Israel admits HAMAS didn't kidnap the 3 Israeli teens after all

originally posted by: daaskapital

The resolutions may not have worked, but the Palestinians do have a right to self determination. There are no ifs or buts about it.

Yes, and by electing Hamas they made their choice. Choices have consequences. They should choose peace.

Question -
Why are people ignoring Egypt?

Egypt shares a border with Gaza. Egypt closed their border with Gaza.

Hamas should stop launching missiles into Israel without any regards for what they are aiming for. Another issue I see people ignoring in this thread.

Israel was not an hour old when the surrounding Arab nations attacked. Through the years Arab nations tried, unsuccessfully, to end Israel. In the process Arab nations lost territory.

Here is a historical point people should pay attention to.

The Sinai - captured by Israel. It was returned to Egypt when Egypt recognized Israels right to exist and established relations with them.

The Golan Heights - captured by Israel. Israel has made peace overtures over the years to Syria regarding the Golan Heights. Israel was willing to return it in exchange for recognition and a peace treaty. Syria has rejected those offers.

With the exception of Egypt and Jordan, no middle east / North African countries recognize Israel. People complain about the aid Israel receives yet remain quiet on the aid Hamas receives.

To ignore the issue of Hamas launching missiles into Israel, targeting cities indiscriminately, while taking Israel to task for trying to stop those rockets is backwards.

The Ayatollah in Iran, again, called for the destruction of Israel. Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel. Hezbollah calls for the destruction of Israel.

I cant say I have ever seen an Israeli government calling for the destruction of an Arab / N. African nation. Its impossible to reach a peace deal and sovereign Palestinian state when the group that controls Gaza has no interest in peace.

It takes 2 to tango.

Hamas's motto says it all -
"We love death".

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

There is no limit at which governments will use false flags to achieve their end game. Taking human life is just another means to invoke fear and anger from an unknowing public. Governments all over the world are abusing their power and taking innocent lives, all for their secret agendas. If governments are not held accountable or kept in check, and truths of their corruption are ever realized by it's citizens, government uprisings will continue to increase all over the world. Governments will no longer be looked at as enforcing law and order and protection, but as an evil entity whose time will end.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Question - Why are people ignoring Egypt?

why? because the government is a US puppet government that's why!!

a reply to: WeRpeons

Can you show me where Israel admitted this?

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

"Responsible for" is not the same as "did"

I blame the education system

a reply to: bjarneorn

HAMAS didn't kidnap the 3 teenagers, but they are responsible for it. As HAMAS represents the major factor of so called palestinians.

by that way of thinking the American government represents the major factor of the so called American people...so therefor the people are responsible for their governments actions....nice one

this news is not really a surprise those in power love a good war as it makes so much money at the expense of the innocent

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bjarneorn

HAMAS didn't kidnap the 3 teenagers, but they are responsible for it. As HAMAS represents the major factor of so called palestinians.

by that way of thinking the American government represents the major factor of the so called American people...so therefor the people are responsible for their governments actions....nice one

this news is not really a surprise those in power love a good war as it makes so much money at the expense of the innocent

Horrible analogy, you have it 100% backwards.

If the American Government indoctrinated it's population through the education system to hate specific groups of people and the people act on that hatred, the Government is responsible.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bjarneorn

HAMAS didn't kidnap the 3 teenagers, but they are responsible for it. As HAMAS represents the major factor of so called palestinians.

by that way of thinking the American government represents the major factor of the so called American people...so therefor the people are responsible for their governments actions....nice one

this news is not really a surprise those in power love a good war as it makes so much money at the expense of the innocent

Horrible analogy, you have it 100% backwards.

If the American Government indoctrinated it's population through the education system to hate specific groups of people and the people act on that hatred, the Government is responsible.

it is called tongue in cheek

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I read both links but didn't find an actual statement from Israeli officials. Did I miss it? No link to any official sources saying this either.

I would like to see who said it when. I'm not doubting you, I have believed this was a false flag all along. Just would like to see the exact Israeli statement.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Israel was not an hour old when the surrounding Arab nations attacked. Through the years Arab nations tried, unsuccessfully, to end Israel. In the process Arab nations lost territory.

It's nice how you left out that Israel wasn't an hour old when they started ethnic cleansing the land. Also the leader of the Arab armies gave strict orders that Israel proper was not to be invaded. And look into a little speech made by son of a former General of Israel at that time he says the invading of Arabs is a load of BS.

Ummmmm....IS *ISI *ISIS *ISL took credit days, nay weeks ago.

Jihadist group takes credit for teens’ killings

ISIS group loudly claims responsibility for murdered Israeli teens, yet Israel bombs Gaza anyway

The ISIS “Islamic State” Not Hamas Claimed Responsibility for Murder of Three Israeli Boys

The New York Times also reported on Wednesday [probably July 9 here]:

On Tuesday evening, Israel’s antimissile system, called Iron Dome, intercepted a rocket “over the Tel Aviv area,” the army said, showing the reach of Gazan rocketry. The rocket was believed to be of Iranian design, a Fajr-5, and Islamic Jihad claimed credit. Tel Aviv opened some public shelters, and in a city near Tel Aviv, Rishon LeZion, people were instructed to leave the beach.

So, if this is true, everyone ignored it, the media, Israel. And now Israel kinda sorta has to admit it wasn't Hamas, no? Quietly of course, as is how they will admit they bombed the school "by accident." Tragic "accident." That's how they roll.

But hey, don't let that stop you from a good war, Israel. How about now you go take on the real perpetrators and not your usual go-to?

This is pretty interesting reading too: Invading Iraq 2.0: ISIS Propaganda, Proxy Wars and US-NATO’s ‘Blitzkrieg

The fact that Israel is kept in the shadows of media coverage regarding these events is telling. The Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham or ISIS, complete with masked identities, making advances since Israel’s air strikes on Syria, which appear to have provided air coverage for the terrorists. An SCF Altai tanker delivered a large amount of Kurdish oil to Israel for the first time on June 20th, and many believe this is directly attributed to the terror controlled oil field’s in Iraq. An Israeli energy ministry declined to disclose a comment on the crude oil deal with the Kurdish Regional Government. It should be stated that Iraq has boycotted Israel and has no official oil contract with them.

Wbo really knows who's doing what to whom.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: daaskapital
The murder of 3 Israeli teenagers ultimately led to the assaults on Gaza and the killings of nearly 900 Palestinians.

Of course you ignore the thousands of rockets fired at Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza over the years....

Now we have the so called "lone cell" bull crap! Why didn't Hamas stand right up at that point and say "Hay"?

This is just a ploy folks wake up. An excuse for the several Palestinian radical groups operating in the area and Hamas to claim a sort of plausible deniability. Even if the Israelis know this and admitted this it amounts to nothing like it is spun by these press outlets. So Hamas proper didn't do it big deal.

Israel is in quite a pickle isn't it. They can't exterminate the "Gazans" outright, that would be to obvious. Yet every time they oppress their "subjects" they increase the broiling resentment within the prison walls of the land of Gaza.

Now wonder Israel is so paranoid. NO wonder they make up excuses.

If the piss and sugar rocket factory can somehow find it in their souls not to retaliate with their puny firework display, the proponents of mass murder perpetrated on them would have less ammo for the media grist mill to further justify their destruction.

Every time a bottle rocket goes off there arises a clamor of terror and revenge. Oh look another evil KKKKKKKamas!

Attaaack!

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I can't see ISIS-ISIL committing the murders. Firstly the car that was apparently found had Israeli Number Plates and the person who picked them up spoke in Hebrew.

Basic explanation of why Arabs couldn't be responsible for the murderers

This is very handy in barriers; yellow cars are allowed to pass while others are checked. It is also very convenient for those hitchhiking. No Jewish hitchhiker will board a car that is not Israeli. This is the most basic rule, unlikely to have been broken by West Bank settlers.

Thus, the three were kidnapped by an Israeli car. The car found was probably the one used for the kidnapping. It had yellow plates and thus was trusted. The driver must have spoken Hebrew with a good enough accent; speaking with the driver is the second strict rule.

I don't know about the source but it is still a pretty good explanation.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

There is absolutely nothing in either source to support the claims being made.

Non-plagiarizing BuzzFeed writer Sheera Frenkel was among the first to suggest that it was unlikely that Hamas was behind the deaths of Gilad Shaar, Naftali Frenkel, and Eyal Yifrach. Citing Palestinian sources and experts the field, Frenkel reported that kidnapping three Israeli teens would be a foolish move for Hamas. International experts told her it was likely the work of a local group, acting without concern for the repercussions:

Anonymous sources, Palestinian sources, field experts, international experts.

Even the last sentence undermines your argument.

At no point in either article does it prove Israel made this comment.

Those sources had to deal with her contention that the kidnappings would be a dumb move for Hamas. Israeli police then admitted the kidnappings were not the work of Hamas. See:

Israeli police official refutes claim that Hamas kidnapped Israeli teens

On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a “lone cell.” Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas’ leadership had ordered the kidnapping, “they'd have known about it in advance.”

It's a point of contention to say that it was the work of a 'lone cell' still alluding every evil or criminal act is terrorism. Israeli's responded by kidnapping a young teen and burning them alive. Which Israeli 'terrorist cell' was responsible for that? Israel, instead of treating like a criminal case, made it into an excuse for war.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Lone cell. Ri-ight.

a reply to: zardust

The communication was between Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, and BBC journalist Jon Donnison, per link above.

Let me help you out here Bro/Sis/whatever..

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

It was is always a false flag by the Zionists.

See my signature.
Now how am I not shocked?
Always the eternal victim by design...

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

This information was already out there and known but the MSM/politicians lead the sheep astray once again and the people ate it up. In fact, because of the right wing Israeli led Govts lies and rantings an innoncent Palestinian boy was kidnapped and burned alive but the most devious act to come from this are the rising death tolls in Gaza which has reached over 1,000.

Hamas never took credit for killing those boys and since when doesn't Hamas take credit for a kill? Hamas did disgustingly praise those who did murder those 3 innocent Israeli teens. Is Israel looking for the killers? Nah, last I heard they rounded up Hamas and arresed them for those murders. So the question is, who killed those boys? Was it the Palestinians or a false flag?