Vatican Pedophilia Scandal: Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski Stored Over 100,000 Child Porn Videos

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: lovebeck

wonder how he got away with it so long?

How does the Mafia get away with controlling the police in Italy when rapes happen or even crime? preventing them to even have an investigation?

Same thing with the Vatican.

The Vatican is a sovereign state with sovereign immunity in Italy. They are essentially their own country. They have their own police and military.

Gee!...How unusual, a priest connected to the vat juggernaut, involved in questionable activity...wonders never cease...

A99

This is a sad thread. The actions of people giving way to passion and violating God's laws are always a serious thing. Whatever punishment God has in store, we should try to find some degree of mercy and forgiveness in our hearts for fellow humans.

Of course many, if not all of you, will say no mercy must be granted here, all possible punishment must be applied. But please, reconsider. You won't? Well, you've been offered a chance. Maybe you'll be offered another, maybe you won't.

But the result is, that unless you change your hearts, you have condemned yourselves.

Did you think my first paragraph was referring to the former priest? Not at all, I was referring to most of you. You have been offered a chance at mercy and forgiveness, and you've rejected it. You have demanded that your own punishment be merciless and extreme. Offer thanks to God that He will give you many chances for forgiveness and mercy. I'm just a guy, and I won't offer it again.

You've filled your hearts with hatred, vengeance, revenge, anger. The former priest's heart was filled with unnatural lust. A lust, by the way, which is being debated by psychiatrists, the homosexual movement, and some legislators as not being wrong at all. But nobody is arguing hatred, revenge, and anger are good things.

He is a member of the Church, and some of you are calling for the destruction of the Church as a consequence. All of you are members of ATS. Your hearts may be as twisted as his with hatred, but are you calling for the destruction of ATS? At least be honest for a change.

(Continued)

From the OP:

So here we go again, with another boy-toy scandal infecting the Catholic ranks. What is it with these people?

Now if you had been asking about American men, you might have a point. But you're saying it's something special with Catholic priests. Nonsense, ignorant nonsense. The John Jay Report has been public for a dozen years. I myself have referred to it in detail in two or three threads.

Limiting their study to plausible accusations made between 1950 and 1992, John Jay researchers reported that about 4 percent of the 110,000 priests active during those years had been accused of sexual misconduct involving children. Specifically, 4,392 complaints (ranging from "sexual talk" to rape) were made against priests by 10,667 victims. (Reports made after 2002, including those of incidents that occurred years earlier, are released as part of the church's annual audits.)

Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it's closer to one in 5. But in either case, the rate of abuse by Catholic priests is not higher than these national estimates.

Overall, the John Jay study found that 149 priests were responsible for more than 25,000 cases of abuse over the 52-year period studied.

Allen suggests a final reason we hear so much more about Catholic abuse than transgressions in other religions: its sheer size. It's the second largest single denomination in the world (behind Islam) and the biggest in the United States.

Those who say the Catholic Church had a problem worse than average are either ignorant of the facts or ignoring them to fit their preconceived notions. The years that abuse occurred were from the mid 60's to the mid 80's. Abuse levels over the past 15-20 years are lower than at anytime in the last 50 years.

ToTheTenthPower, a Super Moderator, offers this comment:

Breaking news, a response from the Vatican!

*Crickets*

He'll probably just get the Holy See Witness Protection Program.

~Tenth

"Crickets?" When you stay in a field away from relevant news sources, crickets are all you'll ever hear. If you want to see the response from the Vatican, go to the Vatican press office or to Zenit.it, a newspaper from Rome, or one of the other sources.

ToTheTenthPower writes his complaint on the 28th, not realizing that official statements had come from the Vatican on the 23rd.

Here is a translation of the statement released Tuesday evening by the Vatican press office regarding the penal proceedings involving former nuncio Josef Wesolwoski.

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Today, the Promoter of Justice of the Court of First Instance of Vatican City State summoned the former nuncio J. Wesolowski, on whom he had conducted a criminal investigation. The prelate - already judged in the first instance by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and reduced to the lay state at the end of canonical administrative penal process - was notified of the indictment of the criminal proceedings against him for serious acts of abuse of minors in the Dominican Republic.

The seriousness of the allegations has prompted the official investigation to impose a restrictive measure that, in light of the accused’s health condition, as evidenced by medical documentation, consists of house arrest, with its related limitations, in a location within Vatican City State.

The initiative taken by the judicial departments of Vatican City State is a result of the express desire of the Pope, so that a case so serious and delicate would be addressed without delay, with just and necessary rigor, and with full assumption of responsibility on the part of the institutions that are governed by the Holy See.

And Zenit offers this on the 24th:

The Vatican arrested the Pope's former nuncio to the Dominican Republic on Tuesday, placing the 66-year-old Polish native under house arrest.

Józef Wesołowski served as apostolic nuncio in various countries since 1999; he was sent to the Dominican Republic in 2008, where he is accused of having engaged in sexual abuse of minors. He was recalled from the Dominican Republic in 2013.

Wesołowski in June was laicized after he was found guilty in canon law proceedings, with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith handing down the strictest punishment, return to the lay state.

A message released by the Vatican press office on Tuesday evening announced his house arrest, a restriction chosen "in light of the accused’s health condition, as evidenced by medical documentation."

The statement also referred to Pope Francis' readiness to sanction the former diplomat and his concern over the matter.

"The initiative taken by the judicial departments of Vatican City State is a result of the express desire of the Pope, so that a case so serious and delicate would be addressed without delay, with just and necessary rigor, and with full assumption of responsibility on the part of the institutions that are governed by the Holy See," noted the Vatican statement.

Crickets? Witness Protection Program? Not here, by any means.

a reply to: charles1952

Limiting their study to plausible accusations...

I would like to see what they consider "plausible".

I think one of the issues here Charles is, that people don't trust the Catholic church to be honest in their reporting...

...including those of incidents that occurred years earlier, are released as part of the church's annual audits...

So the problem is suspected to be much larger than what we're being told about. Which is large enough, considering this is a Xtian institution.
Also, the media tends to grab anything like this about the Catholic church, but under-reports what I spoke of in my first post in this thread. This problem within the Catholic leadership, though horrifying, is just scratching the surface of what is going on world-wide. To lay the whole issue, lock, stock, and barrel, at the feet of the Catholic church is missing the mark.

From that point in the first page, the comments go from simply wrong to hateful. Go back and take a quick look. You'll see it.

But look at me, I'm angry too. I've tried not to let too much of that anger through onto these posts, but I've probably failed more than I know.

Does anybody remember a time, lost in the mists of history, where it was really a mistake to insult a man's Mother, Country, or Religion? Now we are demanding the right to freely insult our country, it is almost a duty to insult everybody's religion, and Mother's aren't seen as anything special anymore by large portions of the population.

We have no character, no pride, nothing to believe in, except some vague and ever changing idea of fairness, niceness and the ability to have someone support us while we do anything we want. Is it any wonder we're a sick country?

Sometimes it gets to be a little too much. Soon, we may not ever recover. But the kind of violent hatred shown in this thread is not the way to go forward.

OP- good find. Interesting that the MSM seems to be covering this story up. I wonder what's their motive?

At any rate, not really surprised. It's a shame that Catholic clergy are not allowed to marry. If they were, this kind of crap would be greatly reduced, IMO.

a reply to: Klassified

Dear Klassified,

From the John Jay report:

An implausible allegation is one that could not possibly have happened under the given circumstances (e.g., an accusation is made to a bishop about a priest who never served at that diocese). Erroneous information does not necessarily make the allegation implausible (e.g., a priest arrived at the diocese a year after the alleged abuse, but all other facts of the case are credible and the alleged victim might have mistaken the date).

I thank with special gratitude the many Catholic bishops across the country who provided us in record time the detailed, revealing data from their files. The remarkable 98% response rate which we obtained from the dioceses is virtually unheard of in social science research.

Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies, and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities.

The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations.

John Jay Study 1950 - 2002

Of course, anyone can take the position that this is all baloney, that the Catholic Church requires Sodomy before Ordination, every priest abuses children, and that the Pope and his Cardinals sacrifice virgins upon piles of gold while worshiping Satan in a secret Vatican dungeons.

But as the claims get more and more ridiculous, shouldn't some proof be offered? No, in many cases hatred seeks to justify itself.

With respect,
Charles1952

a reply to: charles1952

You're doing a good job refuting many of the comments here, including mine. And I hear you, and your presented research. And that's all fine and dandy, except for one thing- that incidences of child rape and abuse IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, for crying out loud- should be exactly 0%. You don't come preaching God's word to me, with all your ceremonies, holier-than-thouness, expecting money, and that everyone live by the ten commandments- and then go rape little boys. No, no, and fuggin A, NO! I have no tolerance for religion to begin with, but to rape little boys on top of it all, the hypocrisy of that sends me into utter rage. So I will NOT take a comparison of the rape/abuse percentage of males in religion vs. the general populous. I will not because of inherently WHAT THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT- and ESPECIALLY an ARCHBISHOP!

So in this case, I disagree entirely with your position, although well-presented (and I'll give you that). It's just ignoring the sheer and utter hypocrisy of the act, from a LEADER of the Catholic Church. There can be NO COMPARISON, in my view. But that's just the way I feel when I read things like this: Disgust at the highest level.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Dear TrueAmerican,

Surprise! I agree with you.

This is an illegal and sinful act for anyone to be doing. For a priest to be doing it, it's especially bad. Hypocrisy is too light a term. He should have understood the eternal consequences as well as the legal ones. Jesus gave priests and teachers especially heavy penalties for going astray, much worse than for sheep like me. (I mean sheep in the Shepherd sense.)

I expect he'll serve the toughest sentence allowable by law, and that's fine with me. My hope hope is that he will come to serious repentance, do everything he's able to make amends, and return to a holy way of life. Just as a stretch in prison can sometimes turn a man around, I hope that, in this case, it turns his heart around. I don't wish hell on anybody.

Now, what does it say of the largest single denomination in the world that one of it's leaders does something corrupt? I suppose the same thing it says when a Republican, a Democrat, a President, an Attorney General, the Superindendent of a school district, or any one else does a despicable act.

It says that there are men who go bad. It says that there are very few flawless people anywhere. It says some people get consumed by a passion they lose control over. For some it's sex, for others, money, gambling, drugs, alcohol, power, even hatred.

I am pleased with your outlook, up to a point. If you were not furious at him, I'd be worried. Corruptio optimi pessima. In a very sloppy translation, "When the best get corrupted, you've got the worst." That's what's happened here. A good man (I assume) became corrupted and his acts deserve anger. But not his Church.

Membership or leadership in the Church doesn't make you a saint. You start with the same failings you've always had. Except in unusual circumstances, your vices are not completely eliminated upon baptism. "Work out your Salvation with fear and trembling." From one of Paul's letters.

If I become furious and smash a cup, that's a bad thing, but not really terrible. The cup's just a cup. I have to work on my anger, but no real harm done. What this man, no longer a priest did is smash something truly holy, a Christian innocent. That act is where your anger should be focused. That's where Jesus' anger was when he flipped over tables and beat people. It was for profaning something sacred, His Father's House. This man profaned his Father's children.

His eternal fate is now between him and God. Only God's mercy can be counted on to save him from eternal damnation. But His Church will continue, we have Jesus' promise for that.

With respect,
Charles1952

I do not often read threads like these; as they are emotionally difficult for me to become immersed in. However, I found this comment to be very well stated, and was moved to post my own thoughts at this moment.

originally posted by: charles1952
But the result is, that unless you change your hearts, you have condemned yourselves.

You've filled your hearts with hatred, vengeance, revenge, anger.

The hatred held in many hearts for this thread topic and for ALL the perceived and real ills of this world, is the EXACT reason for the state of world events today. It is everyone not doing these things who bears the responsibility for them happening, as we feed these activities and the consciousness of Earth with our anger, hated and energy towards them. Imagine the energy of hate accumulated over many centuries, building and culminating in what we witness today.

If what we held primarily in our hearts is love for ourselves, for our families and neighbours and pride in our own homes and communities, this COLLECTIVE energy would outshine and overpower the energy of the people who choose to hold hatred in their hearts, and most importantly not give our energy over to those that benefit from the committing or covering up of heinous acts. As long as we live in judgement, we are creating an entire world of situations needing to be judged. The media are complicit in this; and we claim we know better than to allow their "directed" influence into our lives and homes, but yet we fall for the divisions and war for our minds and hearts every time; allowing the negative energy of anger and hate, to be our rulers of each and every day. How much of this spills onto those you claim to love, and in turn affects others, and so on?

This is not to say I am at ALL accepting of the topic covered within this thread, but rather to say it is a double-edged sword; and we are cutting ourselves and the world to the quick with the overall madness collectively produced by the energy of our reactions and outrage.

As Charles so wisely stated:

originally posted by: charles1952
Does anybody remember a time, lost in the mists of history, where it was really a mistake to insult a man's Mother, Country, or Religion? Now we are demanding the right to freely insult our country, it is almost a duty to insult everybody's religion, and Mother's aren't seen as anything special anymore by large portions of the population.

We have no character, no pride, nothing to believe in, except some vague and ever changing idea of fairness, niceness and the ability to have someone support us while we do anything we want. Is it any wonder we're a sick country?

Sometimes it gets to be a little too much. Soon, we may not ever recover. But the kind of violent hatred shown in this thread is not the way to go forward.

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I think that everyone knows the following to be true,

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Unfortunately there has nothing that we the people can do about it...

but that feeling of helplessness and/or anger serves NO ONE for the better. Sadly, nothing will change, no matter how much righteous anger is directed towards them. I do believe many events of this world, come to pass solely for us to learn and reflect inward - for example, we CAN be the change we wish to see, in how WE treat the children/people in our lives that we ARE in charge of and co-exist with...how many of them are hurting in other ways these days?

Everyone always says (especially on ATS) that "we have to take care of our own first, before we can help others" - yet the collective actions and mindsets do not reflect the words or the world at large would be a much different place, energetically speaking.

Isn't it time we did a LOT better? Surely we can evolve beyond the failed mentalities of the days of old? Lessons may be never ending, but they are fruitless if we outright refuse to learn. The future, as always, is what you perceive and feel to be most important to direct your energy towards. That focus, expands - in the direction of whichever polarity you ultimately choose.



Here is another version, of that familiar Cherokee tale, one that I hope sheds more light on what I meant to convey herein.

An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice, "Let me tell you a story.

I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do.

But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times." He continued, "It is as if there are two wolves inside me. One is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him, and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.

But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.

Sometimes, it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."

The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"

The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."

"Grandfather Tells" aka "The Wolves Within"

If we mimic those that cause pain in this world, even if only in words, we are no better than them. We will have no one to blame but ourselves for creating the chaotic collective energy of anger/hate in this world, and will have succeeded in aiding them in their negative energy harvest.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

You didn't even read the article you posted.

100,000 videos. Go read the article. How many videos? How did you not catch that? A little too excited to vomit your anti-religious views?

No one is saying it's OK for people to be hypocrites and rape children while preaching the word of God. It is ridiculous to pretend that Catholic priests and ^ are all pedophiles being protected by the Vatican.

Prove to me that there is a higher incidence of child molestation among clergy in the Catholic church than in any other profession. Show me statistics. You're talking out of your ass. Your confirmation bias is obvious. You think because you've seen more Catholic scandals in the news that more Catholic priests commit these atrocities than any other religion/profession/demographic.

The vast majority of children are victimized by a family member. So let's go ahead and throw the same nonsense at parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents. If you really want to make an impact, don't let kids see family. Save them from their parents.

There are what, 7 billion people with free-will on this planet now?
The Law of Big Numbers says that anything that can happen will happen.

Anotherwords...
If someone wants to sell, buy or use illegal drugs, they will.
If someone wants to sell, buy or use illegal weapons, they will.
If someone wants to start or support a war, they will.
If someone wants to rob a bank or rape & kill, they will.
If someone wants to fiddle with their own family members or other's children, they will.
If someone wants to engage in any activity (and they do), they will! PERIOD. End of Discussion!

In EVERY CITY in all cities, there is at LEAST 1 person (or more likely multiples/many) who does all of the activities I have just mentioned above. It is 100% prolific, whether you like it or not.

This is more a condition of the human mind or nature, which at 7 billion, has no bounds or limits to its Desires and Goals; however "good" or "evil" they might be considered by a court of books.

Clearly, you can throw every single person who is alive in jail, but you can't stop their free-will.
Every evil deed is so prolific, you might as well just embrace the condition of the Human Race.
Since when has a book or law ever stopped anyone from doing anything they TRULY wanted to do!

I'm not even going to pretend that I have an answer or solution for you, because there isn't one!

and if that wasn't enough for you.
We are but 1 planet among a billion billion billion planets.

They say the universe will live to be 100 Trillion years old, right now it is 15 billion years old.

That's enough time and size that anything that can happen will happen. That means that somewhere "out there" there is a planet of nothing but 100% cannibals, nothing but 100% war, and nothing but 100% pedo's... etc... etc... etc...

Your small human mind cannot understand the scale of the universe!

a reply to: charles1952

Hahahah So wait a second here pal! You are trying to say because we find CHILD abuse as sick and disgusting because well... IT IS! That we are somehow WORSE than a child abuser! It doesn't surprise me that someone such as yourself will try to defend this disgusting monster though... Shame on YOU! Glad you let the community know that YOU support peadophilia... I hope you are put on some watch list somewhere buddy!

And to be quite frank I care not what your imaginary friend thinks of me! Nor do I care what some paedo lover thinks of me either! You and your god make me sick to my stomach! Just so you know!

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Interpol and FBI should just get a search warrant for the entire Vatican.... and make em open up their vaults while they're at it...

Vatican IS NOT IN THE USA! So the FBI should keep the # out of Europe!

Now if Italian police want to raid it or the EU want to declare it a enemy state and go in I 100% support that.

But the USA and its pigs can keep the hell out of Europe! We dont want US bacon oinking about here.

LOL... I hate to tell you but they are already there. Source

Then you should take your trigger happy scum back.

a reply to: MoonBlossom

Oh so YOU support paedophilia too duly noted... I'll be sure to stay away form the pair of you and charles! Here is a tip! It is very natural... VERY VERY natural to be angry when some dirty old man is there hording videos with children being abused! It is VERY VERY natural to be filled with disgust and HATE towards that person! And you think such a sick pervert has never acted out on this? Yeah right!

But because I am angry and hate THIS sick pervert... Does NOT mean "my heart is filled with hatred" lmao... That is THEE most rediculous thing I've ever heard! Shame on the pair of you!

I know what it is though, damage control for your little fairytale!

Oh and btw the problem here is NOT that he is a hypocrite... It is that he is a paedo and gets off on abusing children! Dont you even get that? Wow I am so glad I am not you!

a reply to: ProjectUltra2013

It is impossible to have a world 100% filled with paedos, wanna know why? Cos some would have to be the bloody kids getting abused for there to BE paedos... Or perhaps your tiny little human mind can't understand that?

a reply to: charles1952

You've filled your hearts with hatred, vengeance, revenge, anger. The former priest's heart was filled with unnatural lust. A lust, by the way, which is being debated by psychiatrists, the homosexual movement, and some legislators as not being wrong at all. But nobody is arguing hatred, revenge, and anger are good things.

This is disturbing to say the least. What are you insinuating? That there is some moral ambiguity to selling children into sex slavery so old sexual repressed guys can fap to it or worse. And then you blame people for getting angry and wanting justice? Calling vengeance and revenge. Really disturbing.