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Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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The separatist are stating they fear the site will be hit with a rocket attack to destroy evidence




posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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Channel 4 news had screengrabs of the Twitter account of a Seperatist Officer in command of their BUK missile system boasting about having 'warned them to stay out of our skies'.

Tweet was deleted by user after identity of downed aircraft became known.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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Ok after watching the Russian news, here is an update in bullet points of what the Russian news reporting :

-The plane was most likely shot down
-A bag of passports was found at the crash sites
- The rebels do have an IGLA missles but that only able to hit targets up to 5km
- Most likely the plane was shot down with a BUK system
-Ukrainian army did move some BUK systems in the zone just recently
-"Seperatits did get a hold of some BUK systems but they were rendered useless by the Ukrainian army before abandoned.
- Most likely its a mistake by the Ukrainian army due to poor training
- Also due to propaganda that is going in Ukrain that Russian planes flying in Ukrainian airspace the Ukrainian forces were on high alert thus might have cause the incident.

Report ended with no official data so far . However Kiev will investigate further .



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: MarsIsRed
The BBC posts text information as data comes in. This was posted earlier:

19:00: A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Proof they are liars right there.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: Zandril
The separatist are stating they fear the site will be hit with a rocket attack to destroy evidence


Is that code for hurry up and hit it?



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: Jobeycool

No one will ever going to take you serious if you make accusations like that without presenting not ONE proof.

People are not making any "ridiculous conspiracies", we are just using our brains and facts that we currently have and working with it. It wouldn't be serious if we would point our fingers at someone without knowing more details.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Zandril
The separatist are stating they fear the site will be hit with a rocket attack to destroy evidence


Is that code for hurry up and hit it?


Precisely.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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What is shooting from the crash site? it wont embed!
www.youtube.com...

edit on 17-7-2014 by haven123 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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Well okay, we know the Russian media are lying then. No way was a 'bag of passports' found intact at the site so quickly.
edit on 17-7-2014 by Painterz because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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Obama lives in some clueless wonderful fantasy land.These whackos in Ukraince have sprayed NAZI symbols on downed planes.NEO-NAZIS all through the uprising.Putin all ready visited the Crimea Russian seperatist.

Obviously they are liars.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Zandril
The separatist are stating they fear the site will be hit with a rocket attack to destroy evidence


Of course, missiles launcher have logs too!



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Why are civilian planes flying over a warzone in which anti-aircraft weapon use is rampant? An AN-26 was shot down flying at 20,000 feet the other day. So, everyone knew this was possible. It was reported by CNN(so take it with a grain of salt) that the route of the plane was changed to avoid thunderstorms, taking it over the warzone. There are several possibilities.
1. The Ukrainians ordered the plane to fly over the warzone and shot it down to blame it on the rebels.
2. The Ukrainians ordered the plane to fly over the warzone hoping that the rebels would shoot it down.
3. The plane was not shot down. The plane was brought down in a similar manner to the way the other Malaysian flight was brought down to pin the blame on a rebel shoot down.

I'm going with scenario 3, because the video does not show a smoke trail consistent with a missile, and a bomb was not used because there was fuel still onboard judging by the explosion.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Why are civilian planes flying over a warzone in which anti-aircraft weapon use is rampant? An AN-26 was shot down flying at 20,000 feet the other day. So, everyone knew this was possible. It was reported by CNN(so take it with a grain of salt) that the route of the plane was changed to avoid thunderstorms, taking it over the warzone. There are several possibilities.
1. The Ukrainians ordered the plane to fly over the warzone and shot it down to blame it on the rebels.
2. The Ukrainians ordered the plane to fly over the warzone hoping that the rebels would shoot it down.
3. The plane was not shot down. The plane was brought down in a similar manner to the way the other Malaysian flight was brought down to pin the blame on a rebel shoot down.

I'm going with scenario 3, because the video does not show a smoke trail consistent with a missile, and a bomb was not used because there was fuel still onboard judging by the explosion.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Black box found by the whacko Russian seperatist,which means Putin will munipulate this info and lie about it.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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According to RIA Novosti, eyewitnesses stated there were fighter jets around (Ukrainian SU-25's). The anti aircraft stationed in a town nearby has a range of 5 km while the plane was flying about 10 km's.
en.ria.ru...



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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Listening to BBC radio 5 live coverage of the golf now ( The coverage was about the MA MH17 for a couple of hours) anyway,
About 20 mins ago, they cut the coverage of the golf to go to Obama giving a statement on MA MH17.
Only he's not talking about the plane he's joking about a signature of Jack Lew's, that it looks like a caterpillar or something.
About 45 seconds you can hear Obama joking about it, then it cuts back to the golf with a person saying sorry about that folks, We cut there at the wrong time, we will go back when the statement becomes relevant.
It just seemed really odd Obama joking when he is meant to be giving a serious statement.

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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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Apparently the russians NEVER update they're play book. Kind of hard to do when your always broke I know. Just spoe to one of my old friends from my telecom days. he was a colonel in the russian army. he commanded a AAA brigade. he says he thinks it probably wasn't a SAM either. he thinks it might have been a device on board. the plane came down too intact from 33000 feet after that kind of SAM attack. Regarding the change the play book remark? Starting to look and feel ominously like KAL 007. Wondering how many NATO PARPRO airframes may have been drifting about in the area at the time. Not out of the realm of possibility there may have been a "pod" in the luggage bay of the 777 and the word got out. That's on thing about spook stuff that always makes my skin crawl. the idea of intentiaonally installing covert collection systems on civil airlines is a known and proven practice in SIGINT/PHOTINT/RADINT doctrines. this ould definitely be "beyond the pale", but it wouldn't be the first time. It's been happening since Pre-WWII . I think the plane may have been literally SHOT down with a gun vice a SAM
edit on 7172014 by tencap77 because: spelling / content



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Well okay, we know the Russian media are lying then. No way was a 'bag of passports' found intact at the site so quickly.


Please... Lockerbie?

Passports all over the place and DIA crawling over the luggage before even the UK Police got to the area.

What it does make a mockery of though is Shanksville site.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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Souls aboard? What next? "a large cache of good karma and bright auras was shot down"

The insurance won't cover it because over there an act of god is called an act of allah. lol
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Zandril
The separatist are stating they fear the site will be hit with a rocket attack to destroy evidence


They are also claiming to have found the black box.

It is also being reported they posted on social media climbing responsibility for downing a craft, then deleted the post when the claim a malaysian craft was downed.......



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