Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

I'm calling it now.

The "Black Box" will be too damaged to discern any information from.

This will allow all players to fuel speculation, move armies, spend money.

a reply to: tport17

Prepare for public outrage and calls for war. I already hear people demanding a military response here

a reply to: jazzgul

Not very since it was a Malaysian 777. It has sadly kinda became a joke of sorts with some..

These guys seem to have obtained passports in mint condition of the crash site.. Very odd

This is from the video from LifeNews







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A Spanish Air-Traffic Controller based in Ukraine has tweeted a few messages which seems to be saying that the passenger plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets just minutes prior to its 'demolition'... I used google translate so I don't trust the translations to be completely accurate.

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Looks like a Russian TV station was right where the accident took place.

WARNING GRAPHIC!

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Edit: hate me if old

originally posted by: Zandril
a reply to: rustyclutch

If it comes out they fired on this plane knowing that it was civilian, then I would consider them terrorists

No that would only make the people who fired the missile terrorists. Doesn't change the rest of the situation of what's going on in Ukraine. Just means some idiot made things a lot worse.

a reply to: CCKP72

I'm also in agreement. At this point, I don't believe at all, that where they are looking for the 1st missing plane, is not there at all. I'm still sticking with the guy who seen it from the oil rig. I say this because on the map they had us all looking at, there WAS an oil slick near where the man seen the plane blow up in the sky...I was not the only one who mentioned that old oil slick.....Something odd going on. TOO COINCIDENTAL.....

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Just because 'odds' make less likely to happen doesn't mean it will not or cannot.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

this one?

originally posted by: Hellas

These guys seem to have obtained passports in mint condition of the crash site.. Very odd

Everyone knows passports and drivers licenses are indestructable. Ask Chris Dorner.

originally posted by: Eagleyedobserver
Looks like a Russian TV station was right where the accident took place.

WARNING GRAPHIC!

pbs.twimg.com...

Edit: hate me if old

warning dead bodies graphic.

That was too brutal to look at

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Just because 'odds' make less likely to happen doesn't mean it will not or cannot.

true but it does mean that you would have to actually prove they where the same planes.

Starting to speculate that this is some kind of false flag before we have all the facts is absurd.

We should focus on what has actually happening and following the event as it breaks

not all getting excited about the next false flag when we don't really fully understand what has actually happened.

originally posted by: Hellas

These guys seem to have obtained passports in mint condition of the crash site.. Very odd

This is from the video from LifeNews

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well, this is indeed very odd... but finding passports in mint condition seems normal for a crash site, remember 9/11

But retired Army Lt. Col Ralph Peters, also a Fox News contributor, said it is unlikely the Russian military would have put missile batteries capable of knocking a plane out of the sky at such an altitude in the hands of rebels.

"It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."

Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft.

"Russia has a small number of elite forces, but most of the Russian military is ill-trained, sloppy and marginally disciplined.," he said. "With no Western response to them shooting down Ukrainian aircraft, they just got trigger happy."

a reply to: j.r.c.b.

There hasn't been much of any updates on the search as of late either. I think the last I heard was that it would take into 2015, cost too much, blah blah blah. Sweep it under the rug and it will all go away.

Something shady is going on.

My heart is with the victims and their families. So very sad.

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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I don't think it is a false flag. Think you misunderstood. 2 Malaysian planes doesn't make it impossible. They fly there everyday.

a reply to: Hellas

Well well well.....odder still.....thanks for posting

originally posted by: princeofpeace
But retired Army Lt. Col Ralph Peters, also a Fox News contributor, said it is unlikely the Russian military would have put missile batteries capable of knocking a plane out of the sky at such an altitude in the hands of rebels.

"It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."

Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft.

"Russia has a small number of elite forces, but most of the Russian military is ill-trained, sloppy and marginally disciplined.," he said. "With no Western response to them shooting down Ukrainian aircraft, they just got trigger happy."

This is a very sensible post.

IF there is going to be any conspiracy behind this crash this will be it, the Russians claiming it was the separatists when it was them either by mistake, malicious intent or mistaken identity.

but again until we know all the facts its way to early to say.