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originally posted by: SilentKillah
originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
yes, and yes it does, fact is they would not be here in our country molesting our citizens if they were kept out. what part of take care of our own did you not understand. that means you keep law breakers that can be caught at the border crossing first, and deporting all those who can be caught that are illegal, while working to catch the ones who will slipped past the screeners.
it is still a crime to come into the U.S. illegally. they should not be given a pass just because they have not broken any other laws. which in fact they break many other laws, by being here and partaking in our way of life.
i'll say it again if you want to come here get in line with the others and wait your turn to do it legally.
Oh... trust me, I understand taking care of our own very well. Much better than you in fact. The fact is, 536 of the molestations in North Carolina happened from family, friends of the family, or acquaintances. Your value of taking care of our own doesn't address the BIGGEST issue of the matter. In fact, it addresses the smallest. So if you want to take care of our American children, then maybe your focus should be shifted to the biggest issue and take care of that first!
Oh... trust me, I understand taking care of our own very well. Much better than you in fact.
originally posted by: SilentKillah
originally posted by: macman
originally posted by: SilentKillah
Yes. Why?.. because 28% of molestation event occur from family members. How about we focus on fixin the biggest part of the problem before moving to the much lesser 13 per year number... less than 2%.
Seriously... big concern of 13 out of 549 in the state of North Carolina???? Yea... it's all the illegals fault.
Illegals are here illegally. Remove them, remove those 13. It's a start.
Unless you want to be their apologist now, the removal of a person that commits crimes several times over should be removed.
Then go after the "white guys" after that.
Sorry... in my line of work and in my educational background, I follow the Pareto Principle. Going after illegals due to child molestation doesn't even fit into the 20% category. I'd rather attack the family issues that lead to grown men (and women) molesting their children. But... by all means, continue to focus on the smalles of the issues and see how much of an impact you can make. Maybe we'll stop getting delicious fruits in the grocery store... illegals seem pretty good at picking oranges for small pay under the table.
Illegals already show a disregard for laws.
When I was in LE, I did not restrict myself to certain groups for investigations, interactions or arrests.
Are there some that don't act like this?? Sure. But not as much as people are lead to believe anymore.
They shouldn't be here, period.
removing illegals from the equation seems to remove some of the instances of molestation.
Illegals already show a disregard for laws.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
What tribe does your family owe its heritage too?
Cause that is the only way you are not in that same category...
originally posted by: Sremmos80
BS, it has been shown plenty on this thread that american men and women are doing this same crime at the same, if not higher rate...
It has also been shown that the molestation usually takes place on their own kids, so now the crime it just taking place some where else.. But I guess out of sight, out of mind right?
At least the kids can get some help in the states.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
This thread has a, get rid of the people we assume
are criminals and then we won't have any crime.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
That is a pipe dream, you can not prevent crimes that way. Most crimes are not preventable, they happen, usually heat of the moment
originally posted by: Sremmos80
When do we start deporting american citizens to prevent crimes?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
America is home to those looking for a better life
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Those in the pursuit of life liberty and happiness, who are you to say who shouldn't be here, period?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
And before you go and say "well these men and women are breaking laws!!"
well no # , america has enough of them, I bet you break one or two almost every day
Oh, you are one of these people.
US law, US citizen dictates such things.
Illegals should not be here.
No need to deport just to prevent crime.
Deport due to already breaking laws.
When the person is already a criminal and needs to be returned back to their country of origin anyways
Ahhhhhh the US law regarding migration and US borders.
Now that is cute. The old tired retort of, "well, US citizens break laws too".
That is nice.
Illegal is still illegal. Trying to deflect the illegal actions of one group by pointing out the actions of another is about the weakest debate tactic out there.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Ya I am one of those people that don't ignore how this country really came to be, by illegal immigrants if we went by today's process, came over from england and took control of this country form people already here.
Raping and pillaging the whole time, women and children were not spared
Ogalala tribe is where I owe my heritage to btw
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Well this thread is about preventing crimes and you have already said that if we deport them then the crimes will be prevented, so what is it? Does the deporting prevent the crime from happening?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
That is not what I asked, I asked when do we start deporting american citizens for breaking the law?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
When do we start putting citizens through the same back ground check that we put the immigrants through.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
If it takes so much to get into this country, shouldn't it be even harder to stay?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Would you be ok with a blanket, if you break a law then we deport you?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Or is that only ok with people that are "illegally" here...
In the land of free....
originally posted by: Sremmos80
Pretty sure the pursuit of life liberty and happiness predates those laws, so does the fact of america being the land of immigrants from all over the world.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
So again, are you willing to deport the people that followed those rules but have since broken them?
originally posted by: Sremmos80
If it is such an old and tired and weak retort then I would expect a better rebuttal lol
originally posted by: Sremmos80
I am not trying to deflect, just trying to un-sensationalize the link the OP made to illegals and child molestation, if you don't separate them out of the equation then it is happening even more.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
No reason to point out that illegals are doing it if it is really about the kids.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
That is the point, that the OP would stoop low enough to attach a very real issue and hide behind it to attack illegals when they are doing the very same thing that american citizens that are here legally are doing in higher numbers
Seeing as there was no country for people to be illegally here on, your argument is invalid.
And if those illegals weren't here, those molestations would not have occurred.
One problem solved, many to go.
When the law dictates that is the case.
Explain to me how exactly you got the notion that it is okay to break laws to come here, and break laws staying here by stating "Land of the Free"
You do realize that the US was a sovereign country when freed from British rule, thus bringing us to the idea of borders and the country.
And immigrants are not the issue. Not even close. Not even on the same planet. No one has stated to stop allowing immigrants in.
The issue is illegals. The people here, that broke laws coming here and break laws staying here.
When did I state that?
Follow the bouncing ball.
Illegal.......means here illegally......laws have been broken....they need to be deported..
Did illegals molest kids, yes or no?
If they weren't here illegally, they would not have molested a kid here.
originally posted by: SilentKillah
a reply to: macman
Look... I don't care about deporting illegals on the basis that they're breaking a law. I am against the notion that this thread brings about "All illegals rape children and should be deported because of that alone". But even beyond both of those, I'm against child molestation. Child molestation and illegals do not belong together as a reason for deportation. It's just that simple!
Maybe we'll stop getting delicious fruits in the grocery store... illegals seem pretty good at picking oranges for small pay under the table.
originally posted by: applesthateatpeople
a reply to: Night Star
Ship them back and they will molest children there.
Are you suggesting USA children are all that matters?
You make no sense.
Pedophilia will happen no matter where you send it.
America was built on immigration.
Right, America was built on immigration, but not ILLEGAL immigration. Huge difference.
Most cases of child molesters are repeat offenders. Had those illegal tried to come here legally, surely there would be a record of it and they would be refused entry.
If we ship them back and they commit a crime in their own Country, it's up to their own Country to arrest them.
Ya I am one of those people that don't ignore how this country really came to be, by illegal immigrants if we went by today's process, came over from england and took control of this country form people already here.
Raping and pillaging the whole time, women and children were not spared
Ogalala tribe is where I owe my heritage to btw