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Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: CCKP72

You nailed it!!! I feel awful for these families, just awful. They should be given the truth even if they won't tell us, the public.....




posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: kayej1188
So it is insane to believe that the biggest coincidence of this century is probably not all that much of a coincidence at heart? I think its insane to honestly think that among the events that you listed there was not a single false flag or conspiracy involved. And in all honesty how many people do you think it would take to accomplish something like this? I'm sure that a properly trained unit of less then 100 people with the right connections and the right leverage could make anything happen.

But thank you for taking this to middle school name calling.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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And I'm pretty sure that passports with cuts and holes are invalid



Tha one Malaysian has a cut in the middle and above is another one with a hole
edit on 17-7-2014 by Hellas because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Hellas

Is that video for real? How would he get everyone's passports that quickly, in order and in such good condition? He would have to have gone through the people's personal belongings while the crews were still looking for surviviors/evidence etc. Just like 9/11 indeed.

Also, no disrepsect intended whatsoever but would bodies stil be intact like that? It was horrible to see.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: princeofpeace
But retired Army Lt. Col Ralph Peters, also a Fox News contributor, said it is unlikely the Russian military would have put missile batteries capable of knocking a plane out of the sky at such an altitude in the hands of rebels.

"It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."

Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft.

"Russia has a small number of elite forces, but most of the Russian military is ill-trained, sloppy and marginally disciplined.," he said. "With no Western response to them shooting down Ukrainian aircraft, they just got trigger happy."


This is a very sensible post.

IF there is going to be any conspiracy behind this crash this will be it, the Russians claiming it was the separatists when it was them either by mistake, malicious intent or mistaken identity.

but again until we know all the facts its way to early to say.

to be fair, the seperatists obtained at least one BUK system from the Ukrainian army in June.
So it could very well have been them and people are claiming to have seen the BUK system near that region



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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Watching French/European media streams.
Unnamed sources at the Quai d'Orsay suggest "20-30 US fatalities" plus "very many EU nationals dead".
NATO ambassadors being summoned for emergency meeting. Dutch PM returning to Amsterdam. Press conference at Schiphol imminent. Malaysian PM statement shortly.

Obama speaking about the disaster. His demeanour is that of a junior manager discussing a minor scalding incident in a workplace canteen, useless prick.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

I really wish that senile old man would shut the hell up,.

What possible good does this sort of commentary accomplish? Sweet swingin' Jesus, people, let's wait 'til there's actually some sort of confirmation, before we go calling for arming people.

Odds are it's a blunder of biblical proportions.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: LeBombDiggity
Watching French/European media streams.
Unnamed sources at the Quai d'Orsay suggest "20-30 US fatalities" plus "very many EU nationals dead".
NATO ambassadors being summoned for emergency meeting. Dutch PM returning to Amsterdam. Press conference at Schiphol imminent. Malaysian PM statement shortly.




Can you link the Schipol conference when it starts by any chance?



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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beginning to think that this aircraft was shot down by an AAM versus SAM system. Not a single image of the missle plume or any cellphone images related to the launch. The usually make a huge cloud of dust and stuff when they go off. I'm wondering if the any of the slow walkers saw the flare? Someone earlier posted regarding a tweet from a purported ATC guy in italy saying that other high performance aircraft where near the target when the incident occured. I would like to see the US put all they're intercept data out on the table right up front.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: aLLeKs

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: princeofpeace
But retired Army Lt. Col Ralph Peters, also a Fox News contributor, said it is unlikely the Russian military would have put missile batteries capable of knocking a plane out of the sky at such an altitude in the hands of rebels.

"It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."

Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft

"Russia has a small number of elite forces, but most of the Russian military is ill-trained, sloppy and marginally disciplined.," he said. "With no Western response to them shooting down Ukrainian aircraft, they just got trigger happy."


This is a very sensible post.

IF there is going to be any conspiracy behind this crash this will be it, the Russians claiming it was the separatists when it was them either by mistake, malicious intent or mistaken identity.

but again until we know all the facts its way to early to say.

to be fair, the seperatists obtained at least one BUK system from the Ukrainian army in June.
So it could very well have been them and people are claiming to have seen the BUK system near that region


yeah i totally agree all i am saying is that if there was to be some kind of conspiracy behind this event that would be it over some massively complex false flag involving MH340

I know that in reality the most plausible explanation is that the separatists shot down this air craft mistaking for a Military plane.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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I don't think any airliner should of been flying over such a dangerous area, in the past few days a few aircraft have been shot down. This changes the whole dynamic of the war in Ukraine, the Europeans will be forced to react.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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So they brought flight 370 out of hiding in Diago Garcia -GOOD CHESS MOVE. a reply to: Zaphod58



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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a Russian translator could come handy, anyone has an idea?

Sry if this has been posted already




posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: intergalactic fire
a reply to: Rosinitiate

this one?



No that's not it nor does it make since to be this 777. All news reports are reporting an in air break up and that video seems to show it exploding on impact. Was this maybe one of the other aircraft over the past week?

ETA: well I looked up from my laptop as saw the video you posted being played on MSNBC which is not the same I saw before. Thankfully I have TEVO. But how can they report an in air break up and show a video of something exploding on the ground?
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: tport17
My local news just said 23 Americans but didn't mention any other nationalities (sorry). They said the manifest was released but I haven't found it.

Also, Obama to speak at 1:10



To add to that, Sky News- loosely quoted from earlier,
280 passengers 15 crew, -known so far-of the total 27 victims are Dutch.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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Vladimir Putin's Jet may have been the target according to an RT source...
It apparently crossed paths with MH17...

But even the experts are saying it's highly speculative and shouldn't be dwelled on until more information is available!!!


295, Rest In Peace!!!



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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The rumors of Ukrainian escort fighters and the altered flight path make me think very much that this is some kind of false flag against the Russian separatists.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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And according to a screenshot being passed around Twitter, rebel leader Igor Strelkov — who many suspect to be a member of the GRU, Russia’s external intelligence service — may have taken credit for shooting down the plane, thinking it was Ukrainian. That theory is being backed by several prominent experts on the region, including Strobe Talbott, president of the Brookings Institution, and former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. “Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet,” McFaul tweet out from his account.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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Obama is a terrible president beyond comprehension....It is obvious Putin and Russian loons did this.Russia gave the loons the advanced weapons to do it.They all ready shot down planes.

People are starting to become treasonous and making up ridiculous conspiracies to much.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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The BBC posts text information as data comes in. This was posted earlier:

19:00: A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it.

www.bbc.co.uk...



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