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Are you saying Malus' Law and/or the online calculator for it are wrong?
So why don't you wait until it's done before burdening us with your statements which have no math or predictive power to back them up?
It's a fact you provide no math or quantitative analysis to back up what you say, and then you contradict yourself by saying the math is already done and is correct.
originally posted by: KrzYma
" burdening us with your statements" ?? this is just your perception of what I'm saying...
about the math... well.. it is already done...
check the math for space-time...
the thing is.. it is correct, just the interpretation what it is causing it is WRONG !
The picture I have is one of you contradicting yourself. You say the math is done?
listen... gravity
I told you more than once, that +1 and -1 counts as 0 for charge, but it is 2 for the field density
I also told that the field density is related to the sped of EM propagation.
I have explained the so called "gravitational lensing" some hundred pages back here...
but you sill ignore this..
OK, so how does gravity work...
let say there is some big number of charged particles on the right. (big mass)
and some other charges on the left, but much less. (little mass)
so.. the gradient in the field goes from right decreasing to left.. get the picture ?
because EM propagates slower is higher E density than lower E density, and the ( let me use QM now so you can comprehend ) "photon distribution probability" has to be more on the right than the left... the "photons" are more on the right.
.. you still following ?
so the attraction between the charged particles goes more right than left, because they move "slower" in higher density, so they attract each other "longer" on the right than on the left...
do have the picture now ? ...all shifted to the right
this is gravity
I have no idea how this research is supposed to fit into your gravity from charges explanation when neutrinos don't have any charge but appear to have gravitational effects. Their mass is very small, but there are a lot of them.
Our results suggest that neutrinos make up between 3% and 5% of the total dark matter mass. This is sufficient to consistently reproduce a wide variety of observations – including the new gravitational lensing measurements.
I'm replying to this old post on relativistic mass, a topic that has come up several times in this thread, because I found an interesting video from Don Lincoln at Fermilab which talks about this and more or less agrees with what mbkennel says.
originally posted by: mbkennel
People don't use 'relativistic mass' any more. It was a mistake, even Einstein tried to stamp it out. The right idea is to modify Newton's laws appropriately, so that the relationship between momentum and velocity is not as simple.
I imagine the Feynman lectures will be around for a while and I don't see the relativistic mass being edited out completely, but maybe someday they might at least add a note about the concept being phased out. I also see the concept in other places, like this relativity calculator:
originally posted by: mbkennel
Have you read the Feynman Lectures on Physics yet?
As already mentioned Einstein objected to the idea that mass increases for an object in motion, contrary to what this relativity calculator says, but the misconception is understandable considering that some textbooks and physicists still hang on the the idea. #1 should be an increase in momentum and energy, instead of an increase in mass.
This was formulated by the German-American physicist and mathematician Albert Einstein (1879-1955) in his Special Theory of Relativity. Basically, an object in motion undergoes 3 relativistic changes:
1) An increase in mass
2) A contraction in the direction of travel (Lorentz Transformation) and
3) A "slowing down" of time. (Time Dilation)
It's possible, nobody knows if it's finite or infinite.
originally posted by: Tlbablo
It has crossed my mind that if the universe is possibly infinite.
The origin of the cbr is thought to be the big bang, which I would call a theory rather than a fable. We have little understanding of the big bang itself and the first fraction of a second after it, but the more time progresses from the big bang the more we think our theories might explain. I don't know about white holes, they might exist or they might as you said be "fabled".
Considering the speed of light with both the observable universe and cosmic background radiation. The cbr would only have travelled from the moment of the event.
The event I speak of is that of perhaps the fabled white hole, where matter, or more likely energy is spewed. Or something which we have no understanding.
Physicists don't like "singularities" which is another way of saying we don't really understand what's going on, like in the big bang or the center of black holes. Those questions about other universes are profound and we have every right to ask them, but I think we should realize that the answers might be unknowable and therefore until that changes, the topic doesn't have a sound scientific foundation which could be verified by observation or experiment.
As particles pop in and out of existence in a vacuum, could singularities? Our universe like a bubble in an infinite plane of nothing. Or maybe it happens a lot and this would give the basis of the multiverse theory with multiple bubbles exist on an infinite plane/mebrane.
You mean three more questions, but that's fine. I don't really understand what you mean by this question though. The "observable universe" is the limit of the universe that can be observed; it's not the limit of the actual universe which as you said could be infinite. We don't know what lies beyond the observable universe.
My three questions are:
Why, considering the possible distances would only the visible universe be the limits.
We can't see them where they are now. We can only see what they looked like billions of years ago when they were not as far away. Here's a rough analogy of the concept.
Considering the use of gravitational lensing, why can we see things that are apparently further away in light years than the universe is old.
I don't follow your supernova analogy. When a massive star runs out of fuel, the pressure from the star's fusion that was working against gravity can no longer support the star so what happens is a collapse of the star, (which is the opposite of expansion), then following the collapse is an explosion, and following the explosion matter is dispersed from the supernova in all directions but that expansion of the supernova remnants slows down over time, in contrast to the expansion of the universe which accelerates over time.
If the universe is infinite and our bubble Is expanding into nothing. Surely this would explain expansion. As a normal bubble will expand in the presence of low atmospheric pressure. Especially once the concentration of matter and gravity of the matter has disapated to the point where the balance between gravity and expanding pressure is tipped. Aka a supernova. It would explain why expansion was slower and then sped up.
...it is of paramount importance to confirm or refute these hints of LU violation promptly. Both the Belle-II and LHCb experiments will be in an ideal position to provide additional information by significantly reducing the uncertainties on the LU observables already studied and by measuring new observables that will further constrain NP models. The present situation should thus evolve rapidly with the combined efforts of experimentalists and theorists, and has the potential to provide very exciting news in the coming years.
originally posted by: Tlbablo
It has crossed my mind that if the universe is possibly infinite. Considering the speed of light with both the observable universe and cosmic background radiation. The cbr would only have travelled from the moment of the event.
The event I speak of is that of perhaps the fabled white hole, where matter, or more likely energy is spewed. Or something which we have no understanding.
As particles pop in and out of existence in a vacuum, could singularities? Our universe like a bubble in an infinite plane of nothing. Or maybe it
happens a lot and this would give the basis of the multiverse theory with multiple bubbles exist on an infinite plane/mebrane.
My three questions are:
Why, considering the possible distances would only the visible universe be the limits.
Considering the use of gravitational lensing, why can we see things that are apparently further away in light years than the universe is old.
If the universe is infinite and our bubble Is expanding into nothing. Surely this would explain expansion. As a normal bubble will expand in the presence of low atmospheric pressure. Especially once the concentration of matter and gravity of the matter has disapated to the point where the balance between gravity and expanding pressure is tipped. Aka a supernova. It would explain why expansion was slower and then sped up.
This is my first post so please be kind lol.
By the way the mainstream model also says neutrinos are involved in gravitational interactions, and they have no charge that we know of. They comprise some fraction of "dark matter", perhaps 3-5% according to one study.
We discussed a number of different things so I don't know what the "it" in "it's just one of those things we dont know about yet and is a theory" refers to. Usually if we have a theory it means we do know something about the theorized subject.
originally posted by: Tlbablo
Thanks ErosA433 and Arbitraguer. I guess it's just one of those things we dont know about yet and is a theory. Thank you for taking the time to. Respond.
What is that strange arc? While imaging the cluster of galaxies Abell 370, astronomers had noted an unusual arc to the right of many cluster galaxies...Today, we know that this arc actually consists of two distorted images of a fairly normal galaxy that happened to lie far behind the huge cluster. Abell 370's gravity caused the background galaxies' light -- and others -- to spread out and come to the observer along multiple paths, not unlike a distant light appears through the stem of a wine glass.
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Arbitrageur
you know how neutrino detector is build, do you ??
water, a lot of it, photodetectors ( which work like I told you few pages back ), and what is the source of light ??
Cherenkov radiation !!
...how can this strange arc be explained without dark matter?
A scintillator is a material that exhibits scintillation, the property of luminescence, when excited by ionizing radiation.
Scintillation is a flash of light produced in a transparent material by the passage of a particle (an electron, an alpha particle, an ion, or a high-energy photon).
Luminescence is spontaneous emission of light by a substance not resulting from heat; it is thus a form of cold-body radiation. It can be caused by chemical reactions, electrical energy, subatomic motions or stress on a crystal.
Nuclear transmutation is the conversion of one chemical element or an isotope into another chemical element. Because any element (or isotope of one) is defined by its number of protons (and neutrons) in its atoms, i.e. in the atomic nucleus, nuclear transmutation occurs in any process where the number of protons or neutrons in the nucleus is changed. A transmutation can be achieved either by nuclear reactions (in which an outside particle reacts with a nucleus) or by radioactive decay, where no outside cause is needed.
where to upward going neutrino signals come from?
Once more you take small bits of information and twist...
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
By the way the mainstream model also says neutrinos are involved in gravitational interactions, and they have no charge that we know of.