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Breaking: Police race to active shooter at Reynolds High School

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posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 03:33 PM

originally posted by: KingIcarus
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.

Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?

The same peer review process which considered Thalidomide to be an excellent treatment for morning sickness until babies started being born with flippers?
The same peer review process which heralded such barbarism as electroshock therapy and lobotomies as "treatments" for conditions like epilepsy and autism (which were misdiagnosed as mental illnesses)?
The same peer review process which approved Vioxx, only to discover it was causing strokes and heart attacks in otherwise heart-healthy Americans?
Or perhaps the peer review process that has lead us to a point in which 98,000 to 440,000 Americans (depending on the source study ) die each year from "common medical blunders", making bad medical practice somewhere between the 6th and 2nd leading cause of American deaths?

Forgive me if I am more than skeptical about America's health professionals, their qualifications, and their reliability.

Europe, for example, has a history of identifying the dangers of antidepressants:

...or at least they did until the major Pharamceutical corporations bought the European regulatory agencies and political machines off, just like they did in the USA.

And on those rare occassions when an actual news story does manage to get out in the American press, it is carefully accompanied by a statement of confusion to ensure the public, while perhaps pausing for a moment of contemplation, does what good little boys and girls do and continues to buy and consume their prescribed poisons...

Please note that this does not necessarily mean that these drugs cause violent behavior. For example, in the case of opioid pain medications like Oxycontin, people with a prior history of violent behavior may seek drugs in order to sustain an addiction, which they support via predatory crime. In the case of antipsychotics, the drugs may be given in an attempt to reduce violence by people suffering from schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders — so the drugs here might not be causing violence, but could be linked with it because they’re used to try to stop it.

We know this statement is bullcrap because many of these spree killers are reported as having been non-violent kids who were prescribed drugs due to utterly fabricated medical "conditions" like hyperactivity or ADD.

Finally, my last point on the supposed experts is this... "Mental illness" (and my goodness have they ever invented a lot of new ones in my life time) is the only illness which has no metric by which to quantify itself and no physical or chemical test by which to identify itself. If, for example, too much seratonin is responsible for a person's depression, shouldn't this be measurable? I mean they can take a blood sample and identify the presence of the substance in a person's body, so it bears to reason that the levels are measurable and some manner of baseline could be established. Oh, but everyone is different, they say? Interesting that, everyone's levels are different, but we're to believe that the same basic pill can treat any number of patients? Even more nefarious, doctors essentially start with one medicine, gradually up the dosage, then start trying other SSRI drugs and dosages, treating the patient like a walking guinea pig until the threshold of "I'm a borderline emotionless zombie who is incapiable of even experiencing real laughter, real tears, or an orgasm" is reached and that's the magical threshold for that drug. Yes, according to these QUACKS, to be a normal human requires the stripping of the very fabric which makes us human... joy, pain, and pleasure.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 04:11 PM

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Forgive me if I am more than skeptical about America's health professionals, their qualifications, and their reliability.

Agreed 100%...

The problem is NOT with mental illness.

The problem is the "cure" for mental illness.

Pushing drugs onto the population is part of the stealth agenda used to control and depopulate.

The "Quiet Weapons" says "inoculation of behavioral drugs" can speed a child's transition from the soon-to-be extinct family unit to "state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers." According to Huxley, the goal is to produce "a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Among these pharmaceuticals we now can recognize Ritalin, Prozac and Viagra, which healthy men commonly use for performance. Doctors are elite drug dealers designated to addict, distract and sedate society.

This is accomplished through "silent weapons" (propaganda and social engineering) applied in the media and schools. "When the silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts...until the pressure becomes too great and they crack up...Therefore the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare.... It attacks ...their sources of natural and social energy and their physical, mental and emotional strengths..."

The "Quiet War" Against Humanity

I quit taking them - I feel 100% better

Meds DO NOT help in anyway

Pharmaceutical Drugs Do NOT Work


The government doesn't want cures, they want sickness. SICKNESS = MONEY

Started taking medication... now I feel even more suicidal than before...

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 04:12 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6
I would give you a whole handful of stars if I could because you've stated the argument quite eloquently. The practice of psychiatry is the only "branch of medicine" that needs no scientific confirmation for their "diagnosis." However, with their able ally, Big Pharma, they have convinced the US population that they can "make it all better" by shoving pills down our throats.
I saw this trend quite clearly when a relative of mine suffered a stroke. While dealing with the physical therapy to bring himself back to physical health he was experiencing depression due to memory loss and an inability to control his emotions. He consulted his neurologist and was offered an SSRI because "it might help." He declined and sought help from his internist, same response---"these pills might help with the depression." He declined and finally sought help from a psychologist. He met with the psychologist once a week for 18 weeks and within the first 3 weeks he was able to control his emotions. Had he been on those drugs, I'm quite sure the docs would have pointed to him as a "success" despite the fact that his liver and kidneys were being severely overworked by having to sort out the toxins being poured into his body.
Since Big Pharma pays for a goodly percentage of the commercial TV shows produced, you won't likely see or hear any news that contradicts their claims. But take a listen sometime to the listed side-effects of these drugs and think about what you are hearing.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 04:25 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Again, Kip Kinkel. From his therapist's notes as reported through his trial:

Mrs. Kinkel reported Kip has a fascination with explosives, guns and knives. This interest is shared by several of his friends and his mother is concerned such fascination is unhealthy and may lead to behaviors that could harm Kip or others. Kip often lies to his parents about his interest in explosives and his parents will no longer leave him alone at home...This Fall he was caught shoplifting CD's from Target and during the first week of January was arrested in Bend for kicking rocks off of an overpass at passing cars...His mother describes Kip as "very emotional." His mother is seeking psychological consultation to help her son learn more appropriate ways of managing anger and to curtail his antisocial acting-out.

Treatment notes for Kip Kinkel:

Kip was taken to a therapist because he was engaging in anti-social and violent behaviors. His anti-social and harmful behaviors were occurring before he was ever placed on any drug. The kid was kicking rocks off an overpass with the intent of hitting the cars--a behavior that would actually result in serious harm if one of those rocks had made it through the windshield.

Here's another interesting point. Luke Woodham also had a history of violent and sociopathic behavior before his shooting. He murdered a dog brutally with a friend a couple months before. A lot of claims are made that Luke Woodham was on Prozac but I've never seen any remark that Woodham was in therapy, let alone prescribed Prozac, in any of the court documents. In fact, there is no psychiatric testimony for before his shooing--only after. If Woodham had been prescribed Prozac, then certainly his prescribing psychiatrist would've testified as to Woodham's state of mind before the incident. That didn't happen. Why? Because there was no psychiatrist for Woodham before the incident.

All sources utilize the same exact wording. "Published reports say he was on Prozac." However, I have never once seen a published report that stated that Woodham was on Prozac. The only source that I found published in the 1997-8 time period (time of and immediately following his shooting) is this one and it uses the ""Published reports say he was on Prozac". Again, if that were true then where was the prescribing psychiatrist's testimony in the trial records making any statements about Woodham's state of mind before the murders? Doesn't exist because there was none.

Luke T. Woodham v. State of MIssissippi:

edit on 10/6/14 by WhiteAlice because: woops, forgot source link

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 04:41 PM
President Obama, in Tumblr session, on shootings: 'We're the only developed country in the world where this happens' - @USATODAY

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 04:42 PM

originally posted by: KingIcarus
So, what you're saying is - you'll not accept the evidence of basically anyone qualified to intepret the actual, peer reviewed, scientific data? That's an interesting position to take.Out of interest - where do you get your evidence that disproves almost everyone who works in every facet of mental healthcare?

Peer review and "mental healthcare" are both used to deceive and I will NEVER trust either one again.

originally posted by: CircleOfDust
If we ever needed evidence that peer review is an empty ritual, this episode provides it. Many studies have shown that peer review does not improve the quality of scientific papers. Scientists themselves know it doesn‘t work. Yet the public still regards it as a sign of quality, and says, This paper was peer-reviewed,‘ or ;This paper was not peer-reviewed,‘ as if that meant something. It doesn‘t.

Many studies have shown that peer review does not improve the quality of scientific papers. Scientists themselves know it doesn't work. Yet the public still regards it as a sign of quality... as if that meant something. It doesn't. The whole concept of scientific "peer review" is suspect. Peer review has not been and never has been a meaningful guage of the validity of scientific conclusions. It has been hijacked to stifle debate and filter out conclusions that disagree with a particular dogma. To a real scientist it is meaningless.

What Would We Do Without Peer Review?

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

“Psychiatry” has NO, and I mean ZERO medical basis whatsoever.

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud

Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).” In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 05:07 PM
a reply to: WhiteAlice

I am not saying there aren't those among us who are mentally sick. I'm saying that the "treatments" for such either
A) Do not work because they are applying a chemical "cure" to a situation that cannot be chemical in nature, or else it would be measurable in lab tests,
B) will make a non-mentally ill patient mentally ill over time.

As for the "say he was on Prozac", we've seen the court cases where a Pharma corp successfully argues to the court that records should be sealed or information regarding specific meds redacted from the public record. This was done under "patient privacy" arguments years ago, now that there is no such thing as patient privacy, they simply bought the politicians, leaders, and media needed to ensure the reports don't officially find their way to the American people.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 05:18 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Woodham's case, however, is notable in that, if he had been prescribed anything psychiatric, such a thing would've required a prescribing physician who was aware of psychological difficulties before his murders. If that had existed, either the defense or prosecution would've called that individual to testify on their assessment of Woodham's mental status before and at the time of the shooting--depending on how the witness would testify. Neither the prosecution or defense called any such witness and Woodham's defense did attempt an insanity plea, which got knocked down based on psychiatric evaluations made after the fact.

Whereas blocking the mention of a prescription drug would be one thing, they could, in no way, block the testimony of a prescribing physician in regards to their patient's mental status. Kinkel's therapist testified on the fact and that was after Woodham. It's more likely that there was no prescribing physician testimony not because it was blocked by pharmaceutical companies but because such an individual did not exist for Woodham. They could omit the mention of the specific drug (albeit still unlikely) but they cannot strike a witness as pivotal as that from the record, especially when an insanity plea is made.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 07:58 PM
According to Mother Jones it might be related to lead exposure and no, they don't mean lead bullets.

The US Murder Rate Is on Track to Be Lowest in a Century

This is fairly preliminary data, but Rick Nevin reports that if current trends keep up, we'll end 2013 with the murder rate in America at its lowest rate in over a century.

Analytically speaking, murder is an especially interesting crime because we have pretty good homicide statistics going all the way back to 1900. Most other crimes have only been tracked since about 1960. And if you look at the murder rate in the chart below (the red line), you see that it follows an odd double-hump pattern: rising in the first third of the century, reaching a peak around 1930; then declining until about 1960; then rising again, reaching a second peak around 1990. It's been dropping

This is the exact same pattern we see in lead ingestion among small children, offset by 21 years (the black line). Lead exposure rises in the late 1800s, during the heyday of lead paint, reaching a peak around 1910; then declines through World War II; and then begins rising again during our postwar love affair with big cars that burned high-octane leaded gasoline. Lead finally enters its final decline in the mid-70s when we begin the switch to unleaded gasoline.

This is powerful evidence in favor of the theory that lead exposure in childhood produces higher rates of violent crime in adulthood.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:37 PM
No release of information on the shooter and I want to say, as a parent of two school age kids in the state, I'm glad that they haven't. Why give the individual(s) involved in this any fame? The school year is about to close and I really very much hope that they keep a lid on it for a few more days to avoid copy cats.

I know that the statistics for this kind of thing is still extraordinarily rare but please keep in mind that the state of Oregon just lost two kids in this one and the victim of the Seattle shooting within the last week was a kid from this state, too. That knowledge is so hard. I've seen many of my fellow parents/friends state that they don't feel like their kids are safe anymore.

So I hope that the press in Oregon and the city of Troutdale keep a lid on it for a couple days more. Just a couple days more and summer break will start.

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:47 PM
a reply to: Closelywatching

right, because punishing EVERYONE for the acts of a few people, is ALWAYS the smart, and sensible course of action

-wishes for the rolleyes smiley to make a return-

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:53 PM
a reply to: KingIcarus

i won't presume to speak for him, but his information may come from the published lists of side effects for the drugs, and the FACT that every time one of these things happens, we find out the offender was on an SSRI of some sort, or had some kind of diagnosed mental illness..

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:25 PM
During the evacuation process, police found a gun on one person.
“This is not believed to be part of the incident,” Anderson said. “That person was taken into custody.”

Keep you eye on this person. If it was an unrelated incident, his name would be made public and he would face charges in court. But instead no more mention will be made of this man/student. Which indicates his presence is somehow connected to the shooting.

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 03:52 AM
Saw this:

Oregon School Shooting: New Gun Control Legislation in 3…2…1…

How will the mainstream media spin this, the latest school shooting?

Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Oregon was on lockdown after a gunman allegedly armed with a rifle opened fire in the school. One student and the gunman have been reported to be dead. News photos show terrified students filing out like criminals, at police gunpoint, with their hands in the air.

You gotta admit there have been a lot of strange shootings and possible False Flags. Makes you wonder if the Gun Controllers are getting a bit desperate in making the public accept the destruction of the Second Amendment. Sandy Hook was a classic False Flag along with others that have happened recently.

This all looks really fishy to me! As it says below!

Recent weeks have been host to a rash of shootings across the country, with much blame being cast on “right wing extremists.” This has caused a frenzy in the gun control crowd, with new legislations being introduced on the coattails of the tragedies. This sudden flurry of shocking violence has led many to question whether or not some or all of these events have been false flag operations, designed to scare the public into supporting the overthrow of the Second Amendment.

They have a point!

Oregon School Shooting - Gun Control?

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 07:35 AM
a reply to: TDawgRex

I, for one, agree wholeheartedly.

Every time these incidences occur the conversations bleed into this same familiar territory, for obvious reasons.
The same question is asked...what is causing this?

Some seem to want to pin it on one or two of the above rather than understanding that all these "reasons" are not mutually exclusive. It is something of an "accumulation" effect.

I am so often reminded of one of my all-time favorite films....."Natural Born Killers". Visionary, in many ways.
Obviously, Oliver Stone put two and two together. Strange how something considered satire only 20 years or so ago is now this strange truth that we are living. Watch that film then go turn on a T.V. Watch that film...come to the net and take a tour....

Give it 5 years or so and people will (probably) be semi-deifying mass murderers and serial killers in public spaces, very vocally. There is already a "cult following" (always has been in some regard) for said types.

This will only get is......"cause and effect"

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:59 PM
a reply to: Dorrell

While you're sitting comfortably at your computer muttering "false flag", I'm an Oregonian with two kids in school and struggling very much with knowing that someone near their ages living not that far away just had their life scrubbed out of existence because of what? A little maniac with a gun. And it was just in the last week that we all found out here that the victim in the Seattle shooting was yet another young man from the area. And it was just a couple years ago when I had a friend of mine from California, on the heels of the Clackamas Town Center shooting, ask me if it was a false flag event. There I was, comforting a couple friends of mine--one whose mother was there and the other whose husband worked there and I got asked that question. It was really quite surreal and you know what doesn't get reported? The fall out from these things. The husband? He was struggling with PTSD for a good while after that as he was actually a witness to it. Both his employer and myself, as I have PTSD, helped him out through it. Another woman, who was pregnant, was under so much stress following the incident that she had nearly 100 TIA's and passed away. No kidding.

Every time I hear a siren go by, even though I know how statistically improbable it is for one of my kids' schools to have the same occurrence, I fret. I get nervous. I hope it isn't their school. I'm not the only one in this area that feels this way at this point. But hey, somebody far away, sitting comfortably at their desk without knowing a single soul who knew somebody who was there or was there themselves, can sit there and utter those words--"false flag".

Reality is that these things are happening. It's terrible and I wish it all were fake but wishing doesn't make something reality. The reality is that we have people imploding, both adults and children alike. We need to be having a serious conversation about the causes of that, like Jakal26's post--not arguments about whether it even happened.

Gun control is just a band aid as guns are just one tool in a whole arsenal. The Boston incident is my retort to that. What we should be doing is taking that utterly disenfranchised and isolated portion of our society and doing something about that as that IS the source.

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 01:24 PM
Chief Scott Anderson says shooter was 15yrold Jared Michael Padgett, a RHS freshman, arrived by school bus

What happened to all the reports of a shooter who was in his 20s? Down the memory hole it goes!


twits from above link:
"Jared Michael Padgett carried AR-15 type assault rifle in guitar case , entered boys locker room.... Also armed with semiautomatic handgun and more ammo"

''Jared Michael Padgett walked into main hallway of school after shooting Hoffman and encountered officers ; there was an exchange of gunfire"
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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 01:33 PM
a reply to: starviego

That was a student who had a gun on him but was not involved in the incident (as the witness in a video on this thread stated--he didn't know the guy had a gun til pat down). He's been arrested and is in custody but it's been made clear that he was not involved and is separate.

A great deal of confusion surrounding a possible second shooter was made at least a bit more clear by Anderson’s noon update. The police chief said during the evacuation authorities found a student in possession of a gun, but twice emphasized it was “unrelated to this incident.”

That student, Anderson said, was taken into custody.

That's been reported a few times here. Why that kid had a gun, who knows, but the witness who misidentified his age did clearly state that the guy was "cool" and didn't do anything.
edit on 11/6/14 by WhiteAlice because: broken quote

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 01:51 PM
Police identify Reynolds High School shooting suspect as 15-year old freshman Jared Michael Padgett - @KyleIboshi

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 01:51 PM
Oregon high school shooter had AR-15, semi-automatic handgun, 9 loaded magazines with several hundred rounds - @Oregonian

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