Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live

a reply to: neo96

You bush supporters are hilarious. You STILL can't accept the fact the man you voted for lied the nation into a war. It would almost be sad if it wasn't so comical.

Right from the OP's source:

Numerous bunkers, including eleven cruciform shaped bunkers were exploited. Some of the bunkers were empty. Some of the bunkers contained large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment (presumed disabled under UNSCOM supervision), and other hazardous industrial chemicals.

So basically, if this story is true, ISIS happened upon a stockpile of DISABLED equipment which essentially proves that Saddam was complying with UN resolutions...

Astounding. Do you guys even think about this stuff? Or is it just "RAH RAH REPUBLICAN PARTY LINE".

Here... Let's let Bush speak for himself:

originally posted by: James1982

originally posted by: buster2010
The OP seemed to have forgot this little part from the article.

Although declared, the bunkers contents have yet to be confirmed.

So nobody really knows what was in those bunkers for all we know they could have been the CW's that Rumsfeld sold to Hussein. Now the question is why did Bush and his cronies not destroy these chemical plants before he signed the paperwork that made us cut and run from Iraq?

10 years of American occupation and you seriously think we never peeked inside the bunker to see what it was? That's utterly absurd to think that the American government doesn't know exactly what's in that bunker. If it IS chemical weapons, that means huge lies. If it's NOT chemical weapons, it still means huge lies.

You defense of Obama is achieving laughable levels... good job!

Like your defense of Bush isn't even more laughable. All those years in Iraq and they never took these out to show off to the world? Why? Also Rumsfeld did sell CW's to Iraq that's fact and Bush did sign the agreement.

a reply to: marg6043

Well isn't that the reason US invaded Iraq, took Saddam out of power and then allowed his execution?

There was no single reason.

As this states:

The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3]

Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.
Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.
The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.
Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.
The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."
The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

en.wikipedia.org...

Whatever the hell the 'mission' was.

Both GW, and BO blew it.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

You bush supporters are hilarious. You STILL can't accept the fact the man you voted for lied the nation into a war.

I guess this has to be posted for those who don't bother reading the thread.



Bush 'lies' eh.

originally posted by: macman

originally posted by: buster2010
Now the question is why did Bush and his cronies not destroy these chemical plants before he signed the paperwork that made us cut and run from Iraq?

Because they were never there, as declared by every Progressive............after they agreed that there was WMDs.

Then why didn't little Bushy prove everyone wrong? He could have easily justified his war by doing this of course that was after he finally made up his mind as to why we went into Iraq.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I don't see why it is so hard to believe Saddam had WMDs.

I don't get it.

It's not hard to believe. He DID have them. He USED them in the 80's while the Reagan administration turned a blind eye to the fact. The issue isn't that people think he never had them in the first place. The issue is that he was complying with UN resolutions to declare his stockpiles and disable and/or dispose of them. He had let UN inspectors into his weapons sites freely in the years leading up to the invasion, and when the U.S started beating the war drums he complied with all of their demands to a T. He posed no threat to the U.S (contrary to the lies the administration was doling out to it's people), and he was jumping and asking how high. The Bush administration knew all of this, and chose to not only exaggerate certain issues, but to fabricate outright lies to drum up support for an invasion of Iraq.

It's baffling to me that there are STILL people out there who are defending this madness based solely on partisan loyalties. It's sickening. WTF happened to "Deny Ignorance"?

originally posted by: amazing
So let me get this straight. We've been in Iraq for over 10 years. and not just us, British and other UN troops. And not just troops but specialists and investigators and Chemical Weapons inspectors etc etc etc. And not once, in those 10 years did anyone find any Chemical Weapons? LOL Really?

Editing to add, that there has been a huge, like 10 year running argument whether Iraq ever had any chemical weapons in the first place, despite all kinds of evidence that they used it on their own people.

Next thought, is that in those ten years, if we did find Chemical Weapons, we would just leave them sitting around in stockpiles? That is retarded.

Iraq is huge.

With an area of 437,072 square kilometers (168,753 square miles) Read more: www.nationsencyclopedia.com...

And it's nothing more than a glorified child's sandbox.


Now imagine trying to find this:


Only it's the size of a 55 gallon drum. That is why I don't think we'll ever find WMDs. There is no question about whether Saddam had CWs, there are plenty of examples of him using them.

The inspectors stated they were coming months in advance and Saddam still delayed them numerous times. Why? IMO he was hiding evidence of manufacturing, bury some of his stockpile and possibly some of the manufacturing equipment, and destroy evidence.


If you can bury a plane without the Coalition Forces knowing about it without a tip, what makes you think you couldn't bury a shipping crate full of whatever you can imagine?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: DeadSeraph

You bush supporters are hilarious. You STILL can't accept the fact the man you voted for lied the nation into a war.

I guess this has to be posted for those who don't bother reading the thread.

Bush 'lies' eh.

Why is this the standard defense of Bush supporters? Why do you point at Democrats and say "THEY DID IT TOO" as if that somehow makes it ok?

Ok... So the Democrats had a hand in it too... So #*!$ing what? Does that somehow absolve the Bush administration of it's lies? Does it absolve ANY of the politicians (republican OR democrat) who were complicit in this illegal and disastrous war of their crimes?

No? So why do you keep trying to defend their actions and revise history?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Why is this the standard defense of Bush supporters? Why do you point at Democrats and say "THEY DID IT TOO" as if that somehow makes it ok?

Come again ?

The country didn't have a problem with it when Clinton,and company SAID THE EXACT SAME GD THING.

Enter GWB oh hell, he's just a liar !

In case someone didn't read the GD op WMDS WERE/ARE IN IRAQ.

But hey who cares right.

Bush lied, and blah,blah,blah.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Well looks like our Politicians are trying to BS us again.

I don't think "OMG WMD IN IRAQ" will work again.....

You underestimate the level of fear and stupidity in the average person, or the perfect storm when both are present.
Doesn't matter to me, I'm not afraid of a cave dweller half a world away, especially if all he's got is the 2012 model camel.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Because they are lying through their teeth to fabricate a reason to get the war machine rolling again.



Was it Westley Clark that said "when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail" ? Somebody said that.



Something has the US government (more likely the banking cartels that employ the USG) spooked to the point of desperation.

That is an ignorrant statement because they would have been justified by the un to stop the incursion by isis and needed no extra push of info for support on the matter. the truth is the wmd's have always been there and it looks like our leaders in the us wants isis to have control of them. The statement "see you in new york" comes to mind. How about a commercial jet liner filled with these wmd's coming to the u.s. being drivin by a former gitmo prisioner and ats poster now banned.

Also from the OP's link:

17.05 The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires it to dispose of the material at Al Muthanna, even though it was declared unusable and "does not pose a significant security risk"

The country didn't have a problem with it when Clinton,and company SAID THE EXACT SAME GD THING.

Who said I didn't care about Clinton? He bombed the snot out of Iraq during his entire presidency and crippled the country with sanctions. Some estimates indicate the sanctions he spearheaded killed 500,000 to a million people just on their own. Do you take me for some sort of card carrying democrat? Look at the history in the region and you will see a long line of democrats and republicans BOTH, meddling and setting up puppet regimes while turning a blind eye to atrocities committed by the very regimes they propped up.

I don't give a damn what party a sitting U.S president is representing when he is complicit in the ongoing atrocity that is U.S middle eastern foreign policy. The only difference between Clinton and Bush as far as Iraq is concerned, is that the U.S invaded under Bush. Clinton just laid the groundwork.

Enter GWB oh hell, he's just a liar !

Yes, yes he is. Do you deny this fact? So was Clinton. Why can't you come to grips with the fact Bush lied?

In case someone didn't read the GD op WMDS WERE/ARE IN IRAQ.

We already knew that. You are trying to make it sound like ISIS uncovered active stockpiles that they could just start firing off. Your own source acknowledges that is not the case.

But hey who cares right.

Bush lied, and blah,blah,blah.

I'm pretty sure the whole damn world cares if ISIS gets their hands on WMD's. Here's a good question for you: Did you care when they were using them in Syria? Where did they get chemical weapons then? Oh right... They must have found Saddams active stockpiles that THE ENTIRE U.S DEPLOYMENT IN IRAQ COULDN'T FIND.

And for the umpteenth time, yes, Bush lied. Deal with it.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Newflash:

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile

Just arguing for the hell of it ?

originally posted by: DeadSeraph


Yes, yes he is. Do you deny this fact? So was Clinton. Why can't you come to grips with the fact Bush lied?

Maybe your talking to dick Chaney

a reply to: neo96

Yes. That's it.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Apparently so.

Because ISIS just did what Bush said would happen, but that can't possibly be so because Iraq didn't have WMDS,

And 'terrorists' would 'never' do that, but then again they did the same thing in SYRIA.

I distinctly remember a 'red line' that was crossed.

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a reply to: neo96

Yes! Thank you! I was on Camp Fallujah, actually on the ITC/MEK compound with 2nd BN 2nd Marines in 2005.. We had made one of the buildings (that had a big pile of Iraqi gas masks next to it...) into a small rec center. Every once in a while the engineers would come buy and blow up a pile of UXO. That place made me a little nervous, there was no telling what all was buried in that sand. Were a few bunkers that we couldn't get into as well...so who knows?

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: neo96

of course there was chemical weapons in Iraq and there very well may be more of them laying around. Consider that even in camp fallujah they had a destroyed gas chamber that turned into USMC berthing for a time, kind of eerie looking at a half destroyed building with paintings of arabs in chem suits. Point here is that even in trace amounts they used to use live agents in that chamber for training purposes. Outside of that (my spelling my be off here) on the north western side outside camp fallujah heading north from msr michegan there was a string of villages at the designated Shiahabi villages 1, 2, and 3. In this location you would find stock piles of russian style gas masks, suits, and canisters. A bit farther on down near the red crescent hospital you would find UXO in the form of unexploded but dropped Iraqi and American bombs and rockets with god knows what in the Iraqi weaponry. Traces of chemical weaponry are found all over the country.