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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: lovebeck
wonder how he got away with it so long?
How does the Mafia get away with controlling the police in Italy when rapes happen or even crime? preventing them to even have an investigation?
Same thing with the Vatican.
So here we go again, with another boy-toy scandal infecting the Catholic ranks. What is it with these people?
Limiting their study to plausible accusations made between 1950 and 1992, John Jay researchers reported that about 4 percent of the 110,000 priests active during those years had been accused of sexual misconduct involving children. Specifically, 4,392 complaints (ranging from "sexual talk" to rape) were made against priests by 10,667 victims. (Reports made after 2002, including those of incidents that occurred years earlier, are released as part of the church's annual audits.)
Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it's closer to one in 5. But in either case, the rate of abuse by Catholic priests is not higher than these national estimates.
Overall, the John Jay study found that 149 priests were responsible for more than 25,000 cases of abuse over the 52-year period studied.
Allen suggests a final reason we hear so much more about Catholic abuse than transgressions in other religions: its sheer size. It's the second largest single denomination in the world (behind Islam) and the biggest in the United States.
Breaking news, a response from the Vatican!
He'll probably just get the Holy See Witness Protection Program.
Here is a translation of the statement released Tuesday evening by the Vatican press office regarding the penal proceedings involving former nuncio Josef Wesolwoski.
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Today, the Promoter of Justice of the Court of First Instance of Vatican City State summoned the former nuncio J. Wesolowski, on whom he had conducted a criminal investigation. The prelate - already judged in the first instance by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and reduced to the lay state at the end of canonical administrative penal process - was notified of the indictment of the criminal proceedings against him for serious acts of abuse of minors in the Dominican Republic.
The seriousness of the allegations has prompted the official investigation to impose a restrictive measure that, in light of the accused’s health condition, as evidenced by medical documentation, consists of house arrest, with its related limitations, in a location within Vatican City State.
The initiative taken by the judicial departments of Vatican City State is a result of the express desire of the Pope, so that a case so serious and delicate would be addressed without delay, with just and necessary rigor, and with full assumption of responsibility on the part of the institutions that are governed by the Holy See.
The Vatican arrested the Pope's former nuncio to the Dominican Republic on Tuesday, placing the 66-year-old Polish native under house arrest.
Józef Wesołowski served as apostolic nuncio in various countries since 1999; he was sent to the Dominican Republic in 2008, where he is accused of having engaged in sexual abuse of minors. He was recalled from the Dominican Republic in 2013.
Wesołowski in June was laicized after he was found guilty in canon law proceedings, with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith handing down the strictest punishment, return to the lay state.
A message released by the Vatican press office on Tuesday evening announced his house arrest, a restriction chosen "in light of the accused’s health condition, as evidenced by medical documentation."
The statement also referred to Pope Francis' readiness to sanction the former diplomat and his concern over the matter.
"The initiative taken by the judicial departments of Vatican City State is a result of the express desire of the Pope, so that a case so serious and delicate would be addressed without delay, with just and necessary rigor, and with full assumption of responsibility on the part of the institutions that are governed by the Holy See," noted the Vatican statement.
Limiting their study to plausible accusations...
...including those of incidents that occurred years earlier, are released as part of the church's annual audits...
An implausible allegation is one that could not possibly have happened under the given circumstances (e.g., an accusation is made to a bishop about a priest who never served at that diocese). Erroneous information does not necessarily make the allegation implausible (e.g., a priest arrived at the diocese a year after the alleged abuse, but all other facts of the case are credible and the alleged victim might have mistaken the date).
I thank with special gratitude the many Catholic bishops across the country who provided us in record time the detailed, revealing data from their files. The remarkable 98% response rate which we obtained from the dioceses is virtually unheard of in social science research.
Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies, and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities.
The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations.
originally posted by: charles1952
But the result is, that unless you change your hearts, you have condemned yourselves.
You've filled your hearts with hatred, vengeance, revenge, anger.
originally posted by: charles1952
Does anybody remember a time, lost in the mists of history, where it was really a mistake to insult a man's Mother, Country, or Religion? Now we are demanding the right to freely insult our country, it is almost a duty to insult everybody's religion, and Mother's aren't seen as anything special anymore by large portions of the population.
We have no character, no pride, nothing to believe in, except some vague and ever changing idea of fairness, niceness and the ability to have someone support us while we do anything we want. Is it any wonder we're a sick country?
Sometimes it gets to be a little too much. Soon, we may not ever recover. But the kind of violent hatred shown in this thread is not the way to go forward.
originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Unfortunately there has nothing that we the people can do about it...
An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice, "Let me tell you a story.
I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do.
But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times." He continued, "It is as if there are two wolves inside me. One is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him, and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.
But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.
Sometimes, it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."
The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"
The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."
"Grandfather Tells" aka "The Wolves Within"
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: TrueAmerican
Interpol and FBI should just get a search warrant for the entire Vatican.... and make em open up their vaults while they're at it...
Vatican IS NOT IN THE USA! So the FBI should keep the # out of Europe!
Now if Italian police want to raid it or the EU want to declare it a enemy state and go in I 100% support that.
But the USA and its pigs can keep the hell out of Europe! We dont want US bacon oinking about here.
LOL... I hate to tell you but they are already there. Source
You've filled your hearts with hatred, vengeance, revenge, anger. The former priest's heart was filled with unnatural lust. A lust, by the way, which is being debated by psychiatrists, the homosexual movement, and some legislators as not being wrong at all. But nobody is arguing hatred, revenge, and anger are good things.