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Pamphlet shows parents how to teach kids about homosexuality without turning them gay

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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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e Friendly Atheist reports that the conservative group Focus on the Family has released a pamphlet that teaches Christian parents how to talk about children about homosexuality without turning them gay.

The pamphlet, by Jeff Johnston and titled “How to Talk To Your Children About Homosexuality,” is explicitly not designed for parents of homosexual children — those parents are strongly encouraged to call Focus on the Family’s counseling hotline. The pamphlet’s intended audience is parents who want to be sure that the children they are raising do not grow up to become homosexual.



It astonishes me that some people still think that homosexuality is a choice, or demon induced, and not something determined by genetics.

www.cs.cmu.edu...




The problem with discussing male homosexuality with young boys, the pamphlet argues, is that there is a “natural” inclination for them to be attracted to “masculine” men, and this should be encouraged.


Anyone else see the disconnect here?




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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Oh ya...

this thread is gonna go really well...

Take cover dude...



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I was all set to blast the pamphlet for thinking people can be 'turned gay' by talking about it. I went to Focus on the Family's website to look for this pamphlet. It wasn't in their store or on their website that I could find. I googled and found it no where. I could have just missed it, but I"m not sure there really is such a pamphlet.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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Why can't people just answer children's questions while trying to not be embarrassed or teach the children to be embarrassed about sexuality?

Isn't that difficult enough without trying to sway children to a specific opinion?!



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: olaru12

Oh ya...

this thread is gonna go really well...

Take cover dude...


I know....

Just pokin the bear so to speak....



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I was all set to blast the pamphlet for thinking people can be 'turned gay' by talking about it. I went to Focus on the Family's website to look for this pamphlet. It wasn't in their store or on their website that I could find. I googled and found it no where. I could have just missed it, but I"m not sure there really is such a pamphlet.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




Here ya go....

enjoy!

www.dropbox.com...



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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Knowing well about Focus on the Family, the following can be stated:

Well at least it is not a hell and brimstone sermon presented to the children. Course we all should remember Focus on the Family is not well liked in Colorado, after all it did attempt to get into politics with Amendment 2, and different elections. And these are the same groups, where the upper members of the organization tends to pay those who have family members who are gay, to stay out of the state of Colorado. And lest we not forget that this is the same group where at least one minister was caught with a male escort, paying said escort drugs and cash for sex.

They are trying to gather support for their cause, I do not believe that they have any ones best interest in mind, save that of their organization and to try to influence voters.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Okay ... I just read the pamphlet. I'm not seeing stated anywhere that the purpose of the pamphlet is to talk to kids about homosexuality 'without turning them gay'. I"m seeing a lot of typical Christian beliefs about why it's wrong and how to deal with the homosexual subject in a Christian household. I'm also seeing a very big block and quote saying - "Even though we don’t agree . . . we will treat them with kindness and respect."

So I'm not going to pound on this but I'll be respectful back and allow them room to believe as they wish. This is for people in their own belief system and it's not being put out to bash homosexuals in the general population so ... live and let live.

done/out

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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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FonTF however has some pretty homophobic attitudes toward gays.





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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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Pamphlet shows parents how to teach kids about homosexuality without turning them gay


Seems rawstory is getting pushy with their article titles.

"without turning them gay" apparently is the author's opinion?

I wonder how they come to that conclusion?




posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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If you want your kids to be straight, give them straight answers. If you beat around the bush, they will eventually learn things the wrong way. If you need a pamphlet to raise your kid, then you've got some real trouble ahead of you.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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Gay rights is a non issue. Clearly gay people are people just like everyone else. They deserve rights because all people have intrinsic worth just like the Christian lady says in the video. The fact that we can't move on just shows how well TPTB polarize the citizenry.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
Gay rights is a non issue. Clearly gay people are people just like everyone else. They deserve rights because all people have intrinsic worth just like the Christian lady says in the video. The fact that we can't move on just shows how well TPTB polarize the citizenry.


You don't feel that focus on The Family plays a part in polarizing the citizenry? Or Fundamentalist Christians in general?



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen



Pamphlet shows parents how to teach kids about homosexuality without turning them gay


Seems rawstory is getting pushy with their article titles.

"without turning them gay" apparently is the author's opinion?

I wonder how they come to that conclusion?





Rawstory isn't the focus of this thread.

Any feedback on the content of the article?



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: tavi45
Gay rights is a non issue. Clearly gay people are people just like everyone else. They deserve rights because all people have intrinsic worth just like the Christian lady says in the video. The fact that we can't move on just shows how well TPTB polarize the citizenry.


You don't feel that focus on The Family plays a part in polarizing the citizenry? Or Fundamentalist Christians in general?


Nope! Just reinforcing their religious belief on their children! You know, freedom of religion and all? Some might call it indoctrination. Kind of similar to what are education system is currently up too?

How are our political parties not guilty of doing the same things your accusing those of a certain religious faith?

I think we all have a need for some personal reflection on what the true meaning of freedom is, while tossing religion and politics into a vault for awhile.......

"Polarizing the citizenry" is something that I believe fingers can be pointed in many directions. Not just religion.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: olaru12
FonTF however has some pretty homophobic attitudes toward gays.

Yep. But the headlines from the RAW story are wrong. The pamphlet doesn't say anything about turning kids gay if the parents talk to their kids about homosexuality. In fact, the pamphlet said ' "Even though we don’t agree . . . we will treat them with kindness and respect.". So, even though I was ready to pound on 'Focus on the Family', I have to dial it back because RAW got it's headline wrong.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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It seems Jeff Johnston is an "Ex-Gay for Pay".

Always good to search the history of author.

I just picked this at random (yes it's Think Progress, so what), there are other articles about Jeff Johnston. thinkprogress.org...



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: tavi45
Gay rights is a non issue. Clearly gay people are people just like everyone else. They deserve rights because all people have intrinsic worth just like the Christian lady says in the video. The fact that we can't move on just shows how well TPTB polarize the citizenry.


You don't feel that focus on The Family plays a part in polarizing the citizenry? Or Fundamentalist Christians in general?


Focus on the Family is on the SPLC hate list, not because they are anti-gay ---- but, because they promote lies and falsehoods. Such as equating homosexuality with pedophilia and beastiality.

They may get a pass on this particular pamphlet, but that's about it.




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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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So does gay rights movement. I'd rather be treated as no different fron anyone else than get the tax breaks of marriage. I heard on NPR about a movie called "pride" about hay rights activists helping out a Welsh coal miners movement in the 80s.

This is what should be happening. Everyone is so focused on their own cause when we should all be working together for all causes related to human rights. Too many movements are bottom up and singularly focused on one thing. It's noble and may help but if the system itself remains the same it's not enough. Congratulations on building that school in Africa but they aren't gonna go far when the rest of the world still treats them like garbage. Most movements however noble and well intentioned end up mostly being selfish feel good endeavors.

American black rights movement is the best example. Yeah they've come a long way from slavery but now they're skipping back into it from complacency. You should research the last year of MLKs life where he was marginalized and then killed because he tried to start bringing light to issues of how America is run at the top. Same goes for JFK minus the marginalization.

Sadly I'm too dumb to figure out how to go about this or I'd already be trying. Zephyr Teachout is trying but sadly she came just shy of beating Cuomo. The system is so entrenched it's hard to see an answer and most of our best and brightest are sucked right in. Almost every genius at my school now works on Wall Street or Capitol Hill following orders from the old guard and becoming the new oppressors.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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Rawstory isn't the focus of this thread.

Any feedback on the content of the article?
 


Sure.

The pamphlet seems to be a simple guideline booklet.

Nothing over-suggestive or hateful, but perhaps slightly opinionated.

People who agree with the text will use it in whole or in part.

People disagreeing won't.

Simple choice imo.

Your second point is saying genetics plays a part.

I don't know how the pamphlet is in conflict with genetics or creates any "disconnect".

However, I am detecting some political "between the lines" thinking.

I have no comment on the politics involved for obvious reasons (not in the mud pit).




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