September 18th, Scotlands date with destiny...

a reply to: grainofsand

Are you going to continue with the BS talk of how great and enlighten you are, or stick to the discussion?

Maybe Scotland might join Scandinavian Monetary Union. Who knows..? They could make their own currency and changes rates as they please.

The UK is part of the EU. I still wonder what's up with the Scottish. What's so wrong with the UK? What's the point on having such a small country in EU? They will virtually have no influence over anything... Maye they will beg to rejoin UK, who knows...

a reply to: VashKonnor
You are appearing to sideline the discussion by focusing on me. Perhaps it is an indication of an inferiority complex on your part.
I shall dismiss you from now on though, I do not wish to pollute this thread any further with silly bickering resulting from your emotionally inspired personal claims about me.
Good day...and have that cup of tea, honestly it can help.

a reply to: elixz

The UK is part of the EU. I still wonder what's up with the Scottish. What's so wrong with the UK? What's the point on having such a small country in EU? They will virtually have no influence over anything... Maye they will beg to rejoin UK, who knows...

That's what I don't understand and that's why I would love to have the input of a scottish in this thread.

Clearly the EU is just an official way of applying the monetary systems evenly across the whole Europe, while sucking dry the poorest countries.

There's very little to gain from joining. So why the eagerness to depart from the UK? Although the UK is in the EU, it has made some very clever exception rules, like keeping the £, which has paid off tremendously, maintaining the UK has the pivotal economy in Europe.

People assume Germany is this great super-power. It isn't. They got their debt forgiven two or three times in the past 15 years alone.

Yes... Germany had it's debt forgiven. A huge debt.

Why don't the smaller countries have theirs forgiven too, and we save millions of people from economic suffering? That's what everyone should be asking.

And looking into things with that perspective, why would Scotland prefer the unknown to the known and safer route?

Does someone in Scotland knows something we don't? lol

a reply to: VashKonnor

The Oil

I guess the Scottish haven't heard about the Dutch diesease?

originally posted by: grainofsand
Certainly if they vote to stay and serious 'devo-max' discussions begin, then it will be difficult to argue against an English parliament which makes decisions without any influence from Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MP's over solely English affairs.

Hmmm... correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the previous UK (British?) government

have a Scottish Prime Minister AND a Scottish Chancellor of the

Exchequer

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Rob48


I still won't accept Scottish notes for payment when I can't know if they are fake or not, and most folk I know here feel the same - again, it won't make much difference to us 'down here'

Eh, you test for fake Scottish notes the same way you test for English notes...they are all made at the same mint, so that excuse doesn't wash with me.
i've left £60 worth of shopping bagged at a checkout because some trumped up arsehole decided my Scottish money wasn't good enough. if you dont want our custom we can always go elsewhere....have you any idea how belittling your approach to Scottish notes can make someone feel.

Maybe we should adopt your approach up here and use the same pish excuse when you hand over your (forged) English notes.

a reply to: eletheia
That is quite true.
And maybe people have forgotten about the introduction of fees for university students in England.
It was the votes of Scottish MP's tipping the balance in the house of Commons that meant English students pay a tuition fee while Scottish students do not. Yes, it has always been an unfair situation since devolution that Scottish MP's have a vote over solely English affairs while English MP's have no influence over solely Scottish affairs.

'Devo-max' could be excellent if all the home nations had to play by the same rules. Right now Scottish MP's can influence solely English matters, let's hope whatever the decision in September that this unjust situation at least is dealt with properly.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Does it offend you that I do not wish to take the risk of accepting Scottish notes which I do not visually recognise in any way. Get over it man, I can accept whatever I like for payment of my services, and if I don't know the notes are not fake then I won't take them.
If I lose business from it then so be it, but it is a business decision I make, which if it causes you some emotional distress that is unfortunate, but I shall not worry about that too much.
Most sole-traders and small businesses I know won't take Scottish notes down here, take them to Tesco's or whatever who can afford the hit if they are fake.

*Edit*
And you won't hear me bitching and suffering any emotional distress if I'm in Scotland and a small Scottish business does not want to take my notes issued by the Bank of England. It is a business decision, nothing more. I would just go to the nearest ATM to get Scottish notes, and there would be no tears running down my face as if I have been belittled. But then, I don't generally look to seeing myself as a victim in life.

originally posted by: elixz
a reply to: VashKonnor

The Oil

I guess the Scottish haven't heard about the Dutch diesease?

I think Scotland has the same problem as Spain and Portugal, there are evidence of great reserves around them, but they are extremely costly to explore.

I'm sorry, what Dutch disease? (I'm not Scottish )

Well I'm Scottish. From the Highlands.

A YES vote would be a good thing. Scotland still has some rich resources that could help in a big way. Unfortunately at the moment most of our resources go to prop Westminister up.

I agree and disagree with Independence. I have some reservations about the SNP leading Scotland to independence. I don't think Salmond and his cronies have the Scottish people's interests at heart. I think they are playing along to Westminister's plans. I read in their website that the want to keep the Queen as Head of State. Yeah ok. So they want the German Illuminati Queen to leech off us for longer.

And they want Scotland to join the EU. Ukraine? Cyprus? Greece? Croatia? Do any of these countries ring a bell? Taken over by the EU then bankrupted and in the case of Ukraine being led to a war by the EU and US against Russia?

The same Nazi Fascists that created the EU are the same Nazi's from WW2. And they are the same Nazi's that control England through their Nazi Royal Family!

That's why I have reservations against Independence with the SNP.

a reply to: grainofsand



It was that Scots led government who left the country in an economical

mess.... Remember the note left by Liam Burns? for the incoming

government >>>> "Sorry there's no money left"


So I hope for Scotland's sake, that if they do leave the UK, they make

a better job of the Scottish economy LOL!! and with a currency

of their own !!! ... not the British £

a reply to: VashKonnor

I not Scottish either...

And I he cost Depends on how the policy in the country will be. We can use Norway as a example.

The oil Rich Norway With it's vast sea Territory and oil, Fish and Paradise hotel, that is Our main exports
exploring is costly, but what most countries do is give License to a oil drilling/Exploration Company on a certain area to try find oil deposits.

The case With Norway is that they tax very high 68-75% + carboon tax. It's so high, but competition is still present, because those Companies still make a high profit!


Dutch disease, rapid wealth increase in a country because of profit making from Resources, and because of that other industres become less importent and when those Resources come to an end, kabomb!

Check the wiki, they have better explanation...

a reply to: grainofsand
How do you check for fake English Notes..??? or dont you get them down there.?

a reply to: eletheia
I genuinely hope that if the Scots vote to leave the union that they make a success of it.
And I look forward to the end of Scots MP's having no more influence over solely English issues.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Oh come on, you're being silly now.
I have pretty much used solely cash for the last decade, I handle it every day and visually recognise it, as well as my hands knowing the very feel of the paper. Yes I've had a fake £20 slip through a bundle of notes in the past, but Bank of England money passes through my hands every day, whereas Scottish notes do not.

You appear to be desperate for something to whinge about now. I've already said that if the same happened to me by a small business in Scotland it would not affect me emotionally or in any other way, I'd just get some Scottish notes. It is a business decision and their right to accept whatever they like for payment.
I know some small businesses who take Euro's from the tourists, I do not do that either - For the same reason that I do not usually handle it.
If I lose your business or the business of any Scot as a result then I don't care. It is my business decision to make, as it is the choice of any business north of the border.

originally posted by: elixz
Maybe Scotland might join Scandinavian Monetary Union. Who knows..? They could make their own currency and changes rates as they please.



The UK is part of the EU. I still wonder what's up with the Scottish. What's so wrong with the UK? What's the point on having such a small country in EU? They will virtually have no influence over anything... Maye they will beg to rejoin UK, who knows...

It all depends on your point of view. It is pretty much an even call as to how the vote will go. There is nothing up with the Scottish, what is so wrong with having a referendum? One would think we were declaring war. I think there is a little jealousy somehow that we might escape the clutches of Westminster. Why have so many English got their backs up. In reality if they have nothing positive to say then they should really just butt out. It's not their call.

The UK is part of the EU but the people want a referendum on that but poiticians will not give it.

The SNP, the current Scottish government has set out some sort of idiotic vision for the future of Scotland. They want to keep the pound, stay in Europe and keep the monarchy. All detrimental to our future prosperity. If we gain independence the election that follows may surprise our politicians and let's not forget, Scotland has a small population and an unpopular government won't last long.

We are also a socialist country currently ruled by a conservative government. Westminster regardless of who is in power, is a corrupt institution we cannot change it but we can unhitch our wagon.

The UK's influence in the EU comes insiduously from the City of London not from Westminster. They have no apparent influence at all.

originally posted by:midicon

The SNP, the current Scottish government has set out some sort of idiotic vision for the future of Scotland. They want to keep the pound, stay in Europe and keep the monarchy. All detrimental to our future prosperity.

LOL!!.. In a nut shell ....


When I watch or listen to Alex Salmond and his side kick they always appear

"power hungry" to me, and reminiscent of my grandchildren when they

received their first salaries and thought they were 'well solvent' lol...

That is till they paid rent, phones, utilities, council taxes etc. and were

left with very little, till the next pay check...............

originally posted by: VashKonnor
a reply to: elixz

People assume Germany is this great super-power. It isn't. They got their debt forgiven two or three times in the past 15 years alone.

Yes... Germany had it's debt forgiven. A huge debt.

Really going to have to ask for a source on this.

edit on 7-8-2014 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)

a reply to: djz3ro

Have seen absolutely nothing in any debate or discussion that would suggest any firm of civic violence breaking out as a result of the referendum regardless of result.

Ob the contrary I think the whole process has been a model if free democratic debate.