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originally posted by: brandiwine14
I don't understand their reasoning for this. The school, nor does any school require that the the words "Under God" be recited, only the rest of the Pledge. So where is their real problem?
in a letter to Charles Thomson, written from Monticello, under date of January 9, 1816, he says: "I, too, have made a wee little book from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: 200Plus
The teachings of Jesus the man, not Jesus the demigod. If you take all the "holy father blippity blah" stuff out of it, and just keep the common sense "how not to be a raging phallus" stuff, you've got a pretty concise guide to how to be a decent human being. Which, I believe, is the point peter vlar was trying to make. Well, not trying - he made the point. I guess it slipped by some people.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: govmule
First, Einstein rejected the Judaic doctrine. Whatever god he believed in, it was not a god the Vatican or any church of Judaic or abrahamic descent would recognize or support. He determined that himself.
Second, I liken it to a homecooked meal as compared to a TV dinner. There is a virtue to meaning and value you've scraped together over a process of trial and error, because no one can teach you who you are or how that impacts your relationship with the world. Only you can figure that out, I don't care what any book says. Just because you didn't come with a preprogrammed destiny or a fixed purpose regardless of what you want to give to the world, doesn't mean you're helpless to beat your own path. If you know what you want, then you don't need an ultimate meaning. Your life and legacy is your meaning.
That's how I look at it, anyway.
originally posted by: oneupShadow
...because we all have been brainwashed into believing we are a democracy in the US. We are a Constitutional Republic...
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
I was almost sure that many people posting here would have been more outraged over a governmental institution having a policy about making people say things to begin with than over the religiousity of it all. Guess we know which outrage trumps which now.
Here is the statute in question:
18A:36-3. Display of and salute to flag; pledge of allegiance
Every board of education shall:
(a) Procure a United States flag, flagstaff and necessary appliances therefor for each school in the district and display such flag upon or near the public school building during school hours;
(b) Procure a United States flag, flagstaff and necessary appliances or standard therefor for each assembly room and each classroom in each school, and display such flag in the assembly room and each classroom during school hours and at such other time as the board of education may deem proper; and
(c) Require the pupils in each school in the district on every school day to salute the United States flag and repeat the following pledge of allegiance to the flag: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all," which salute and pledge of allegiance shall be rendered with the right hand over the heart, except that pupils who have conscientious scruples against such pledge or salute, or are children of accredited representatives of foreign governments to whom the United States government extends diplomatic immunity, shall not be required to render such salute and pledge but shall be required to show full respect to the flag while the pledge is being given merely by standing at attention, the boys removing the headdress.
You may opt out of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in New Jersey.
To the athiests who want to ban "Under God", you are a bunch of narrow-minded idiots who will be burning books if we allowed it.
originally posted by: Dianec
This is ridiculous. Like kids pick out one part of the pledge and are then persuaded to join a cultlike religion.
Second class citizens - hardly. God can mean the most high - the greatest self - transformed. If athiest want to tell their kods that what that means is humans they can do that. Interpret God as a person wants to - our right to do. To nit pick at this stuff will only lead to more of the same.
Indoctrinated is a really dumb word for something that is printed on money or said in a pledge to ones Country. Lets talk about indoctrinated and see where else this happens, and i would say God is the least of our worries.
What's the big threat? An athiest who wants no mention of God around them needs to live in a cave since the whole world is full of God beleiving people.