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If archeology 'proves' something, I'm going to believe just the opposite.
originally posted by: knightsofcydonia
I have a been a follower of Jesus since I can remember. What I've learned is:
ARCHEOLOGY PROVES THAT THE THINGS
IN THE BIBLE NEVER HAPPENED
THE UNIVERSITY OF TEL AVIV
TEL AVIV ISRAEL
ARCHAEOLOGIST TRIES TO RIP OUT JEWISH HISTORY'S BIBLICAL ROOTS
By Matthew Kalman USA TODAY
Quote from Professor Ze'ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University
NOTE: Professor Herzogs quotes---Mine in gray
"The many Egyptian documents known to us do not make any reference to the sojourn of the Children of Israel in Egypt or the events of Exodus.
This is coming from a University right in the middle of Israel, and they say that the Egyptian documents dating back ages make no mention of the exodus.
Generations of scholars tried to locate Mount Sinai and the stations of the tribes of Israel in the desert. Despite all this diligent research, not one site was identified that could correspond to the Biblical picture.
Generations of scholars have not been able to find one site identified in the Bible.
An Israeli archeologist is drawing fire for claiming that the biblical history of the Jewish people is probably fiction.
Consider the courage this archeologist has for saying the truth, right in the middle of Israel.
In an article in Ha'aretz newspaper, Ze'ev Herzog a professor at Tel Aviv University argued that the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt probably never happened, the Ten Commandments were not given on Mt Sinai and Joshua never conquered the land of Israel.
So there are three big Biblical stories that you have read about all your life, that a university in Israel says never happened.
Herzog says there is no evidence that Joshua led the children of Israel into the Holy Land or brought down the walls of Jericho.
Repeated excavations by various expeditions have only yielded disappointments he says.
During the period when the conquest would have taken place, there were no cities there and of course no walls to bring down.
Joshua could not have knocked down the walls of Jericho because there was no Jericho there at the time, and no walls.
Herzog has been criticized by religious leaders and is surprised at the criticism.
I don't think it is right to guess at motives based on the results of scientific inquiry he says. Archaeology has always been used in this society and used to point in one direction, (to prove the Bible), now I'm suggesting that perhaps it should be used to point in another direction.
What professor Herzog says here is that archeology can also be used to prove that the things in the Bible never happened.
They are symbolic, just as the Bible says.
Did Jesus really have to die?
“The laminin protein molecule is the major component that makes up the extracellular matrix which is also called the basement membrane. These are the sheets of protein that form the substrate of all internal organs. Laminin assist in cell adhesion and binds other extracellular matrix components together.” The word ‘matrix’ traces back to the Hebrew word ‘ema’ which means mother and comes from the root word ‘em’ which means ‘glue’. Matrix is also etymologically connected to the word ‘madrigal.’ littleguyintheeye.wordpress.com...
originally posted by: glend
I have never liked the line that Joshua (Jesus) died for our sins, it smells of human sacrifice to appease the Gods. If anything the crucifixion showed that we must always look towards God no matter what the consequences because nothing is more important, even death. However, I like to think that Joshua (Jesus) entered a deep state of samadhi on the cross so onlookers could not tell if he was dead or alive, on recovery, he traveled to India where he died of old age (80+) in Kashmir, India. His footprints recorded with crucifixion scars on both feet to tell the tale.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: sacgamer25
The idea that Jesus "had to" die came from Paul...
He was still stuck in OT mode... Obviously because he was a Pharisee, he just couldn't shake the idea that God wants blood sacrifice...
Jesus himself clarified that for us... Christians call him God... So lets consider this straight from "god's" mouth
I want mercy NOT sacrifice... the sacrifice Jesus talked about comes from within...
God doesn't want blood...Never did
He wants his children to love one another
One can not place his/her sins on another being... ONLY you are responsible for your own sins
originally posted by: LABTECH767
Atheists and disbeliever's come onto the religious thread's but mostly the christian one's and sit there and make grandiose statement founding in biased and biggoted opinions that are self serving, then they star one another.
We know you are there, ... and that is from the very being who warned us to call no man a fool.
What kick do the get out of trying to drag people out of there faith, to push them into a bleak world where they will feel no one can help them not even themselves and are less inclined to help one another.
Where there is an alter there you will find civilization, ... of they who do believe.
By the way there are two school's of archeaology, ... inscriptionsi in pheonician.
Oh that is right he was a religious guy so his opinion did not count
His work was typically rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity.
Wyatt's work is best characterized as being highly interpretive and suffering from a deficit of evidence. A schism developed after his death in which the ownership of his records fell in to dispute. This led to some of his records being difficult to locate.
Answers in Genesis (AIG) provides an appraisal of Wyatt's remarkable good fortune in discovering so many artifacts and sites of the bible:
“”Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses. If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the ‘divine leading’ option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled.
This may be one of those odd occasions in which AIG is correct, since the alternative is to accept that Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist, did the archaeological equivalent of developing General Relativity, Gravitational Theory, and after a break for lunch went on to develop the Theory of Evolution.
Wyatt's work is typically cited by fundamentalists as proof that events in the Bible actually occurred, but even this is only attempted by the terminally ignorant or stupid. When AIG shies away from something, it's a pretty good indicator that it's broken on through to the other side of crazy.
You know he is far from alone, ... hypocritical abuse of position.
And also remember the like's of herzog have a vested interest in seeing a religon that they find offencive and consider blasphemous disproven so will even make up or interpret proof with that biased intention.
I actually think Wyatt's mount sinai is the real one but have a look at Har Karkoum and remember the tribe's of Israel wandered for decade's as god toughened them us and made a tainted generation pass away.
You really have no idea how much proof there really IS for the bible.
Did you ever consider this is what Jesus Christ wanted to do?
The Bhavishya Mahapurana, one of the eighteen major Hindu texts, is believed to originate from 115AD. If this date is accurate, it dates to a similar time as the Gospels that make up the New Testament. The text begins with the King Shalivahan, also known as Gautamiputra Satakarni, coming across an auspicious man in Laddakh in Kashmir, dressed in white with fair skin. King Shalivahan’s reign was from 78 to 102AD. When asked by the King who he was the man replies: ‘I am called a son of God, born of a virgin, minister of the non-believers, relentless in search of the truth.’