"ISIS" bans guns in Iraq.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Name and name changes The group has used several different names since its formation in early 2004 as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, "The Organization of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ). In October 2004, the group's then leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi swore loyalty to Osama bin Laden. Al-Zarqawi then changed the name of the group to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn, "The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers" (TQJBR), more commonly translated as "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" (AQI).[50][51] Although the organization has never used the name "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" to refer to itself, this has frequently been used to describe the group through its various incarnations.[6] In January 2006, the group merged with several smaller Iraqi insurgent groups under an umbrella organization called the Mujahideen Shura Council. On 12 October 2006, the Mujahideen Shura Council joined with four other insurgent factions and representatives of a number of Iraqi tribes and participated in a traditional Arab oath of allegiance known as Hilf al-Mutayibeen ("Oath of the Scented Ones").[a][53][52] During the ceremony the participants declared: "We swear by Allah … that we will strive to free the prisoners of their shackles, to end the oppression to which the Sunnis are being subjected by the malicious Shi'ites and by the occupying Crusaders, to assist the oppressed and restore their rights even at the price of our own lives … to make Allah's word supreme in the world, and to restore the glory of Islam".[52] The following day, 13 October 2006, the establishment of the Dawlat al-'Iraq al-Islamiyya, "Islamic State of Iraq (ISI)", was announced.[54][51] On 9 April 2013, after the group expanded into Syria, it adopted the name "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant", also known as "Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham".[55][56] It is abbreviated as ISIS or alternately ISIL. The final "S" in the acronym ISIS stems from the Arabic word Sham, which in the context of global jihad refers to the Levant or Greater Syria.[57] ISIS is also known as al-Dawla, the State, or Dawla al Islamiya, the Islamic State. Its detractors refer to it using the Arabic acronym Daesh, a term that the group considers derogatory

It's right there:

en.wikipedia.org...

They been around long time before now.

Let's sum it up .

Capitalists don't want Shia in power over oil fields of Arabia or elsewhere for that matter.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Then I am sorry, but you have simply ignored what I have said - let's sum up..

They were called Al Qaeda in Iraq, an umbrella organisation for many smaller ones from 2003 onwards. Up until 2011, they weren't much other than a thorn in the side of the Iraqi's operating in Anbar and other Sunni provinces.

In 20111-12, they got involved in the Syrian Civil War and, after being branded by Al Zahawi (the AQ Chief) as "too extreme", because they are of the Takfiri brand of Islam, which regards any Muslim not following their strict interpretation as an apostate.

After this, they splintered from AQIQ, renamed as ISIS and, briefly, almost re-entered the AQ fold with Al Nusra in Syria but that fell through as they are just that extreme. Now they are fighting Al Nusra (and winning) as well as anyone else they think is an Apostate (everyone, really)

So, "ISIS" in it's current form has been around for only a couple of years - it is evident you haven't been following events in Syria closely because they have been mentioned many times in reports from there. The only reason you can't find reports about them is because of the way Google orders the searches and brings the most recent up, of which there are many, however, if you dig or search properly, you can find them.

All this boils down to really is you haven't heard of them because you haven't been paying attention. If you look properly, they are easy to find:

One link...
Two link...
3 link....
4....

And these are just the first four I pulled off the first page of my search, at random. All from 2013.

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You could also just read the link I gave you - has their whole history in there...

Here us another article - from 2014 - detaling ISIS "annual reports", the first of which covered the period November 2011- November 2012 Why would they publish reports on their activities if they didn't exist?

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Definitely ALWAYS the West's fault.

Because..you know..before the West came to power the middle east never fought over anything.

Thank you.

Nothing else to say but "thank you" for pointing out the truth.
The people in the ME simply can not get along. It has little (to nothing) to do with 'the West'.

I'm so sick of this crap.

a reply to: stumason

these articles you posted... well, blogs more like it have no dates save one. Besides that though, I am looking for the MSM articles that identified them years ago. After all it is the MSM that is telling me to be afraid of these guys apparently out of the blue. You claim that it is not out of the blue and then post regional web pages that nobody would find without a specific search. The MSM brought this up oit of the blue. If your claiming I am wrong then post some MSM from 2013 that describes this. It is the MSM that recently is claiming these guys are running the show in the ME, so I will expect to see some previous reporting on the issue from them othereise I have to assume that the big 3 media conglomerates in the US were handed this memo and TOLD to report it when they did otherwise there would have been sporadic reports from various outlets over the last few years as stories about this alleged group surfaced, which I cannot find. How did ISIL get from a few blogs to all xhannels all the time without doing something BIG.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Oh jeebus, you really are making a meal out this in a desperate attempt to safe face, aren't you?

And what else apart from a "specific search" would you do to find specific information? Seems to me you're not that au fait on using a search engine.. Did you just type in "ISIS"?

As well as several articles, which are dated actually despite your claims otherwise, I have linked to Wiki which lists a whole slew of sources for it's very in depth article.

Anyhoo, as it is obvious you either can't use Google or simply are too lazy to look properly, I shall do it for you:

BBC article, dated Feb 2014 but with info within about ISIS

Amnesty International article - dated December 2013

Daily Mail - dated Feb 2014 about a specific event in Syria, but with info about ISIS

Der Speigel article dated December 2013

Wash ington Post article - dated October 2013 - with Video report on ISIS

CNN article - dated November 2013

a reply to: MALBOSIA

FOX News article - dated October 2013

Another Amnesty International article - dated December 2013

STRATFOR article - dated October 2013

BBC Article - dated December 2013

Another BBC article - dated November 2013

There we go - that should do for now....

a reply to: stumason

Gosh, that is a lot of reading. I am little distracted right now trying to get my xbox to work but you have definitely put my foot in my mouth. I am honest that I was having trouble finding these and YES I typed in "ISIS" and looked for anything I could find. Incidentally, the Egyptian goddess seems to be whipped off the internet at the moment, as I recall I was worried if I made that search I would ONLY get the deity search results. To my surprise maybe 1 had something to do with the deity and the rest were about ISIS and only as recent as the last few days. 50 pages of news articles on ISIS in the last few days.

Thanks for the links. I will read up on them.... later. EA games has most of my attention at the moment.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Fair enough - it's a good show of your character that you have come back with the "foot in mouth" comment . It probably doesn't mean much to you, but I respect that in people

If I came across as snippy, then it was only out of exasperation but then I have been following all this for years - night shifts are long and you read a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff!

a reply to: stumason

I appreciate that, and you posting so many links. lol, I was going to post "was that so hard?" without considering it actually did take a bit of effort to get those here with the benefit of the doubt that wasn't just trolling you. I am not, but I admit I still have the impression that regardless of their authenticity, they are getting pushed in the MSM for a purpose that is not on the level. Gas prices going up has got everyone's attention. I swear CBC ran a promo video on these guys a few nights ago. I do not study geopolitics at all, I only get what comes across cable, this site and a couple others that are basically just headlines. I pay attention more than most though and I didn't have an friggin clue about these guys.

You cannot deny that global stability is in shake up mode right now. Moves are being made even if they are reactionary. Defense is still an action and right now most, if not all actions are tailored to power grabs. I see something like what is going down right now happening and how hard the movers and shakers want us to pay attention to what is getting sold sounds like a huge power grab.

Remember what Chomsky said. The news and it's advertisements are not the product, we are.

Why arent they bombing these people back to whatever hole they came from , even from economical perspectives it is pure logic to send units to defend the oil installations , even though the iraqi oil might not be the main supplier , it is still very strategic to posses these installations because they are resources.

I can only guess as why this organisation is gettin a free pass to take over iraq , from western perspectives the only reason why i think they are allowed to do this so they hope ISIS sets up a military infrastructure ( or inhabit the already existing infrastructure wich we gave to them )

So they have some sort of staging area , from wich they can train recruits , build weapon factories , IED factories etc.

Roll into syria fully geared , boot out Assad , gain more territory ?

What if the border between Syria and Iraq politically vanishes , and these 2 fronts turn into a big one , since these people are insurgents they dont wear standard army uniforms , and don''t really use standard tactics it is very difficult to fight these kinds of enemies.

But all this sure paints a good overall picture.... Multitrillion dollar surveillance and security systems are being used in my country and other western country to illegally spy on honest citizens because we need this kind of protection from the " badguys in caves "

Yet i see these people roll around in Toyota's , doing drive by shootings , beheading people , exectutions.

I dont see why any of the surrounding , supporting nations dont support with something simple as air strikes , since you dont have boots on the ground it isn''t every expensive yet could help the Iraqi army ... if they dont flee.

As for Isis to gain more ground to the North , i consider it a bridge to far since Turkey and Iran probably pulverize the Toyota Sand people.

The lack of responce to these kinds of situations over the last few years from the international community has been passive to say the least , maybe now it is still far from our beds , but if these people build up territory , assets and funding they can do whatever they want.

theGreazel.

And the liberal democrats want to ban them in the US! If you don't like the US move to some communist country. If you do not like guns, then do not own one or move to California or New York.
Parallels between the communists, socialists and now, ISIS, become more flagrant every day.

nothing to see hear… move along…

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