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A Change with the New Testament?
Some Fundamentalists argue that this usage changed with the New Testament—that while it may have been permissible to call certain men "father" in the Old Testament, since the time of Christ, it’s no longer allowed. This argument fails for several reasons.
First, as we’ve seen, the imperative "call no man father" does not apply to one’s biological father. It also doesn’t exclude calling one’s ancestors "father," as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac."
Second, there are numerous examples in the New Testament of the term "father" being used as a form of address and reference, even for men who are not biologically related to the speaker. There are, in fact, so many uses of "father" in the New Testament, that the Fundamentalist interpretation of Matthew 23 (and the objection to Catholics calling priests "father") must be wrong, as we shall see.
Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).
The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers."
Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
I always wondered about why Catholics do "Hail Mary" prayers on the rosary instead of to God
Does this answer from the RC Church satisfy you?
Children in the sense of them being under their care spiritually. But, none of their followers called them "Father" in the Bible.
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
The reason is because they changed them by deleting the 2nd commandment, which states in Exodus 20:4-6…
You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; but bestowing mercy down to the thousandth generation, on the children of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20 4-6, New American Bible)
originally posted by: adjensen
a reply to: knoledgeispower
I always wondered about why Catholics do "Hail Mary" prayers on the rosary instead of to God
There is no "instead of." We pray to God, and we also, as FlyersFan noted, make prayers of intercession to the saints and Mary and ask them to pray for us. With the net result being more prayers to God on our behalf, not less.
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
The Catholic church is the epitome of apostate Christianity. When there was a scripture that contradicted their man made traditions, they changed it.
The "spirit of Baal" is a powerful and well-organized attempt by Satan to distort Christianity into a religion "in the name of Christianity" but which actually puts people into bondage to him (Satan). It is the driving force behind what the Bible calls "Babylon". It describes many aspects of denominational Christianity today from which our Lord Christ Jesus is now working to deliver His Body. It is a very powerful evil spiritual force, ever trying to distort Christianity into a religion which subtly serves Satan not Christ. It works toward that end by deceiving leaders in the Body of Christ who are serving by the power of their self rather than by Christ indwelling.
Satan's goal is to totally control all areas of human affairs by means of religious control of political and economic leaders. Throughout the Bible, "Babylon" is the term used to refer to his entire "system" to this end, including religious, economic, political and military aspects of his government. "Baal" is the Biblical term used to refer to the religious part of "Babylon". It works in parallel with other evil spiritual forces which work chaos in our economic and political affairs.
Baal as Satan's religious thrust is very ancient, as we said above. It has been Satan's strategy since the time of ancient Babylon to captivate mankind into a false religious system under his control. Satan comes in as the subtle deceiver. As Paul points out in Ephesians chapter 2, we are then actually under his "slave-ownership", by default if not by actual choice on our part.
The Deceit Of Baal: Deception Through Religion
Why did the Roman Catholic Church change the Ten Commandments written in the Bible? They took away the second commandment, “You shall not make for yourself an idol.” God prohibited idolatry through the commandment, “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below, and you shall not bow down to them or worship them.” However, the Catholic Church set up cross images, and made and worshiped Mary and Saints statues. They have a doctrine that contradicts the commandment, “You shall not make idols.” In the eyes of the Catholic Church, the 2nd commandment was a prickly one. After all, they took away the 2nd commandment.
They also changed the 4th commandment from “Keep the Sabbath day” to “Keep the Lord’s Day.” If the Sabbath were the same day with Sunday which is called the “Lord’s Day,” they would not have changed it to “Keep the Lord’s Day.” The Roman Catholic Church introduced the Sunday service into the church. They had no choice but to change the Ten Commandments in order to stick to the day of sun-worship.
The Roman Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments
What if a church which claims to believe in God changed the laws of God? The Roman Catholic Church changed the laws of God; even the Ten Commandments. Why did they change the Ten Commandments written in the Bible? It’s because they wanted to hide their non-biblical acts: idolatry. God strictly forbade the act of idolatry through the second commandment: “Yfoou shall not make for yourself an idol.” But the Roman Catholic Church has introduced and worshiped idols within the Church. Also, the Roman Church abolished the feasts of God such as the Passover and the Sabbath day. Instead, they introduced Sunday and Christmas which originated from pagan customs to worship sun-god.
Why did the Roman Catholic Church change the Ten Commandments?
The Catholic religion's "traditional way" of enumerating the ten commandments takes away the second commandment (against making images unto ourselves) and makes the 10th commandment into two commandments. If you follow them all the way down from the second commandment you'll see the Catholic religion is always one ahead of the King James. Finally at the tenth commandment they break it into two and make it the 9th and 10th commandments. What deception! What deceit! What guile! I tell no lies here--just get out the Bible and compare. They contradict their own unauthorized Bible by taking away the second commandment! They reject the commandment of God so that they can keep their own tradition. www.jesus-is-lord.com...
How can they delete a commandment and still have ten? Some man might ask me, "If the Catholic religion deletes a commandment how do they still come up with ten commandments?
Let's compare the Catholic ten commandments to the real ten commandments from the good ol' King James Bible, that pillar of doctrinal truth (God loves the truth, you know). The following list on the Catholic side is taken from a textbook used in a Catholic school. It is titled, "Growing in Christian Morality" by Julia Ahlers, Barbara Allaire, and Carl Koch, page 40. It has both nihil obstat and imprimatur which are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of Catholic doctrinal error. The authors of this book know these commandments are deceitful. Look at what they say:
...These are the Ten Commandments, from Exodus, chapter 20, in the traditional way they are enumerated by Catholics They did NOT use what THEIR NRSV said, they "enumerated" them the traditional way enumerated by Catholics. You see the reason the Catholic religion killed people with Bibles is 'cause their deception is just too easy to see in light of God's word. Just a little more mumbo-jumbo gumbo for your consideration... www.jesus-is-savior.com...
1) I am the Lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4) Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not murder.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.
10) Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor. (Source)