Christians put a Hex on me?

I have a serious question for you Christians out there.

How can you possibly be so sure that the idea of God and what’s written in the biblical teachings is the true force of good and that Satan is the force of evil, simply by going by some book that was written 2000 years ago and has constantly been altered by man, both deliberately and though the mistranslation of languages?

I mean, even going by the current biblical writings, it would seem to me that God stands for everything of which we consider evil within a modern world and Satan everything of that which is good.

Think about it. God is all about holding back knowledge and truth, he demands full control and to be obeyed at all times, is that not dictatorship? Yet Satan would seem to stand for the exact opposite. He promotes spreading knowledge and truth and is all for freedom of thought and speech, he even fights for equality.

So considering all that, are you not going against the biblical teachings if you support a country that has freedom of speech and democracy? Are you not going against God and everything he stands for, unless you demand to be ruled under National Socialism?

To give my point some perspective, my parents actually became hardcore Christians because of me. It was before I started school (so as a guess, I’d say 4 or younger), they had bought a house that was very old where apparent strange occurrences used to occur. From the stories I’ve been told over the years, it was the regular (so called) paranormal activities people seem to report with supposed haunted houses. Like slamming doors and hearing foot steps up and down the hall way in the middle of the night, or even the smell of perfume well walking though the house to check on us kids though the night.

Anyway, it apparently started getting worse. They’d start waking up in the middle of the night to the sound of me and my two bothers (who were about 1 and two years younger than me) not just crying, but ‘screaming’ hysterically for no apparent reason.

The tipping point was apparently when I started coming into there room at the middle of the night and would calmly sit on the bed and start talking about private family matters that I had no way of knowing about and was far to young to even understand. That apparently really scared them. So they did what any rational (lol) human being would do and went and joined the local Baptist church.

Anyway, shortly after this (of which I only have very faint memories of) my parents woke me up one night and took me into the lounge room where there was a high-ranking member of the church. I was told to sit on a seat that was in the middle of the room and then this guy put his hands on each side of my head and started praying, he kept praying louder and louder, swaying my head around as he got louder. It got to the point where he was full on yelling, which broke into complete gibberish like he was talking a different language and was now violently shaking my head around, which is what you Christians refer to as talking in tongues from memory. My parents deny it ever happened today, but I remember it.

Now firstly, I would appreciate if somebody who’s familiar with the workings of the church knows what this lunatic was attempting to achieve from this very odd behaviour? Was he actually trying release me of demons or something? Was this what would commonly be referred to an exorcism?

Also, how can anybody who truly believes in the Holy Spirit ever justify doing this to a child? How can you possibly know or understand the true forces what it is you’re messing with? This could of well been a sort of black magic that instead of casting evil spirits from me, might have bought them to me, causing me to be damned for all eternity!

Personally, I don’t believe in any of this stuff. Imo, my parents were just two young people doing the best they could and bought a house they could afford, which was old and used to make odd noises (as old house do), they just got scared!

But! Back to my original point, if you believe so strongly about all this, how can you possibly be so confident you are on the right side and not condemning your yourself, your children and mankind in general to eternal damnation simply by trusting an ancient text that was written by the hand of man?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Saying that the Bible has been altered and mistranslated by man is purely conjecture on your part. There is overwhelming scientific evidence, through the science of textual criticism, that shows beyond any doubt that the Bible today says exactly what the earliest manuscripts said. It has not been altered or mistranslated. Your claims hold no water, so the question isn't is the Bible accurate, because that has been proven, regardless of your opinion on it. The real question is... do you choose to believe it? I do and many others do, and clearly you and many others don't.

Faith...

It's all we have when it comes down to it.

Good Luck sorting it out.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

So you think virtues such as patience, sharing, love, gratitude, respect and compassion are evil in reality and that greed, selfishness, idol worshiping, lust, lying are the true way to enlightenment.

Really?

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

Like the good book says, we are free to decide what we want, that is how we were made. You can decide what is right in your eyes, but God has said what is good and if you take the time to analyze what he said you will most certainly agree. In fact it is encouraged to experiment and find the truth, try out what satanists or luciferians practice and try out what Christians, Muslims, Jews or Buddhists do tell me which one will lead to a better world.

a reply to: OptimusSubprime

These studies you refer to have been carried out by believers. It is also common knowledge that newly discovered writings of ancient text are only released to the public if it supports current biblical text. Other wise they suppress it.

Also, there are languages today that are hard to translate into English and still keep the original meaning. So how can they possibly know for a fact that ancient text is being translated into it’s original meaning.

Not to mention that your whole logic is completely floored anyway, since it was still written by man and not any higher power.

a reply to: bitsforbytes


Well, that’s Jesus and the New Testament, not the Old Testament. Plus even though the Bible teaches these things and is how Christians so vainly perceive themselves, it’s not the reality of the mentality of Christians in real life.

A perfect example would be the hard core Christian families who condemned there own family members who jumped from the twin towers to escape being slowly burnt alive, because suicide is a sin. Or the Christians who disown family members for not being like them. In reality Christians are not as righteous as they’d like to believe.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

You are right human beings are full of imperfections. But, that doesn't stop one from trying to strive for an ideal.

I bet you can find examples of Christians who are good or Muslims or Atheists. We all have lessons to learn in life.

One thing is for sure, you will need to find something to believe in, even you believe in nothing you are believing in something, humans need to believe, have faith, hope.

a reply to: OptimusSubprime

Like the fragment of the DSS for Deuteronomy 32 evaluated here?

Or, early Christianities that we never knew about? Like, those expounded in this book?

Telling the same story over and over again, doesn't make it true. You are the ones offering conjecture, in the form of Jewish creation mythology.

And yeah, I have plenty of links evaluating the text. Like.... German higher criticism.

All of which, is strangely absent from discussion during Sunday school.

a reply to: bitsforbytes

Faith is the fear of facing ones mortality. I am not afraid of my own mortality, I will die one day and I will be gone forever. I accept that.

I believe in seeking the truth. I believe in what can be touched, seen, measured though mathematics and evaluated though the scientific method. This is where mans only hope lies. Abandoning our ancient beliefs and turning all our energy on advancing the scientific method is the only chance man has of taking control of our own fate.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: OptimusSubprime
Not to mention that your whole logic is completely floored anyway, since it was still written by man and not any higher power.

So, if I paint a picture of a sunset -- and do it badly or inaccurately -- does that make the sun less real?

Careful not to confuse God with religion. I have little use for man's structured and flawed religion, but I believe in God.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
How can you possibly be so sure that the idea of God and what’s written in the biblical teachings is the true force of good and that Satan is the force of evil, simply by going by some book that was written 2000 years ago and has constantly been altered by man, both deliberately and though the mistranslation of languages?

Perhaps you are confusing God and religion.

Forget what you think you know about God, you've been lied to just like the rest of us.

"Truth is not a teaching, truth is a person." ~ Jan Sjoerd Pasterkamp

Once you learn to differentiate between the two, things will start to make sense.

I didn't come to believe because of what I read in 'some book'...

I came to believe because of many supernatural encounters with the book's author.

Darren Wilson's documentary's go into more detail for anyone interested.

I went into making this film by asking the simple question: who is God? I wanted to know His character, His personality, and who He truly is. To answer this question, we had to peel back the many layers of religious garbage that has been passed onto him through generations. That He is angry. Vengeful. Wrathful. And in general, that He doesn’t like you very much.

In this explosive documentary, filmmaker Darren Wilson attempts to do the impossible: film God and understand His character. Along the way, Darren and his team encounter powerful witch doctors, violent gang leaders, Hindu holy men, and everyday people with extraordinary experiences to tell. Father of Lights attempts to tear away much of the bad press the Almighty has received over the years, and reveals a God who is far better than anyone could have possibly imagined.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

That people even say the current versions of the bible are the same as the old texts is simply ludicrous. Anyone who has a King James or NIV bible and compares it to the older Greek and Hebrew texts knows this. Those who haven't compared them shouldn't be offering opinions on the matter.

Most likely the Baptist whatever he was was either trying to exorcise a alleged demonic spirit or simply praying for your spiritual protection. As far as which side is good or evil I don't believe in either so it doesn't matter to me.

a reply to: graceunderpressure

The Sun shines on me everyday. It has a physical presence and its existence is undeniable. God is not.

a reply to: Bassago

Just the King James only crowd proves editing and changes has happened. Otherwise, you would not have said group. Isn't editing and changes what they claimed to have happened? That whole Westcott-Hort vs Majority text controversy.

How can both be true at the same time?

It really is a silly claim to make. It falls apart when you apply critical thinking.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

You know, I think you have stumbled on the main issue that most people have with God. He's authoritarian, he IS a dictator. I don't think it is too much to ask people that you create, to do as you will. People don't want to bend to God's will, they want to think they have some kind of personal power, and that their power is greater than God's. The number one problem most people seem to have with God, is that they think that they are better than him. That despite their flaws, their thinly-veiled animalistic tendencies, and hubris, they still think they know better. To each their own.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Now firstly, I would appreciate if somebody who’s familiar with the workings of the church knows what this lunatic was attempting to achieve from this very odd behaviour? Was he actually trying release me of demons or something? Was this what would commonly be referred to an exorcism?

For starters, you may have not needed to be exorcised in the first place. If your parents were devout then they might have seen your perfectly normal childhood behavior as a sign of demonic possession- just like some people who sees a light in the sky and automatically assumes it's a UFO.

This could of well been a sort of black magic that instead of casting evil spirits from me, might have bought them to me, causing me to be damned for all eternity!

That could be due to your preconceptions of 'black magic'. The truth is that black magic is not attributed to Christianity, and is unfairly linked to Wicca or witchcraft-And most Wiccans and Witches frown upon the 'dark arts' and do not encourage it's use.

If you want my honest opinion: I think your parents should be held accountable to a certain degree. I'd be more critical of them instead of creating a blanket of blame that covers everyone.

a reply to: Chronogoblin

Hmmm!

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: graceunderpressure

The Sun shines on me everyday. It has a physical presence and its existence is undeniable. God is not.

So, you're saying that you only believe in things that you personally and physically experience? That's really kinda' sad. If a man lived in a cave for his entire life and never experienced the sun, you're saying the sun is not real because he never experienced it? Or, assuming you've never been to Pluto, nor seen it with your naked eye, is Pluto also therefore "unreal?"

God's presence in my life is undeniable for me. What you have in you own life is whatever you choose.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Religion is the politics of faith.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

How can you possibly be so sure that the idea of God and what’s written in the biblical teachings is the true force of good and that Satan is the force of evil,

For the same reason you are you and I am me I would imagine!
Because one has to be one and the other has to be the other.
Why do you people try to over complicate what God has made so
simple? This is where God says, give em a book make sure they can
read it and understand it. And suddenly they want to teach.
How very ignorant we are, not to realise how ignorant we are?