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originally posted by: boncho
When people do this kind of thing they make a mockery of the legal system. They know it isn't going anywhere, unless self delusional, so whats the point?
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: boncho
Personally I would rather know why he sealed his college records. So many lies and the people trying to protect them. It is a sad world we live when the truth is somehow not that important anymore.
The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.
In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.
So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the o
Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.
Claim #3, thesis paper. Obama did write a paper on nuclear disarmament for an honors course in American foreign policy during his senior year, but it wasn’t the sort of “thesis” that some colleges require for graduation and keep on file in their libraries, like those that Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama released. During the 2008 campaign, reporters were told that Columbia had not retained a copy of Obama’s 1983 paper, and that Obama didn’t have a copy, either. NBC News contacted his former professor, Michael Baron, who said he looked for his copy but couldn’t find it, and thought he probably tossed it out eight years earlier in a move.
NBC quoted Baron as saying the paper likely would have disappointed Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” Baron told NBC. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.”
Claim #5, Selective Service registration. Obama’s Selective Service registration is public. A copy has been posted publicly, and the Selective Service confirmed that Obama registered for the draft on Sept. 4, 1980, and was given registration number 61-1125539-1.
Worth noting is that nobody in the U.S. has been drafted for military service since 1972, the year Obama turned 11. Obama, like other young men turning age 18 since then, was required to register on a standby basis, in case Congress ever resumes an active military draft. Failure to register is technically a crime, and disqualifies a man for federal student aid or from holding certain federal jobs.
The true mockery being done is not by this lawyer since he just speaks the truth.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: buster2010
Wow, you really bit the liberal biscuit didn't you...
Obama was born in Kenya. His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth there herself. I live just outside Chicago. I was there when the Kenyan community organizer was campaigning for the senate. In a debate his opponent reminded him that he wasn't even from the US. Obiwamba's response was not: "Yes I am" or, "I was born in Hawaii", or, "I am a US citizen". His response was, "What difference does it make? I'm not running for president."
You should do some homework before you start ripping on people. Take a good long look at the so-called birth certificate at whitehouse.gov. The form revision and format that Obama claims is his state issued birth certificate wasn't in use, and didn't even exist, when he was born. It is an obvious forgery.
All birth certificates were supposed to use a standard format and use only approved terminology. The fake obiwamba claims is his real birth certificate is full of errors and inconsistencies, and never even appeared until after his first 'vacation' to Hawaii. What a coincidence.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth there herself.
Now the full, unedited transcript of that conversation is available here and it says in no uncertain terms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii! MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was–” TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
The form revision and format that Obama claims is his state issued birth certificate wasn't in use, and didn't even exist, when he was born. It is an obvious forgery.
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hellobruce
The "legality" will be determined when a court decides whether or not a "naturalized" adopted person is a "natural born" citizen.
The details are being worked on as we speak.
a reply to: hellobruce
WTF has that got to do with Obama? He is a natural born US citizen, any talk of adoption is just a silly birther made up story.