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Oregon county puts stop to incinerating aborted babies for electricity:

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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609
grow up.


Thank you for being the adult in the room and telling those of us who dislike this practice to "grow up".

Please display the correct source that refutes these claims.

Waiting.




posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mindseye1609

From the OP's source.

SALEM, Oregon, April 24, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Marion County Board of Commissioners announced late Wednesday that they are putting a stop to a waste-to-energy facility’s program that was incinerating aborted babies to produce electricity.


did you look into lifesitenews.com at all?!?!?!? how can anyone take any of it seriously its a neo christian tabloid website blabbing about homosexuality and mormons and kinds of god told me to give abortions and blah blah blah blah buncha bull #. not a scientific site that tells the truth based on logic in an attempt to remain completely impartial. its a site that is trying to steer an agenda. grow up.


a who is of lifesitenews.com brings us this



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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: mindseye1609
grow up.


Thank you for being the adult in the room and telling those of us who dislike this practice to "grow up".

Please display the correct source that refutes these claims.

Waiting.


im digging but its kinda hard to find. the first 20,000 pages of any search that has anything to do with incinerators in power plants links back to the original emotionally charged reports.

the fact is the tissue itself doesn't fuel anything. it actually requires a fuel to burn it. this plant in oregon GOT PAID by the the city this stuff came from in BC to get rid of it. this PAYMENT covers the gap in the extra energy use to incinerate stuff and probably works out to a nice little chunk of profit.

this is so charged i wouldnt be surprised if someone owns these power plants and is making billions and someone else wants that money so they are trying to demonize a perfectly safe and clean practice.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: mindseye1609
grow up.


Thank you for being the adult in the room and telling those of us who dislike this practice to "grow up".

Please display the correct source that refutes these claims.

Waiting.


im digging but its kinda hard to find. the first 20,000 pages of any search that has anything to do with incinerators in power plants links back to the original emotionally charged reports.

the fact is the tissue itself doesn't fuel anything. it actually requires a fuel to burn it. this plant in oregon GOT PAID by the the city this stuff came from in BC to get rid of it. this PAYMENT covers the gap in the extra energy use to incinerate stuff and probably works out to a nice little chunk of profit.

this is so charged i wouldnt be surprised if someone owns these power plants and is making billions and someone else wants that money so they are trying to demonize a perfectly safe and clean practice.


So you nor anyone apparently can dispute the claims made by the OP's source, correct?



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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From the horses mouth...

marion country oregon waste to energy facility homepage.



The keystone of Marion County’s solid waste disposal system is the Waste-to-Energy Facility (WTEF) located in Brooks just off Interstate 5. The plant is privately owned and operated by Covanta Marion, Inc.

The facility processes on average 550 tons of garbage each day and provides the 325,000 citizens of Marion County with a reliable and environmentally safe means of garbage disposal.

Each day, about 130 loaded refuse trucks arrive at the facility. Once there, they are weighed by truck scales. The truck then proceeds to the tipping floor where the garbage is dumped into a 34-foot deep pit. Nearly 3,000 tons of refuse can be held in the pit at a time. An overhead crane mixes the garbage in the pit and lifts it into one of the two hoppers that feed the two boilers.

The trash is burned at temperatures reaching 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. This head boils water, generating steam which in turn drives turbines which generate electrical power. By burning our trash, the facility generates approximately 13 Megawatts of electricity annually, enough to provide power for a city the size of Woodburn every year.

The WTEF processes about 90% of the County’s garbage. The other 10% consists of construction and demolition wastes, food processing waste, and other miscellaneous non-burnable materials. These materials are placed in the County’s existing demolition landfill in Salem or is hauled to an out-of-county landfill.

As would be expected, the facility performs extensive air and ash quality monitoring in compliance with the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. To date, it’s environmental compliance record has been exceptional.

The WTEF not only converts garbage typically destined for a landfill into useful energy, it also provides an additional recycling service. Ferrous and non-ferrous metals which were not previously separated from the waste and which are processed through the combustion chambers are picked out of the ash with large magnets and an eddy current machine. This metal is cleaned and taken to markets for recycling. Last year, about 3,356 tons of metal were recycled by the Waste-to-Energy Facility.

During the incineration process, ash is generated in two ways. First, as material is combusted in the boiler, a residue is generated on the bottom of the boiler, called “bottom ash”. After combustion, this material is quenched with water in order to reduce its temperature. This ash is then placed on a conveyor. As the waste is burned, many fine particles are carried away with the hot air stream which rises from the boiler. As mentioned above, this heat is used to boil water which generates steam used to drive the turbines. The particles are collected when the air is passed through the fabric baghouse filters prior to being discharged. This material is called “fly ash”. This ash is shaken loose from the baghouse filters and is placed on the same conveyor which carries the bottom ash, resulting in a mixture of the two.

The ash on the conveyor is then passed under a magnetic separator in order to remove the ferrous metals present in the ash. An eddy current machine is used to separate non-ferrous metals. The metals recovered are recycled. The ash is then deposited in an enclosed storage structure. From there, it is loaded into twin trailer trucks for transport to the North Marion County Disposal Facility ash monofill. The material is tipped from the truck at a designated location, and the ash is reprocessed to screen out additional ferrous and non-ferrous metals which were not removed at the WTEF. Last year 1,316 tons of metal were recycled. Most of the ash is then loaded into trucks which transport it to the Coffin-Butte Landfill north of Corvallis where it is used as daily cover in leu of soil. The ash is covered with a tarp during transport.

Once a portion of the ash monofill has been brought to its final design elevation, final cover is placed over that section. This cover typically includes a flexible membrane liner along with a layer of seeded topsoil.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: mindseye1609

to say that the medical waste was fueling these fires is silly. its a very small portion of whatever all thats getting dumped in there and whats getting dumped has to be ignited and continually heated with flames from the real energy source.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mindseye1609

From the OP's source.

SALEM, Oregon, April 24, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Marion County Board of Commissioners announced late Wednesday that they are putting a stop to a waste-to-energy facility’s program that was incinerating aborted babies to produce electricity.


OK, let's see where else this is found at.

Washington Times
ABC News

And they came from British Colombia.

KOMO News


Kristy Anderson, a British Columbia Health Ministry spokeswoman, told The Associated Press that regional health authorities there have a contract with a company that sends biomedical waste, such as fetal tissue, cancerous tissue and amputated limbs, to Oregon, where it's incinerated in the waste-energy plant.

The B.C. Catholic, a Vancouver-based newspaper, identified the plant as Covanta Marion, based in Brooks, Ore. When contacted by The AP on Wednesday, a Covanta Marion representative said he did not know if fetal tissue was included in shipments from Canada or elsewhere.

The facility is owned and operated by Covanta in a partnership with Marion County. According to its website, it processes 550 tons per day of municipal solid waste, generating up to 13 megawatts of energy sold to Portland General Electric.

Marion County estimates that the facility processes about 700 tons of in-county medical waste each year and about 1,200 tons from elsewhere, making it a small percentage of the total waste burned. Out-of-town medical waste is charged a higher fee.


So you pick on one source and yet, it's widely reported now.
edit on 4/25/2014 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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they use the term alot from what I'm seeing "Converts garbage to energy" but thats so far from the truth of how these things operate. my guess is thats a term to try and make it acceptable for all? its not actually converting the garbage like i said before these things can run without garbed. they could not load a thing into and those boilers are getting heat anyway. you see what I'm saying?

its a nice little racket they got going on thats getting all kinds of twisted with this story and id be willing to be $$$ is somewhere at the root of it.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: mindseye1609

to say that the medical waste was fueling these fires is silly. its a very small portion of whatever all thats getting dumped in there and whats getting dumped has to be ignited and continually heated with flames from the real energy source.


I don't think anyone said that the only source for fuel was the lifeless bodies of aborted children.

It's the disrespect for the dead that I have issue with.

But, as I've said before, if you wish to believe in this manner, then you are free to do so.

I will remain a primitive, idiot who respects the vessels where souls once rested.

You erudite, intelligent, highly progressive intellectuals can disregard my idiotic, primitive respect that I have for the dead, just ignore us. We aren't trendy, hip or cool like you fine, evolved folks.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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thnx actually warmnlndy i didnt notice the first time through it but theres alot more info to dig on that WHOIS.



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hmm i wonder.... the campaign life coalition....


this steve jalsevac character is something else.

i move to strike anything brought from lifesitenews.com in the future as being biased and bull #.

Anti-choice wing nut knows what this map means and doesnt let that stop him



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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all you people getting your panties in a bunch are doing exactly what is wanted of you. good little puppets!

and beezer i understand what your saying too. but thats a whole different issue. wether aborted fetus's deserve full blown funerals and whatnot should be a situational CHOICE just like abortion. its a very grey area topic with NO BLACK AND WHITE whatsoever.

us from the outside shouldn't be standing out here throwing stones saying this and that when every situation is different. i understand your despair beezer and warmn but be mad at the world we live in today not this poor little county in oregon. and DONT try to push an agenda with whats going on.

extremism is a terrible thing and WRONG no matter where it comes from. a more moderate understanding of things is needed in todays world. its not always one way or the other. its both. sometimes its this way over here. other times its a way that no one ever could of even imagined.

if you really wanna get upset with someone get upset with a world that has created an environment that women get pregnant on a staggering scale. whether the baby is aborted or not its a serious problem. we need to step back from these small skirmishes and look at the over all war and realize we are all fighting the same enemy.

immorality and corruption.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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"their tryna poison all the water and make pornstars out of all the daughters in town...."



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609
they use the term alot from what I'm seeing "Converts garbage to energy" but thats so far from the truth of how these things operate. my guess is thats a term to try and make it acceptable for all? its not actually converting the garbage like i said before these things can run without garbed. they could not load a thing into and those boilers are getting heat anyway. you see what I'm saying?

its a nice little racket they got going on thats getting all kinds of twisted with this story and id be willing to be $$$ is somewhere at the root of it.


And from Canada.

Of course money is at the root of it...

National Abortion Federation which is a Pro-choice website...


The exact cost of an abortion depends on many factors, such as how far along the pregnancy is, the kind of procedure and anesthetic that are used, and the kind of facility (clinic, physician's office, or hospital).

In general, though, women getting an abortion between six and ten weeks' gestation can expect to pay about $350 at an abortion clinic and $500 at a physician's office. Providing abortions later in pregnancy is somewhat more complicated, and is usually more expensive. For example, at 16 weeks gestation, abortion clinics generally charge around $650 and physicians' offices generally charge around $700. After the 20th week, the cost rises to above $1,000.2

Other costs might result if care is not available locally. These might include travel costs, costs for overnight stays, or lost wages in states requiring waiting periods between pre-abortion counseling and the abortion itself.


This comes from the pro-choice side. So whose best interest is this? Say a doctor charges $1,000 and performs 10 abortions in one week. That's $10,000. But suppose now that one person owns five clinics that perform let's see, 500 abortions a year. $500,000. And that's one city alone.

From the same above website


Each year, almost half of all pregnancies among American women are unintended.1 About half of these unplanned pregnancies, 1.3 million each year, are ended by abortion.1,2


Hmm, so if they charge the high end, how much again does the abortion industry earn? So whose best interest is it to keep the industry going?

But let's say a doctor has been doing this for 20 years, and the rising costs of abortions are unaffordable so the government then funds them. Even at $350, a doctor who could have performed let's say, 10,000 abortions in that 20 years, how much is the doctor earning?

Who profits from the abortion industry?



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

all kinds of people do I'm sure. thats actually low money for a doctor but why they would set up an abortion clanic is liquid assets. any mainstream doctor isnt truly rich they are tied up in insurance pay outs and credit and debt and just a big circle of MESS. but there are SEVERAL different rackets you can go do as a doctor to get paid substantially less but all in cash. cash is king and most of these doctors aren't at the top of their field so this is the best they can get. either way that has nothing to do with any of this. go start a thread somewhere about the profiteering on abortions.


i was simply commenting that party A was profiting the other day off of disposing the medical waste and someday soon we will know who Party B is who profits off it now. that medical waste and those fetus's are all still going to get incinerated.... just not in Oregon.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609
all you people getting your panties in a bunch are doing exactly what is wanted of you. good little puppets!

and beezer i understand what your saying too. but thats a whole different issue. wether aborted fetus's deserve full blown funerals and whatnot should be a situational CHOICE just like abortion. its a very grey area topic with NO BLACK AND WHITE whatsoever.

us from the outside shouldn't be standing out here throwing stones saying this and that when every situation is different. i understand your despair beezer and warmn but be mad at the world we live in today not this poor little county in oregon. and DONT try to push an agenda with whats going on.

extremism is a terrible thing and WRONG no matter where it comes from. a more moderate understanding of things is needed in todays world. its not always one way or the other. its both. sometimes its this way over here. other times its a way that no one ever could of even imagined.

if you really wanna get upset with someone get upset with a world that has created an environment that women get pregnant on a staggering scale. whether the baby is aborted or not its a serious problem. we need to step back from these small skirmishes and look at the over all war and realize we are all fighting the same enemy.

immorality and corruption.


That is another point, that is why I said abortions are unnecessary. If there were less pregnancies, there would be less abortions.

Sure, sometimes birth control doesn't work but there is one method that always works, abstinence. Married couples should have that conversation early on. If they aren't grown up enough to have the conversation, they probably shouldn't get married.

I believe that having children is a responsibility that should be equally shared.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: WarminIndy

all kinds of people do I'm sure. thats actually low money for a doctor but why they would set up an abortion clanic is liquid assets. any mainstream doctor isnt truly rich they are tied up in insurance pay outs and credit and debt and just a big circle of MESS. but there are SEVERAL different rackets you can go do as a doctor to get paid substantially less but all in cash. cash is king and most of these doctors aren't at the top of their field so this is the best they can get. either way that has nothing to do with any of this. go start a thread somewhere about the profiteering on abortions.


i was simply commenting that party A was profiting the other day off of disposing the medical waste and someday soon we will know who Party B is who profits off it now. that medical waste and those fetus's are all still going to get incinerated.... just not in Oregon.


And this is why we need more dialogue about this.

If we don't have all the facts, but a lifestyle is promoted that does bring profit, then it should be explored whether or not it is promoted for the interest of the doctors performing them or the interest of the women.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
What would be a better way of disposing of medical waste?


The only other option is "promession", where remains are frozen to -196C, turn as brittle and fragile as crystal glass, and placed in an ultrasound box that turns the remains into dust.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: mindseye1609
all you people getting your panties in a bunch are doing exactly what is wanted of you. good little puppets!

and beezer i understand what your saying too. but thats a whole different issue. wether aborted fetus's deserve full blown funerals and whatnot should be a situational CHOICE just like abortion. its a very grey area topic with NO BLACK AND WHITE whatsoever.

us from the outside shouldn't be standing out here throwing stones saying this and that when every situation is different. i understand your despair beezer and warmn but be mad at the world we live in today not this poor little county in oregon. and DONT try to push an agenda with whats going on.

extremism is a terrible thing and WRONG no matter where it comes from. a more moderate understanding of things is needed in todays world. its not always one way or the other. its both. sometimes its this way over here. other times its a way that no one ever could of even imagined.

if you really wanna get upset with someone get upset with a world that has created an environment that women get pregnant on a staggering scale. whether the baby is aborted or not its a serious problem. we need to step back from these small skirmishes and look at the over all war and realize we are all fighting the same enemy.

immorality and corruption.


That is another point, that is why I said abortions are unnecessary. If there were less pregnancies, there would be less abortions.

Sure, sometimes birth control doesn't work but there is one method that always works, abstinence. Married couples should have that conversation early on. If they aren't grown up enough to have the conversation, they probably shouldn't get married.

I believe that having children is a responsibility that should be equally shared.


i also agree with you on this point and I have no religious affiliation whatsoever. the world itself has become very immature about sex but thats a whole different debate.

having lots of babies (the pro life movement + the immorality of america) into homes that are divided and unmarried and unstable creates a giant population of kids who are looking for authority in their life. they either act out and end up a penal slave, or they act out and run around having promiscuous sex being a "Baller"(Resulting in more broken home babies) or maybe they join the military. either way in an authoritarian world a sheeple that seek help from an authority are easily controlled. its all just little pieces to the puzzle... BUT WE DIGRESS.

i still dont see how anyone could have anything wrong to say about this plant in oregon. this lifesitenews.com is a biased pro-life hack site that filled this article with trigger words and other nonsense to stir this debate.

absolutely nothing was accomplished by this article but stirring debate. the town in BC still has to dispose of the medical waste and the incinerator in oregon is going to be running business as usual just one client short.

i guess one thing still has yet to be found out, who's profiting on the waste now.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: captaintyinknots

What are the facts?

The facts are that these are aborted babies. And then harvested for heat. Do you see something wrong with that concept? You used the word harvest.

Hmm, so biological material is harvested.
Those are not the facts whatsoever, and that you would claim them as such is really telling.

The heat does not come from the medical waste. It comes from an outside source, which the waste is added to.

The ONLY thing that this changes is that now this heat is allowed to escape, instead of being used.

FACT.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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Because dumping them in a garbage pile is much more respectful, lol. At least they are producing energy this way. It's just a bunch of lifeless organic material at this point. Do you think the mothers of these aborted babies care? Why should we?




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