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originally posted by: Navillus
a reply to: BrianFlanders
You can only wake the willing.
originally posted by: Murgatroid
originally posted by: starviego
When they release the lone gunman's name, look for references to previous mental health 'treatment.'
It's the shrinks, not the drugs, nor the guns, nor people just 'snapping.'
Can you give a reference for this or a reason for this belief?
originally posted by: Navillus
You can only wake the willing.
"You can't wake someone who is pretending to be asleep." ~ Native American Proverb
“You can’t wake a person who is pretending to be asleep” is an ancient Navajo proverb. The wisdom of this proverb has withstood the test of time and therefore it should not escape your attention today. Slow down, for just a minute, and consider it:
Meaning of “You can’t wake a person who is pretending to be asleep”
• People who are pretending to be asleep will resist being awakened because they have something to lose by ending the charade.
• People who pretend to be asleep can often lose track of what is real and what is pretend and thus cannot respond normally to situations.
• People will act as if nothing is happening when they don’t want to face the reality of the situation by pretending to be unaware or unsure despite being presented with the evidence.
You Can’t Wake A Person Who Is Pretending To Be Asleep
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: WhiteAlice
I edited my post. go back and read it please. still itwas prolly the resource officer with the gun on him,but they wont say. this is shooting 74 since new town BTW.
originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: burdman30ott6
So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.
Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: burdman30ott6
So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.
Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?
I am a bit confused. As far as I have seen, ALL of the shooters of late, have had mental illness issues. All of them. And they ALL were prescribed something. If you don't see some sort of connection, then perhaps you might try looking with your eyes open this time.
originally posted by: KingIcarus
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: burdman30ott6
So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.
Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?
I am a bit confused. As far as I have seen, ALL of the shooters of late, have had mental illness issues. All of them. And they ALL were prescribed something. If you don't see some sort of connection, then perhaps you might try looking with your eyes open this time.
Is this a joke?
Are you really positing the fact that people with mental health issues are the common, unifying factor to those who decide to shoot people up en masse? Before you start, I appreciate this case isn't 'en masse' so to speak.
Who exactly do you think 'normally' shoot people up in such a manner? Saints alive.
originally posted by: KingIcarus
I don't advocate taking your guns - but there's an important debate to be had about why you're 40 times more likely to die from a gun per 100,000 people as an American than as a Brit - even though our disarming means only criminals have guns.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: KingIcarus
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: burdman30ott6
So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.
Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?
I am a bit confused. As far as I have seen, ALL of the shooters of late, have had mental illness issues. All of them. And they ALL were prescribed something. If you don't see some sort of connection, then perhaps you might try looking with your eyes open this time.
Is this a joke?
Are you really positing the fact that people with mental health issues are the common, unifying factor to those who decide to shoot people up en masse? Before you start, I appreciate this case isn't 'en masse' so to speak.
Who exactly do you think 'normally' shoot people up in such a manner? Saints alive.
Yes, I am stating exactly that. Clearly and with no hint of confusion. If you need clarification, just let me know.
The mental health program in this country was torn down decades ago (and rightfully so). The problem is, it was never rebuilt. It was simply usurped by big pharma.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: WhiteAlice
I guess my point is, folks with normal brains aren't the ones doing all the killing. It's the people with mental issues.
We seem to not have any system in place at the moment to deal with these people other than throwing some drugs at them.
What we are doing isn't working. At all. Not even a little.
And yet, violent crime overall is higher in the UK than in America.
I don't advocate taking your guns - but there's an important debate to be had about why you're 40 times more likely to die from a gun per 100,000 people as an American than as a Brit - even though our disarming means only criminals have guns.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: WhiteAlice
I guess my point is, folks with normal brains aren't the ones doing all the killing. It's the people with mental issues.
We seem to not have any system in place at the moment to deal with these people other than throwing some drugs at them.
What we are doing isn't working. At all. Not even a little.