You people do realize the guard has plenty of troop moving rescue capable helicopters right? Taking away the Apache is taking away their ability to
fight in combat effectively. Next will come the fighter planes and then boom here comes an invasion or martial law. The Governors of all the states
need to stand up and say hell no you don't, you have them so we need to have them for state defense. Either that or load a lot of Black Hawks with
Mini-Guns and Hell fire missiles mounted on outside pods. Obama and his cronies will use any excuse to disarm the states.
Slight problem. Not all guard units are combat units. A lot of them are simple stuff like Medical, transportation, public affairs, maintenance etc.
Most of the combat units may not even have their own equipment anymore. Some of it may have been sent overseas to Iraq or kept at larger army posts.
That saves on the costs of transporting the stuff down there when you need to do annual training.
Or they may have the equipment listed on the units Table of organization but only get it handed to them when they get called up by the Department of
This may help put things into perspective, Read the entire article there's a lot of info here.
"To be honest, we feel betrayed.”
That’s what one National Guard gunship pilot told me when I asked him about the Army’s plan to strip the Guard of all its AH-64 Apache attack
helicopters. That plan — still awaiting approval by President Obama before he includes it in his budget request for fiscal year 2015 — is just one
part of a radical overhaul that includes complex downsizing and reshuffling of the Army’s entire helicopter force.
All told, the Army is losing 898 helicopters, 215 of them (24 percent) from the Guard. Driven by the cold realities of budget cuts, the plan has
stirred fiery emotions that push the Army leadership and the National Guard community closer to all-out political war.
“Here’s the issue: The Army has to pay a $79 billon bill over the next five years,” Army Chief of Staff, Gen. Ray Odierno said this morning.
“I can’t afford all the fleets of aircraft I have right now. We can’t afford them.…It is impossible under the budget that we’ve been
Speaking at an Association of the US Army breakfast, the visibly agitated Odierno was taking his second “Guard vs. Army” question in a row —
“The National Guard is the Army,” he’d hotly told the first reporter to ask — and the normally good-natured general cut me off mid-question to
give the impassioned response above.
“This is about affordability,” Odierno went on. “That’s the issue. People want to make it into something that it isn’t,” he went on.
“This is about not having the money to sustain the fleets we have now, so we have to make some tough decisions…. That doesn’t mean we think
it’s the right way necessarily but it’s the best way forward” — the best way, in other words, that the Army can afford.
The Army wants to move the Guard’s Apaches to active-duty scout squadrons to replace the helicopters those units are losing, the OH-58 Kiowas.
Lighter, nimbler, and cheaper to operate than the Apache, the beloved Kiowa is also much more vulnerable because of its lighter armament and armor. It
entered first service in 1968, almost half a century ago and Army officials have decided they cannot afford either to keep upgrading the Kiowa or to
develop a replacement, so they want to retire it completely over the next five years. (The Army move is similar to one that the Air Force is
considering, retiring the entire A-10 Warthog fleet to save an estimated $3.7 billion. That move has attracted furious opposition as well for
“It was going to be putting new shoes on an old horse for $10 billion,” said Army Lt. Gen. Kevin Mangum of the Kiowa upgrade plan. “By the way,
we don’t have that ten billion dollars.” As for replacing the Kiowa with a new Armed Aerial Scout — just one of the high-priority Army programs
now put on indefinite hold — “that would be a $16 billion bill.”
So the Army decided on a radical measure: replace Kiowas altogether with a mix of the most advanced Apache model, the AH-6E Guardian, coordinating via
wireless networks with Grey Eagle drones. In fact, a 2010 Army study said this “manned-unmanned teaming” was the best way to do reconnaissance
without building an all-new scout helicopter: Apache plus drones meets 80 percent of the requirements, Mangum said, while an upgraded Kiowa meets only
50 percent and the current Kiowa less than 20 percent.
“If we left it up purely to the budgeteers, it would really be ugly,” said Mangum, speaking to AUSA’s annual aviation symposium last week. Under
the default plan, he said, “we were going to keep old aircraft and give up new.” Instead of being passive “victims” of cuts that took a
proportional “salami slice” out of every program, he said, the Army “seized the opportunity” to reshape the force by retiring its oldest
aircraft en masse."