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Woah woah.. you mean until the US and EU backed a violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. They wanted a west friendly Ukraine instead of a Russian ally.
They take down a few planes and choppers every week.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow
Woah woah.. you mean until the US and EU backed a violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. They wanted a west friendly Ukraine instead of a Russian ally.
You do know how much bullsnip that is right ?
Considering the Ukraine wanted to join Nato.
Relations between Ukraine and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1994.[1] Ukraine applied to join the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] On December 3, 2008 NATO decided it will work out an Annual National Programme of providing assistance to Ukraine to implement reforms required to accede the alliance without referring to MAP.
Over time, Ukraine has reinforced political dialogue and practical cooperation with NATO and, since Russia’s illegal military intervention in Crimea, NATO and Ukraine have agreed to intensify this cooperation. NATO supports a range of initiatives in Ukraine, while Ukraine contributes to NATO’s missions in Afghanistan and Kosovo, and in 2013 became the first partner country to contribute to the NATO-led counter-piracy operation Ocean Shield. The formal basis for NATO-Ukraine relations is the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC), and the Declaration to Complement the Charter, signed in 2009.
The fundamental documents of Ukraine-NATO relations are the Charter on a Distinctive Partnership between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, signed on 9 July 1997, and the Declaration to Complement the Charter, signed on 21 August 2009. The Law of Ukraine “On the Foundations of Domestic and Foreign Policy”, adopted on 1 July 2010, reflected Ukraine’s intention as a European non-block state to continue constructive partnership with NATO. Based on this course the National Security Strategy of Ukraine (8 June 2012) has been updated. The Alliance confirmed its readiness to further develop the partnership with Ukraine in the new Strategic Concept adopted at the NATO Lisbon Summit (November, 2010) and the NATO Chicago Summit Declaration (May, 2012).
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Sparkymedic
What ?
Do people just make crap up as they go along ?
Because it sounds like A HELL of alot of people do it.
READ:
Relations between Ukraine and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1994.[1] Ukraine applied to join the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] On December 3, 2008 NATO decided it will work out an Annual National Programme of providing assistance to Ukraine to implement reforms required to accede the alliance without referring to MAP.
en.wikipedia.org...
In 2008.
From NATO's own site:
Over time, Ukraine has reinforced political dialogue and practical cooperation with NATO and, since Russia’s illegal military intervention in Crimea, NATO and Ukraine have agreed to intensify this cooperation. NATO supports a range of initiatives in Ukraine, while Ukraine contributes to NATO’s missions in Afghanistan and Kosovo, and in 2013 became the first partner country to contribute to the NATO-led counter-piracy operation Ocean Shield. The formal basis for NATO-Ukraine relations is the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC), and the Declaration to Complement the Charter, signed in 2009.
www.nato.int...
The fundamental documents of Ukraine-NATO relations are the Charter on a Distinctive Partnership between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, signed on 9 July 1997, and the Declaration to Complement the Charter, signed on 21 August 2009. The Law of Ukraine “On the Foundations of Domestic and Foreign Policy”, adopted on 1 July 2010, reflected Ukraine’s intention as a European non-block state to continue constructive partnership with NATO. Based on this course the National Security Strategy of Ukraine (8 June 2012) has been updated. The Alliance confirmed its readiness to further develop the partnership with Ukraine in the new Strategic Concept adopted at the NATO Lisbon Summit (November, 2010) and the NATO Chicago Summit Declaration (May, 2012).
mfa.gov.ua...
Ukraine wanted to be a part of the WEST.
Had the west had real leaders and grant them full member status we wouldn't even be talking about it.
Funny though as NATO was specifically created to keep Russia in check.
Ukraine’s “Democratic Coup d’Etat”: Killing Civilians as a Pretext for Regime Change Global Research, February 26, 2014 With the support of Washington, Ukraine’s opposition “transitional government” headed by the parliament’s speaker Oleksandr Turchinov has issued an arrest warrant directed against the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych, accusing him of having ordered the “mass murder” of civilians during the bloody riots and clashes with police forces on Maidan Independence Square. This “mass murder” for which he is accused bears the fingerprints of the Right Sector and Neo-Nazi party Svoboda, which is supported and financed through various channels by the US and the EU. The Maidan riots as well as the riots organized in other parts of the country were carefully staged with a timeline and specific political objectives in mind. Civilian casualties were part of this staged agenda, with a view to accusing president Yanukovych of “mass murder”, thereby providing a justification for regime change on humanitarian grounds.
originally posted by: victor7
Does not matter if NATO was made to confront communism professed by USSR, or it was made against Russia or against non-Christians or against non-AngloSaxons or against the aliens.......................
What matters is NATO better not expand to the near abroad of Russia i.e. CIS nations.
Russia will react and if required militarily to such an encroachment.
Russia will not live with the strategic redundancy like NATO missiles only 5 minutes from Moscow etc.
I wonder if Kremlin has called the White House and told THEM SERIOUSLY to NOT spend and waste any efforts in this direction....................as it WILL HAVE...........THERMONUCLEAR CONSEQUENCES FOR THE HUMAN RACE.
PERIOD.
a reply to: Vovin
Why would the Americans care? They are arrogant and aggressive. They want to knock down rival powers to ensure economic (thus power) supremacy over world affairs. US economy is on a crash course? The solution is not to fix things at home, but to take out economic rivals. Inherent fallacies of capitalism are not hard to identify.
originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Vovin
Why would the Americans care? They are arrogant and aggressive. They want to knock down rival powers to ensure economic (thus power) supremacy over world affairs. US economy is on a crash course? The solution is not to fix things at home, but to take out economic rivals. Inherent fallacies of capitalism are not hard to identify.
Americans do care, for their people and overall interests.
The problem is the "CLEPTOCRAT BASTARDS" in Kremlin has not seriously conveyed such message to DC. They are themselves more busy looting Russia from within. So far this year $100B of capital has exited Russia via corruption.
Guess Russia was and still is the land of slaves with few elites and the rest all poor barely scraping by. This elitist culture of Russia in any system, be it Tsarist, Communist or Capitalist, impedes overall development of the society. That is why many times in the past the Russia state has collapsed when pressure in put in from outside. That is what NATO/West is doing for last 20 years.
After economic disaster in 1990s, today's Russia is badly stagnating and barely hanging on via the energy prices.
Why would the Americans care? They are arrogant and aggressive.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin
Why would the Americans care? They are arrogant and aggressive.
Unlike Russia who thinks they have a say into who a sovereign nation can deal with just because they were once part of their union.
But that's not considered arrogant or aggressive now is it?