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3 Months Since Legalizing Marijuana, Here's What Colorado Looks Like

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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 05:46 PM

originally posted by: Visitor2012
a reply to: mahatche

I wouldn't say alcohol has no health benefits. There are studies that show the occasional glass of wine is good for you. I could provide links if you need em, but it's a pretty commonly accepted idea.

So should we allow tens of thousand of people to die, just so you can have your one glass of wine? Why isn't alcohol banned? There's substantial evidence that shows it is a plight on our society, so when we talk about who to blame for our extreme social problems, why are the people who indulge in alcohol, pointing the finger away from themselves? And why are these same people, who are also probably popping pharma pills every day, not addressing the tens of thousands of horrible deaths that come from the legal pharma industry every year?

It's absolutely laughable to address anything other than that.

I've defended legalization this entire thread, with multiple posts saying weed is better than alcohol, so these questions don't really apply to me. I'm with you, I'm just pointing out the unbiased fact that in moderation alcohol does indeed have some benefits. I don't need to make drinks the devil to support weed, I can be realistic about both.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 06:05 PM
In response to a few of the posts here.. Im going to dance around this a little.

I was an RN that worked in an ER for right around 10 years. I never saw any "partaker" come in having killed a family in an accident, been beaten to death in a brawl he drunkenly started, etc etc etc.. thats for those who drink alcohol. Thats just my personal experience.

I have never "partaken" and Im rolling toward 50 yrs old as we speak. I didnt even partake in college. I also dont drink, though I have in the past here and there. Im just not into drinking or needing/wanting recreational stuff like that. Legalizing it wont tempt me to try it. I have no desire for it. There are MANY like me. Dumbing down the population by legalizing is a silly argument as many others for legalization sweeping the country and everyone suddenly lighting up. WONT HAPPEN. Stop buying into that BS propaganda. Another personal experience.. I was roomies in college with a brilliant young man who later went on to be the first to make "laser light shows" and pioneered other things related to cool lasers. He was pretty frenetic and unable to organize when he wasnt partaking. The laser light show for a certain science center was created in his mind, put to paper, all the other stuff inbetween including writing a proposal, and small scale manufactured by him while partaking. This substance CAN be used beneficially... I saw it in action. It treated adhd before it was adhd... LOL! Way back when.. we werent medicated for real problems. We were abandoned or ostracised. Self medication was the only relief some had.

If it were to be studied and used medicinally - FANTASTIC! If it were to be used in textiles - SUPER FANTASTIC.

You have to realize that the naysayers are waggling their fingers and saying SEE I TOLDJA SO when its barely hit its peak of legal abuse/misuse. When things are legalized people go wacky with "freedom" once they are "allowed" ( think 21st bdays) and then it eases and becomes just another componant of life. Youll see this in any area that legalizes. Its expected, common knowledge, and if anyone maybe picked up a book and read about the social impacts of prohibition and the end of prohibition they wouldnt be dazzled by the BS.

We use components and formulations of MANY "illegal drugs" OTC and RX. YOu have to ask yourself why our country has made such and idiotically LOUD and illogical stance concerning it. Now, back when I know King Cotton was an influence.. and still is somewhat. We have to look at 2014 and ask ourselves WHY this substance in particular is so demonized. See where Im going here hopefully?? LOL! Everything is a racket...

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:16 PM
LISTEN FOLKS, the only reason pot is being legalized is that the bankers who control the money supply (the banking cartel) have been working to get it legalized to increase their profits, there is no concern whatsoever about health benefit concerns, alcohol is another example of what I'm talking about. Really I don't feel it has anything to do with raising money off of taxes at all. It is only about the banking cartel, can and will control the profits from being made. The banking cartel (worldwide) I'm quite sure they have been working behind the scenes to pedal it in legalizing it. (Mexican banking cartel) Money always talk, not the people wishes. If not, think of American cigarettes, once nearly controlled and almost banned in foreign countries, well, now American tobacco is a powerful political influence in these countries because of profit for the international banking cartel. THE BANKING CARTEL DECIDED TO INCREASE PROFITS BECAUSE OF SALES OF LIQUOR AND CIGARETTES ARE NOW BEING TOO TIGHTLY CONTROLLED BY THE "PEOPLES" DESIRE TO REDUCE THEIR INTAKE.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:02 PM
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I have one or two points I would like to make. If a psychopath drinks alcohol and kills somebody then it is usually said that he killed that person because he was a psychopath. So why is it that when a psychopath smoke MJ and shoots somebody the drugs are at fault and should be banned.

If kids get hold of drugs at home and overdose, the responsibility should fall on the parents to keep these drugs out of reach of children. How many kids have ODed on Valium and sleeping pills over the years? Do doctors call for these drugs to be banned when kids get hold of them?

MJ is classed as a drug and should be treated as such. A citizen in the US needs to be over 21 to drink, is there any age limit on MJ? Maybe the MJ manufacturers should bring out a MJ junior in the same way the drugs companies are bringing out hundreds of codeine based medicines for kids that can be bought of the shelf in a pharmacy. Given that Codeine is a weaker version of morphine, would Codeine Jr. not be more addictive than MJ and more likely to lead to the abuse of harder substances? Will the next evolution in MJ be to create a drowsy free version that means you can operate heavy machinery while stoned? Or will the big companies just keep releasing false and manipulative information until they can figure out a way to replicate THC?

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:16 PM
a reply to: musicismagic

Doubt it. Those big banks have made a fortune laundering money from the drug trade and are apparently exempt from any prosecution by the US.

One thing I have noted is states with lenient cannabis laws tend to have strict gun laws and states with strict cannabis laws have lax gun laws(Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida are great examples).

Perhaps they hope by legalizing it, the people will be too stoned to care about gun control laws.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:35 PM

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: GoShredAK

Open minds to what?

Don't answer, just think on it a while.

Actually that is one of the reasons Ronald Reagan used as to why MJ should be kept illegal. He said it caused young people to sit around read books and discuss what was going on in the world. A person expanding their mind shouldn't be feared.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:38 PM
a reply to: hornetsnest616

They've been trying to replicate THC for years now. All of their products are ineffective. There is no synthetic form of THC that is effective, and there never will be.

It's much too complex to replicate, considering we don't fully understand how it interacts with our body at large yet.

I agree, like anything 21 or over. Well I think 18 is fine because hell at 18 if you aren't an adult you never will be.


posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:46 PM
a reply to: jrod
Arizona seems to be the exception.

Nobody is taking the guns from the medical MJ card holders here.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:27 PM
I had a heart attack at 30 due to high cholesterol and smoking tobacco, nicotine being a vascular constrictor tightened up and artery stuck closed, blood test and heart cath proved the nicotine caused the inevitable which was a ticking time bomb already.

Anyhow 2 stints later was put on plavix, aspirin, coreg, lisinopril, lipitor
My cardiologist took me off every single pill and with medical marijuana my cholesterol has dropped faster than a statin drug, but I'm eating better, my blood pressure stays normal even tested under medical stress test while on marijuana.

No more insane side effects and the crazy "dysfunction" bp meds cause and flu symptoms statin drugs cause.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:28 PM
a reply to: thesaneone

yeah i had a tenant with a MJ card one of the times the cops came over when neighbors complained about us doing target practice they only cared that he was not high while using the fire arm(mj card number is on a state database so they have access to info) (police asked me if id been drinking as we were shooting beer cans,i was not ) but that can often be up to the officers discretion

how the law is worded i think they key provisions are "unlawful user" implying some one smoking pot bought from the street in a non legal area (no medical or in colorado and Washington's case legal mj) so under that description medical card holders and or users where it is legal could in theory not be held to this restriction

the other part would be the "addicted to" portion,now thats the tricky part as there have been many conflicting reports on weather or not mj is addictive or not.(im not getting into that here just saying that some studies say no others say yes)
so again that sentence could complicate the matter. the atf seems to think that if you buy a gun as a mj card holder you are admitting addiction to medical MJ and thus claim your lying on the form and voila instant prohibited that logic any one on any prescription medication(opiates,sleeping pills of a prescription nature etc) legal or otherwise that becomes "addicted to" would be also banned. on a final note related to this topic by the atf logic some people who take medications so that they can live and or function(those in high pain,or those who take mental health medications) could in theory be labeled the same as addicts as in some cases the people who use them have to take them for the rest of their lives.

and just as an added note if your gonna be shooting a gun dont be on any kind of drug legal or otherwise medical card holders in Illinois will not be banned least not on the state level Spokane case may set case law on the matter in question one democratic representative is arguing for legal users/medical card holders to be able to retain their second amendment rights this might be one thing the supreme court has to figure out another link on the topic
edit on 17-5-2014 by RalagaNarHallas because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:39 PM

originally posted by: ThinkYouSpeak
people getting sick from marijuana? impossible. sure a KID WHO HAS NO BUSINESS TAKING THE MEDICINE may feel akward..cus its a drug and modifies how they feel. parents need to be responsible and talk to their children. i could eat 40235092350 medicated brownies and have no adverse issues

This is a pretty ludicrous statement to make.

First of all, yes, it is a DRUG.

Second of all, yes children AND adults get sick from it all the time. It IS possible to overdose on the DRUG THC.

And thirdly, I am getting really tired of people saying that it's impossible to hallucinate from it. WRONG again. It CAN cause of sorts of hallucinations in high enough doses, especially If eaten.

Do a quick search on it and you will find all sorts of articles and info to back it up.

If you want to spout off about all the benefits of this DRUG, go ahead. But let's not gloss over the very REAL risks and dangers involved.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:43 PM
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Personally I am about as clean a person as there is, I do not smoke, or drink, or even take aspirin, though I have tried those things I really se no reason for them. On pot, I have tried it a few times like I have tried smoking a few times and its not really my thing I have a hard time caring about such things, I have been in countries were weed grows on the side of the street literally like weed and the inhabitants do not know what it is or if they do they make no deal about it. However here in the more civilized places, well all hell ensues over no issues what so ever but the same old. The same old being $$$, it is the reason why marijuana was made illegal, and even now that its sort of legal, its still the same old thing, people who are going to smoke it will smoke it in either case.

However now that its legal to sell, a whole bunch of people are getting licensees to sell it I know a guy who is trying to do that get legal and open up a weed store, kind of a little convenience store, and likely he will make more money off that then his real job. But to me I really dont see the point, like I said it takes little skill or knowledge to grow it, which is why the laws and all the legal or illegal doctrine and licensing were in place before. The same applies to now, I do believe in most states its legal to own, its sort of legal to smoke on your own property, and its legal to sell and carry small amounts in certain places, but I do not think it is legal to grow unless you go through the process required and all the paperwork and then some.

In the end the only thing it achieves is just a shift in the proceeding profits and control of that market and all markets which feed of it, legalizing it while I think makes it a more fair grounds and less pressures on people. It ultimately changes nothing, and like I said in some places people walk by those plants and dont even bother with it. Its merely the human capacity and the mental outlook and output and process of humans when they are in large groups.

Its just more stupid #, making mountains out of molehills all in the name of profits. But hey even that is better then castrating people for life because they had a plant on them...I suppose that would be considered progress on this planet called earth.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:59 PM
WOW just imagine the economy boom if the whole us legalized it.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 11:14 PM
Anything that is mind altering and easily accessible can create abuse but we also know those who abuse substances will get it one way or another so I think it being legal is the way to go.

Marijuana helps people to relax, avoid mood swings (people with mood disorder swear by it), helps with pain, is effective for ADHD, and may help with some sleep disorders. I'm not sure about eating disorders but I'm sure that will become a study eventually (emotionally based so unlikely). It also clearly makes people high. So does alcohol. Cigarettes also make people high initially, and these alter dopamine and norepinephrine receptor activity (and more). I don't use it, but I fully support its legality. I'm glad to see its working out.

In the 70's Nixon and his posy outlawed marijuana due to the corruption he felt it brought about. If we think of what was going on at that time it makes sense. We were starting to pull troops out of Vietnam, the pot smoking Manson family committed a crime spree of the century, and the hippie movement was dying. Protests brought about by the war also threatened authority, and because that was so strongly associated with this drug this could play a part too. I feel they will watch for this, but it won't happen. It is my understanding that it was anti Vietnam and then pot, not the other way around. They need to calm down and stop criminalizing this drug. By criminalizing we create more criminals and more reasons for trafficking in drugs.

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 11:54 PM
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

The Illinois mmj program is a joke you pretty much have to be on your deathbed to get approved and that's not including the 175 dollar a year fee plus the cost to get fingerprinted.

posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:19 AM

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

The Illinois mmj program is a joke you pretty much have to be on your deathbed to get approved and that's not including the 175 dollar a year fee plus the cost to get fingerprinted.

Never heard of such a thing. Like to read up on it. Link please.

posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:36 AM

WEED check it out

posted on May, 18 2014 @ 07:33 AM

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

WEED check it out

Education= the truth

Terrible so many lives have been thrown in jail/prison, yet, kill someone while DUI and you spend less time in jail than it would take to get a State professional certificate.

posted on May, 18 2014 @ 09:14 AM
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I think as far as hazards, little kids taking and ingesting marijuana, they are going to happen, just like children get into moms pill bottle from her purse or the bathroom counter. It happens. Thankfully however, the kids probably won't die. it has been noted that many of the young people involved in shooting rampages across the nation have been prescribed anti-anxiety drugs. Withdrawal or chemical dependency plays a part in their depression. Some of the drugs even mention "may encourage thoughts of suicide" (and I posit murder as well). Odd that no one has considered limiting or stopping use of these drugs.

With legalized marijuana I believe you may find "depression related" crimes or tragedies decrease. People tend to mellow out, chill or become temporarily placated on pot due to a lack of motivation. They are less likely to be combative. (unless there is another stronger drug at work)

I think it is interesting that people are worried about crime due to pot legalization. Have you ever seen how fast any area will get a casino if they want it? Crime be damned. Gambling problems? Who cares...when there is money involved and billionaires behind it, they find a way to get it done - regardless of accompanying dangers.

I think the biggest problem with marijuana laws is the hypocrisy. Consider the drug, alcohol and tobacco industry and the fortunes those 3 have amassed by peddling unquestionably hazardous products. How many people have they killed, without any question about it - it is in the millions. On the other hand, an allegedly "free" citizen of this land can go to jail for smoking a plant that grows naturally! Studies show this flowering shrub does not appear to cause ill effects in fact it decreases nausea. It also is shown to calm you down, alleviate depression and hyperactivity and may have a wide range of additional health benefits. Its the hypocrisy of criminalizing this freely growing plant, while at the very same time allowing established empires, profiting off a full gamut of dangerous, deadly chemicals and chemical concoctions, that bothers me. It is promoting an illusion of freedom without actually giving people that freedom to make their own sound and personal choices, that bothers me. That isn't freedom. That's just peddling your own drugs.

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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 12:52 PM
a reply to: westcoast



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