah
27. Ludites_______62. Hadoram
28. Anamites______63. Uzal
29. Lehabites______64. Diklah
30. Naphtuhites____65. Obal
31. Pathrusites_____66. Abimael
32. Kasluhites______67 Sheba
33. Caphtorites_____68. Ophir
34. Sidon__________69. Havilah
35. Hittites_________70. Jobab
(Older Version from Dead Sea Scrolls)
When Elyon allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up the sons of man,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the sons of El
But Yahweh’s portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance."
"When the Elyon gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel. For the Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance."
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
"She said that when the angels ( iggigi? ) rebelled against God ( Anu ) they were punished by being banished from Heaven. God ( Anu ) gave the leader of the revolt governorship of the Earth and allowed the leader to appoint 72 governors over all parts of the Earth."
"Hence, the number of the children of Israel would be proportional to the number of the fallen sons of God."
"The Hebrew is probably the original, while the LXX is an explanatory translation."
"Acording to psalm 82, the fallen gods/lords of the earth are the fallen angels/demons."
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:
[1. The gods stand in the congregation of El. In the midst of the gods He (El) judges.]
2 “How long will you defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
[5. They (mankind) know nothing, neither will they understand. They walk in darkness. All the foundations of the Earth are shaken.]
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
[6. I have told you gods that you are all sons of Elyon.]
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
Angels are lesser gods.
This is the main difference between the Gentile legends and the biblical account.
“the sons of Israel.” The idea, perhaps, is that Israel was central to Yahweh’s purposes and all other nations were arranged and distributed according to how they related to Israel. See S. R. Driver, Deuteronomy (ICC), 355-56. For the MT יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּנֵי (bÿney yisra’el, “sons of Israel”) a Qumran fragment has “sons of God,” while the LXX reads ἀγγέλων θεοῦ (angelwn qeou, “angels of God”), presupposing בְּנֵי אֵל (bÿney ’el) or בְּנֵי אֵלִים (beney ’elim). “Sons of God” is undoubtedly the original reading; the MT and LXX have each interpreted it differently. MT assumes that the expression “sons of God” refers to Israel (cf. Hos. 1:10), while LXX has assumed that the phrase refers to the angelic heavenly assembly (Pss 29:1; 89:6; cf. as well Ps 82). The phrase is also attested in Ugaritic, where it refers to the high god El’s divine assembly. According to the latter view, which is reflected in the translation, the Lord delegated jurisdiction over the nations to his angelic host (cf. Dan. 10:13-21), while reserving for himself Israel, over whom he rules directly. For a defense of the view taken here, see M. S. Heiser, “Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God,” BSac 158 (2001): 52-74.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
originally posted by: boomerdude
First of all, thanks to everyone for a fascinating dialogue. I have a question. Awhile back I was involved in a conversation at a social gathering. The theme evolved into a discussion of ancient religion and one person narrated a very interesting story. She said that when the angels ( iggigi? ) rebelled against God ( Anu ) they were punished by being banished from Heaven. God ( Anu ) gave the leader of the revolt governorship of the Earth and allowed the leader to appoint 72 governors over all parts of the Earth. Unfortunately, the story teller said the name of the leader of the revolt but I don't remember it. There was a lot more to the story but I don't want to get long-winded. It sounded as though this was esoteric rather than religious. Does anyone know where I could research such a story?
Read "The Second Coming of the Anti-christ", by Peter Goodgame. He covers that exact narrative. The number 72 is related to astrology and is found in the Egyptian story of the conspiracy against Osiris, and in the Kabalah. Genesis 10 does list 70 nations, so if there is any truth to the 72, then Satan appointed 70 governing demons over the 70 nations, Satan is 71 as the god of earth, and Yehwah-Elohim is 72 as the God of Israel.
originally posted by: boomerdude
First of all, thanks to everyone for a fascinating dialogue. I have a question. Awhile back I was involved in a conversation at a social gathering. The theme evolved into a discussion of ancient religion and one person narrated a very interesting story. She said that when the angels ( iggigi? ) rebelled against God ( Anu ) they were punished by being banished from Heaven. God ( Anu ) gave the leader of the revolt governorship of the Earth and allowed the leader to appoint 72 governors over all parts of the Earth. Unfortunately, the story teller said the name of the leader of the revolt but I don't remember it. There was a lot more to the story but I don't want to get long-winded. It sounded as though this was esoteric rather than religious. Does anyone know where I could research such a story?