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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: bigman88
No problem.
The lower pic is the one that really gets my attention.
Because the carvings, were obviously done before the time
the mountain sheared off. Leaving only our view of part of t
he actual cut out. My premise is that this seems to DEFY the
known evolutionary time line.
I've been amazed at the constant obtuse reaction to this
simple minded thread. What's not to understand? And so
I react with suspicion to what is perceived as willful ignorance.
originally posted by: bigman88
I have seen these on ancient aliens on history channel (that's what got me believing in the ignorant aliens from planet x quarreling with one another theory).
I get what you are saying about how this goes against evolution, but really, this goes even more against evolutionists. The presence of these obviously geometrically sliced up patterns in these naturally formed rock surfaces can indicate that the theory itself can still be valid (it's not), irrespective of whatever beings used whatever very advanced tools to laser/carve/cut these rocks up; it's just that the original theorists did not discover or regard these geological finds in any way.
The thing is the theorists assert that No intelligent being had nay hand in creating life and that beings such as these ones that carved up these rocks with the advanced tools, do not exist until the time that the evolutionists theorize. That, as presented here, is obviously not the case. Evolution's theorists of past and present have to now account for the established fact of intelligent, advanced beings, human or other, went around carving out rocks all over the place with whatever advanced tools. That within itself will not necessarily demolish there whole argument of no God, but no humans, or any other advanced beings, until so-and-so time they say they develop.
for the last 200,000 years, anatomically modern humans.
Any poster here who says this does not contradict evolution or it's theorists, and says that these advanced human or whatever beings could have existed alongside evolving animals, is just posing conjecture, and unfounded theories of there own at this point. They need to become scientists, and go prove what theories they pose themselves.
Natural selection is not ruled out, and i think that definitely is a possibility. That has more evidence behind than evolution though. Natural selection has been displayed in insects and changing environments as late as the 60's with a certain experiment i cannot remember the details of. But evolutionists must not definitely must figure out what's up with these carvings, structures and statues that were definitely done by human or non-human beings, hen humans were not supposed to be have been around at this time.
originally posted by: bigman88
Any poster here who says this does not contradict evolution or it's theorists, and says that these advanced human or whatever beings could have existed alongside evolving animals, is just posing conjecture, and unfounded theories of there own at this point. They need to become scientists, and go prove what theories they pose themselves.
originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Grimpachi
Gawd Grim I've explained till I'm blue in the face.
How many timelines are there? Respectfully?
I've even conceded to being out matched in knowledge
and education here. So why would admiting I'm
wrong mean anything to me. But most of this little
experience has only involved insults and what I can
only see as willfull ignorance. And this is what I get from
Intellectuals? What a GDFJ that is?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: bigman88
I have seen these on ancient aliens on history channel (that's what got me believing in the ignorant aliens from planet x quarreling with one another theory).
I get what you are saying about how this goes against evolution, but really, this goes even more against evolutionists. The presence of these obviously geometrically sliced up patterns in these naturally formed rock surfaces can indicate that the theory itself can still be valid (it's not), irrespective of whatever beings used whatever very advanced tools to laser/carve/cut these rocks up; it's just that the original theorists did not discover or regard these geological finds in any way.
The thing is the theorists assert that No intelligent being had nay hand in creating life and that beings such as these ones that carved up these rocks with the advanced tools, do not exist until the time that the evolutionists theorize. That, as presented here, is obviously not the case. Evolution's theorists of past and present have to now account for the established fact of intelligent, advanced beings, human or other, went around carving out rocks all over the place with whatever advanced tools. That within itself will not necessarily demolish there whole argument of no God, but no humans, or any other advanced beings, until so-and-so time they say they develop.
Timeline of evolutionary history of life
for the last 200,000 years, anatomically modern humans.
So humans reached the current evolutionary level that you and I (and the rest of humanity) is at, roughly 200,000 years ago. I'm pretty sure that 200,000 years is longer than the 12,000 or so years ago that those rocks were supposedly carved.
Also evolution makes ZERO, I repeat ZERO, claims about the existence of god.
Any poster here who says this does not contradict evolution or it's theorists, and says that these advanced human or whatever beings could have existed alongside evolving animals, is just posing conjecture, and unfounded theories of there own at this point. They need to become scientists, and go prove what theories they pose themselves.
Why is that? Are you saying that humans were unable to carve rocks for 190,000 years after they got to our evolutionary level and then suddenly they were able to do so? Or we were never able to carve those rocks? I'm really at a loss here what the hell you are talking about.
Natural selection is not ruled out, and i think that definitely is a possibility. That has more evidence behind than evolution though. Natural selection has been displayed in insects and changing environments as late as the 60's with a certain experiment i cannot remember the details of. But evolutionists must not definitely must figure out what's up with these carvings, structures and statues that were definitely done by human or non-human beings, hen humans were not supposed to be have been around at this time.
Why were humans not supposed to have been around at this time? What evidence do you have that suggests humans weren't evolved to the state to be able to carve rocks 12,000 years ago?
But you know, you bring up a good point. Even IF these rocks were carved at a time that predated humans being able to do so, that STILL isn't evidence that evolution isn't true. There is nothing saying that aliens couldn't have come and done it. This OP is literally evidence of NOTHING as it pertains to evolution and is a fail thread which has been outlined MANY times to the OP. The fact that you didn't read ANY of the thread and just blindly agreed with the OP shows you are uneducated on this topic.
originally posted by: bigman88
Evolutionists make claims of there being no God.
originally posted by: bigman88What are humans 12,000 years ago using to carve those perfectly geometric patterns out of the side of the mountain?
originally posted by: bigman88What i am saying is evolutionists have lost credibility when it comes to this subject hen they do not have all the various subjects and factors; the giants remains and all their giant tools/weapons (plenty of which the Smithsonian incinerated. Nothing strange there), the conical skulls (had binding will not half of those skull shapes), the fundamental question of at what point does this sea breathing organism evolve to walk on land? Does the mother swim to shore, hold it's breath, and birth the offspring there? Does the offspring itself spend it's first few moments or years in water, then start growing physical land attributes? Was this offspring semi-aquatic, being able to live and breath on land, but needs water for survival also?
originally posted by: bigman88 It does disprove evolutionists of there current theory, and may need to re-work the original theory to fit with later discoveries.
originally posted by: aorAki
originally posted by: bigman88
Evolutionists make claims of there being no God.
Actually, 'evolutionists' do not make such claims. Atheists make such claims. Evolutionary scientists can be of a religious bent.
originally posted by: bigman88What are humans 12,000 years ago using to carve those perfectly geometric patterns out of the side of the mountain?
I would hazard that they are using tools. Where are you getting the 12 000 BP date, by the way? There is plenty of well-researched information about the tools and methods that were used. Harte and Hanslune both have provided them, in various threads.
originally posted by: bigman88What i am saying is evolutionists have lost credibility when it comes to this subject hen they do not have all the various subjects and factors; the giants remains and all their giant tools/weapons (plenty of which the Smithsonian incinerated. Nothing strange there), the conical skulls (had binding will not half of those skull shapes), the fundamental question of at what point does this sea breathing organism evolve to walk on land? Does the mother swim to shore, hold it's breath, and birth the offspring there? Does the offspring itself spend it's first few moments or years in water, then start growing physical land attributes? Was this offspring semi-aquatic, being able to live and breath on land, but needs water for survival also?
It sounds like you are just reiterating what you have read on websites. It's really difficult to discuss matters with you when you rely on disinformation and pseudo-science.
originally posted by: bigman88 It does disprove evolutionists of there current theory, and may need to re-work the original theory to fit with later discoveries.
I'm not quite sure how this disproves evolution as we understand it?
the dicsovery, and incineration of hundreds of giant skeletal remains and their equipment by an authority in this field, the Smithsonian institute (look it up, they really did) has sealed it for me.
originally posted by: bigman88
What proof has evolution offered showing humans in our form were around 200,000 years ago?
What i am saying is evolutionists have lost credibility when it comes to this subject
originally posted by: bigman88
What proof has evolution offered showing humans in our form were around 200,000 years ago?
Evolutionists make claims of there being no God.
What are humans 12,000 years ago using to carve those perfectly geometric patterns out of the side of the mountain?
What i am saying is evolutionists have lost credibility when it comes to this subject hen they do not have all the various subjects and factors; the giants remains and all their giant tools/weapons (plenty of which the Smithsonian incinerated. Nothing strange there), the conical skulls (had binding will not half of those skull shapes), the fundamental question of at what point does this sea breathing organism evolve to walk on land? Does the mother swim to shore, hold it's breath, and birth the offspring there? Does the offspring itself spend it's first few moments or years in water, then start growing physical land attributes? Was this offspring semi-aquatic, being able to live and breath on land, but needs water for survival also?
I did not blindly follow the op. I recognized that these carvings and rectangular chunks pf missing rock cannot disprove the concept of evolution itself (logic can do that all on it's own) evolution. It does disprove evolutionists of there current theory, and may need to re-work the original theory to fit with later discoveries.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: bigman88
the dicsovery, and incineration of hundreds of giant skeletal remains and their equipment by an authority in this field, the Smithsonian institute (look it up, they really did) has sealed it for me.
OK so I looked it up.
Yeah sure that looks legit.