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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: beezzer
Why is cremation insulting to the dead? Both my parents were cremated. What else are we to do with medical waste? Dump it in the ocean?
This is just stupid outrage, much ado about nothing!
I accommodated you in two threads, that means you limited my freedom of religious expression and speech. But you won't discuss religion with me any more because you are offended by what I have said, and yet I still gracefully accommodated you.
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
Sweet Jesus!
Is this you accommodating me again? Is this another example of the grace that you were referring to?
I accommodated you in two threads, that means you limited my freedom of religious expression and speech. But you won't discuss religion with me any more because you are offended by what I have said, and yet I still gracefully accommodated you.
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Tell us, what does the medical waste constitute? I will tell you, brains,once beating hearts, hands, fingers, toes, legs, internal organs, tiny eyes that open and close, a little nose, a little mouth, soft bones, all the body parts that you have, are in those bags being tossed. As much as you say "medical waste" and not a person, you know very well this is what an abortion is. Now gleefully talk about it.
If your side keeps diminishing the value of a human life, how else do you expect our side to respond? You are the one who has reduced life to the point that it does not bother you at all when a pre-born infant is brutally damaged and tossed away in the trash. Then you call it cremation. Can you see how far down you have taken it to justify a "choice"?
Are you really uncomfortable with the medical procedure and then the throwing away of tiny arms and legs? Does that make you queasy?
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
Tell us, what does the medical waste constitute? I will tell you, brains,once beating hearts, hands, fingers, toes, legs, internal organs, tiny eyes that open and close, a little nose, a little mouth, soft bones, all the body parts that you have, are in those bags being tossed. As much as you say "medical waste" and not a person, you know very well this is what an abortion is. Now gleefully talk about it.
Well, as I said earlier, both my parents were cremated. But, they were also organ donors. I know for a fact that their corneas were used and a large amount of their skin, for burn recovery research I was told. We (our family) didn't stipulate what they could take and what they couldn't, so I don't know what all actually made it to the furnace, but we did get a shoe box of ashes for each of them.
If your side keeps diminishing the value of a human life, how else do you expect our side to respond? You are the one who has reduced life to the point that it does not bother you at all when a pre-born infant is brutally damaged and tossed away in the trash. Then you call it cremation. Can you see how far down you have taken it to justify a "choice"?
This thread isn't about choice or even abortion. It's about the misconception of the disposal of biological (hazardous) material, whether it be your wisdom teeth, tonsils, tumors or a gangrene leg, the remains of a corpse, it's all after the fact. It seems that, to some people, unceremonious cremation equals disrespect. Okay, I don't worry so much about what happens after the fact.
As far you looking out for my employment opportunities, I do actually know some people whose job it is to go collect "biological waste" such as aborted fetus, my parent's corneas, brain matter etc., to deliver to labs that are happy to get it. Their pay doesn't really match their education, but then again, they are usually undergrads! At any rate, I don't have the "creds" for the jobs your offering! But, hey, thanks for looking out for me!
originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: WarminIndy
very immature of you warminlndy to try and make people think that.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: WarminIndy
very immature of you warminlndy to try and make people think that.
Hmm, so you wouldn't mind having the job?
Do you know what it is called to not bring up the imagery of an abortion? Isn't ATS about denying ignorance? I am telling people to deny ignorance of what an abortion is. If you have a problem with the imagery, then perhaps you are having emotional issues with the concept. But as I ask in other threads, in the spirit of denying ignorance, can you explain the medical procedure of an abortion?
Have we progressed so far that we can't even look at the actual subject? What kind of immaturity is it to call it a medical procedure and then can't even deal with the imagery?
If you have a problem with the imagery, then go out there and remove every picture of what an abortion is. I haven't posted the pictures, because people might get queasy, but what does that say for your side? Don't allow people to be ignorant. If you can't deal with the imagery, perhaps you already have problems with it.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: mindseye1609
Can you then show us pictures?
How is this not supposed to emotional when people do indeed think of prenatal infants as babies. Then you get all in a huff because it is "emotional".
Then you ask us if we would like images of soldiers. How interesting that you compare the concepts, imagine that. Tell you what, you show the pictures you want and we will show the pictures we want. Sound fair enough?
originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: captaintyinknots
What are the facts?
The facts are that these are aborted babies. And then harvested for heat. Do you see something wrong with that concept? You used the word harvest.
Hmm, so biological material is harvested.
SALEM, Oregon, April 24, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Marion County Board of Commissioners announced late Wednesday that they are putting a stop to a waste-to-energy facility’s program that was incinerating aborted babies to produce electricity.
originally posted by: mindseye1609
originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: mindseye1609
Can you then show us pictures?
How is this not supposed to emotional when people do indeed think of prenatal infants as babies. Then you get all in a huff because it is "emotional".
Then you ask us if we would like images of soldiers. How interesting that you compare the concepts, imagine that. Tell you what, you show the pictures you want and we will show the pictures we want. Sound fair enough?
i never said i wanted to show them here that would be off topic and discourteous to others. just plain stupid and disrespectful move. for you even wanting to do that screams of childish back and forth behavior.
the abortion debate IS A VERY EMOTIONAL ISSUE. this issue tho has nothing to do with abortion.
question for you. how should we dispose of medical waste if not at an incinerator? since i already know there isnt a safe alternative il just continue on. we NEED to incinerate this stuff. no 2 ways about it.
now incinerators they are these big giant infernos that generate heat in a manner that its then used to either heat water or air which then creates pressure which then can be used to drive a turbine and generate electricity. end of story. natural gas is used alot of the times to get the burning going. so we burn natural gas to heat water to make electricity. cool right.
so now why is it that if all this is taking place we cant benefit from one of the byproducts which is EXTREME HEAT to help incinerate medical waste?
your fight is with whether aborted fetus's should be considered medical waste or not. thats a whole nother issue that i gladly invite you to start a new thread on and I'm sure it will get all kinds of debate. here however it has nothing to do with anything and it honestly seems like your trying to just drive the emotional agenda that the initial author was trying to capture. why? idk.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mindseye1609
From the OP's source.
SALEM, Oregon, April 24, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Marion County Board of Commissioners announced late Wednesday that they are putting a stop to a waste-to-energy facility’s program that was incinerating aborted babies to produce electricity.