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A Message to my Fellow Britains

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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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Re-read the post, I never said or alluded to me planning riots. I said the government were getting the trucks for this summer's riots - Theresa May and Boris Johnson both used this exact same justification for their deployment.

Eh? I said that in my post - Major introduced PFI/PPI. Labour exponentially rolled it out.

If standing up for the worst off in society makes me a dickhead then I'm proud to be a dickhead.

And no, I don't read SWP #e as they're rape apologists/victim blamers. I'm more of an anarchist myself but know it won't work in the real world as there's too many greedy people out there.




posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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So basicaly you agree with covert ultra suppression of the consumerist masses to maintain order for a privatized consortium of business interests that seek to slash manufacturing costs on dwindling resources. Doesnt sound very sound to me mate, sounds pretty dodgy in all honesty.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Sorry I worded that sentence a bit "meh" yeh I wrote to my union reps at work who are the national Union for government employees in the UK. They have forwarded my complaints to parliament on behalf of the union.

I also contact my local MP , but he is a "bawbag" and didn't respond
also to number 10 and to Scottish parliament not one single response other than an automated email. I really do think I am on a blacklist somewhere.

Yeh I think that a footballer should pay heavy taxes if their accountant is finding loopholes , the taxpayer looses out we all work jobs and pay taxes they should too if they are held in high regard by millions of fans they have to have some morals right ?
Afterall they will earn more in one year than anyone could dream of earning in a life time. So they could at least contribute to the development of society not only through entertainment but through hard earned cash which goes to benefit others.
Everyone should pay tax into the system so that others who do not have can at least feel some sense of support afterall we should be living in a world where we dont have to stress to feed , clothe or educate ourselves, and that's every single human being on the planet. We have the power to do it but greed and imorality stop this.

Lust for wealth and power are the reason we are in this position, money is only good for the person that has it in their possession or their lifetime you cant spend it if your dead at least give to future generations.

Anyways could go off on a tangent so easily there

How bad have things got where even international law is ignored by certain corporations and countries, the whole world is a big miserable joke and we are the butt



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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bastion
reply to post by uncommitted
 


Re-read the post, I never said or alluded to me planning riots. I said the government were getting the trucks for this summer's riots - Theresa May and Boris Johnson both used this exact same justification for their deployment.

Eh? I said that in my post - Major introduced PFI/PPI. Labour exponentially rolled it out.

If standing up for the worst off in society makes me a dickhead then I'm proud to be a dickhead.

And no, I don't read SWP #e as they're rape apologists/victim blamers. I'm more of an anarchist myself but know it won't work in the real world as there's too many greedy people out there.


So comments such as "There's people's assemble meetings up and down the country to plan the backlash to all this in the summer - my town's meeting had 400 - 500 people whereas a couple of years back we'd struggle to reach double figures."

And....

"In anticipation for this summer's riots the government quietly approved the use of rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons on protestors on Budget Day to bury the news." Actually, you provided no links on that but frankly if rioting put my house at risk as it did for a lot of people in Tottenham, I would hope you faced at least water cannons, but it seems you won't be participating anyway will you?

You aren't standing up for anyone except your own political beliefs, don't try and dress it up.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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Bellor
reply to post by uncommitted
 


So basicaly you agree with covert ultra suppression of the consumerist masses to maintain order for a privatized consortium of business interests that seek to slash manufacturing costs on dwindling resources. Doesnt sound very sound to me mate, sounds pretty dodgy in all honesty.


That's quite a soundbite, I'm truly impressed you managed to fit it into one sentence - can you now break down what you actually mean please if you want me to respond? What does covert suppression of the consumerist masses mean to you?



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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Research the people's assembly then - it's MPs Councillors, activists, trade unions, professors and lecturers advising the public on how to campaign and demo against austerity - it has absolutely nothing to do with rioting. www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk...



The assembly will provide a national forum for anti-austerity views which, while increasingly popular, are barely represented in parliament. A People’s Assembly can play a key role in ensuring that this uncaring government faces a movement of opposition broad enough and powerful enough to generate successful co-ordinated action, including strike action. The assembly will be ready to support co-ordinated industrial action and national demonstrations against austerity, if possible synchronising with mobilisations across Europe. The People’s Assembly Against Austerity will meet at Central Hall, Westminster, on 22 June.


I provided the link to Boris revealing the use of cannons in that post so no idea why you're claiming I never posted the link. All you've done is removed the link from your quote.

And no I wont be taking part in any riots as all violence does is cost ordinary people a lot of money, means the government crackdown even harder and the press demonise the entire movement

Being politically active is not a bad thing, that you automatically assume I must be a violent rioter shows just how successful successive governments have been in demonising those who use democracy to bring about change.

My politics are you look out for those in need having been there myself - I have no idea why you think you know all about my political beliefs - I've worked as a support worker and volunteer for several years in the past so take your bull# elsewhere. It's not hard to help others for non-selfish reasons.
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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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bastion
reply to post by uncommitted
 


Research the people's assembly then - it's MPs Councillors, activists, trade unions, professors and lecturers advising the public on how to campaign and demo against austerity - it has absolutely nothing to do with rioting.

I provided the link to Boris revealing the use of cannons in that post so no idea why you're claiming I never posted the link. All you've done is removed the link from your quote.

And no I wont be taking part in any riots as all violence does is cost ordinary people a lot of money, means the government crackdown even harder and the press demonise the entire movement

Being politically active is not a bad thing, that you automatically assume I must be a violent rioter shows just how successful successive governments have been in demonising those who use democracy to bring about change.

My politics are you look out for those in need having been there myself - I have no idea why you think you know all about my political beliefs - I've worked as a support worker and volunteer for several years in the past so take your bull# elsewhere. It's not hard to help others for non-selfish reasons.
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So, if all violence does is cost people a lot of money, then why do you want to see tories hanging from lamp posts?

You posted a potted history of what I guess is your beliefs so I take that as what you believe in - not really difficult is it? Being politically active is surely a good thing, as long as that doesn't amount to carrying a Socialist (I've never been a) Worker placard at a rally and thinking that's being politically active.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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It's a play on the old hanging Facists from lampposts Musolini era. It's a very common phrase in the North so had wrongly assumed people would get the joke.

Fair play but I'm very active, regularly go to town meetings, write to local and national policians on a weekly basis with a huge pile of responses from the HoL and HoC - I go to weekly activist meetings and go on demos but mainly to meet decent activists or share ideas.

I completely get where you're coming from now, I'm not one of those Russel Brand/Black Block tossers who is only there for fame and fortune or to cause a disturbance but doesn't lift a finger to do anything useful and agree with you that they're a waste of space.

For example I leaked a load of government and University documents about privatisation of Unis and more top up fees to John Morgan who edits the Times Newspaper Higher Education supplement because the public had a right to know, even though it cost me my job in the process. I've done the same with homeopathy and other stuff but haven't been caught for those yet so best not to mention them on here.
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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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bastion
Sorry but you have no idea what you're on about.


Sounds like you have all the answers, why don't you become a politician and help fix your Nation's problems?


Tories are not socialists.


I never suggested that they were. Let's leave the left vs right nonsense out of it because both sides are in bed with the bankers.


There is no open borders policy in the UK, tier 2 has been raised to a limit of 100,000 immigrants per year. Immigrants generate £4Bn profit a year in the UK and pay a higher proportion of tax than UK residents.


Yeah right. Even so, how long do you think that you can sustain those numbers per year when you can't create enough jobs for them to fill? Let's use a little commonsense.


The entire welfare bill in the UK is for free healthcare, welfare, pensions, grants, education, heating allowancees etc...is £157Bn - if the government stopped letting Amazon, Google et al not pay a penny a penny in tax we'd have more then enough money to pay for all these services before the public pay tax.


LMAO! I beg to differ with those calculations. Nice story there though my friend. ~$heopleNation



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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reply to post by uncommitted
 


It's a play on the old hanging Facists from lampposts Musolini era. It's a very common phrase in the North so had wrongly assumed people would get the joke.

Fair play but I'm very active, regularly go to town meetings, write to local and national policians on a weekly basis with a huge pile of responses from the HoL and HoC - I go to weekly activist meetings and go on demos but mainly to meet decent activists or share ideas.

I completely get where you're coming from now, I'm not one of those Russel Brand/Black Block tossers who is only there for fame and fortune or to cause a disturbance but doesn't lift a finger to do anything useful and agree with you that they're a waste of space.

For example I leaked a load of government and University documents about privatisation of Unis and more top up fees to John Morgan who edits the Times Newspaper Higher Education supplement because the public had a right to know, even though it cost me my job in the process. I've done the same with homeopathy and other stuff but haven't been caught for those yet so best not to mention them on here.
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Fair do's and thanks for that. I'm glad you write to the local politicians, not so sure about activists but then that's my opinion only. Russel Brand does do my head in, but then anyone in their late 20's/30's with millions in the bank who claims to be 'right there with the kids' should always be treated with a level of caution.

For the hanging of the lampost comments, I only made the comment as some slightly unhinged individuals can take such things literally, or maim and murder UK soldiers on British streets, it wasn't to you personally.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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So is the whole world is making harsher cuts and austerity measures, we're all In The same boat....

And trident is out protection from an ever increasingly unstable world

Not really worth getting on the streets and acting like idiots destroying public property over, it's quite counter productive

I noticed the OP never mentioned all the good things which far out weigh the bad things, the UK economy is currently the best performing in the G7 which includes Germany US et , and is growing at 2.1%



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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I beg to differ with those calculations. Nice story there though my friend.


I may not agree with all of bastion's opinions, (I do agree with some and I admire his activism and passion), but I've got to say he's bang on the money with his point about tax evasion and tax avoidance by major corporations and big business. Its generally estimated that it costs The Treasury around £140 billion per year. Amazingly much of this is with HMRC knowledge.

The austerity cuts in the UK are nothing more than the way and means to punish benefit recipients whilst moving forward with the programme of privatising more and more essential services and a drive towards the return of a Victorianesque society along with all the social inequalities and injustices that went with it.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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Health and education are ring fenced,i wonder why? Its certainly not for the benefit of the public. Research where your tax money goes. The u.k is one big stafford hospital. Money comes first,consequences come later. I wish i could afford shares in health suppliers,i wish i could afford shares in exam boards etc etc like prostitutes the workers plod on.

I heard a rumour that 2 thirds of mp's are buy to let landlords,says it all ,doesn't it?

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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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Somebody embed this for me please
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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 06:14 PM
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Oh I have mate, I have written , emailed and sent letters to my union at work and not one MP has responded regarding tax avoidance . especially on the recent changes to HMRC allowing them to take money from your account if you owe over £1000 in unpaid taxes if you have over £5000 in your account. Even emails and letters to number 10 with not one single response
Of course why would they bother answering a political dissident?

Small fish , compared to the billions unpaid taxes by corporations.

they may not be doing anything illegal but in the end who suffers the majority , and who gains the minority it's not right legal or not. Unpaid taxes only cost the tax payer not the corporation

personally I'd rather these corporations were hung out to dry.

The fact it's legal only raises more questions as to why it's legal to do so in the first place, must be a loophole in our legislation which allows these corporate entities to manipulate the free market only the CEO's benefit and the board members and major share holders.

Now Im not saying they are all evil people or criminals but if they knowingly take a cut of the pie and know full well it's causing the people who work at the bottom to make the corporation what it is it's morally wrong and are also guilty in that sense.


If a corporation reduces their tax bill it benefits the majority who now have to pay less for their products. It also promotes greater equality since the money stays in the private sector instead of going to overpaid government workers and unionised blackmailers.

One of the big lies is that the government has introduced "austerity". Every year they've been spending even more than Labour at the height of Brown's pre-election madness.

Lots of problems remain in Britain, but a lack of hand-outs definitely isn't one of them.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 07:13 PM
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Freeborn
I may not agree with all of bastion's opinions, (I do agree with some and I admire his activism and passion), but I've got to say he's bang on the money with his point about tax evasion and tax avoidance by major corporations and big business. Its generally estimated that it costs The Treasury around £140 billion per year. Amazingly much of this is with HMRC knowledge.

The austerity cuts in the UK are nothing more than the way and means to punish benefit recipients whilst moving forward with the programme of privatising more and more essential services and a drive towards the return of a Victorianesque society along with all the social inequalities and injustices that went with it.


Well at the end of the day, you guys understand your Country much better than I do. I guess with me I am just more about abolishing income taxes for everyone, and less concerned about Tax evasion because any money kept out of the hands of these drunken sailors abroad is a good thing. The problem is, if the people are going to be taxed, then The Corporations need to be as well, so I understand his and your point.

We got our own mess over here, I don't know what the solution is. I still respect peoples opinions though, even if I disagree with some of what they have to say from time to time. ~$heopleNation



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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Here you go.



Something shady without a doubt going on with that guy in the video. ~$heopleNation


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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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Hey U.K., Look on the bright side...We're sending Piers Morgan back to you. It didn't work out to well for him here in the U.S.A.



posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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Slickinfinity
If every middle class citizen pulled their money out of the banks, stopped buying from large corporations and threw their hands in the and said "I'm not playing this game anymore" we would crash their house of cards. I would rather live through a brief economic collapse to rebuild a better system and the elites just don't seem to care who gets in the way of their grand plans. Violent revolution is what they want and if people actually realized that its us who supports them as they are the biggest welfare cases on earth then they could see that WE DO NOT NEED THEM, THEY NEED US! We give them all the power in all the affected nations buy buying into their corrupt system.


Then the middle and lower classes would be merged into one lower middle class and the upper class would get pushed down to the upper middle class... A meaner system would be imposed. It's only paper anyway. The system has control of the commodities... Sorry, everyone will have to do better than that. This is the real world. The only people that would benefit from this is the top and the bottom self sufficient communities. Those still halfway between first world and third world living in modern economies.
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posted on Apr, 10 2014 @ 08:29 PM
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No worries, reading back i do come across as a right twat as it hadn't crossed my ind you'd made the perfectly reasonable assumption I was a Brandian. While I don't seem to agree with your politics I agree and admire your promotion for people using all their democratic rights to fight for what they believe, as I think the political corruption and failure is largely down to the public not exercising their rights.

Separately I completely agree with your statement this is an international issue - the Banana is a classic case.

Per bunch
Profit to farmer and country - 15p no tax
Profit of shipping to Cayman Isles for paper work - 8p no tax
Profit of shipping to Bermuda for distribution - 15p no tax
Profit from shipping to Luxembourg for financial services- 18p no tax
Profit from shipping to Ireland for brand labels/sticker - 4p reduced tax
Profit from shipping to Isle of Man for insurance - 4p no tax
Profit from shipping to Jersey for Mangement Service - 6p no tax
The retailer then adds a 40p+ mark up and declares only 1p profit so pays no tax

We pay several times the cost of the product for it to be picked so early it can be shipped for a couple of weeks so they can avoid tax, as happens with all food over here. It's amazing they get away with it.



Freeborn
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I beg to differ with those calculations. Nice story there though my friend.


I may not agree with all of bastion's opinions, (I do agree with some and I admire his activism and passion), but I've got to say he's bang on the money with his point about tax evasion and tax avoidance by major corporations and big business. Its generally estimated that it costs The Treasury around £140 billion per year. Amazingly much of this is with HMRC knowledge.

The austerity cuts in the UK are nothing more than the way and means to punish benefit recipients whilst moving forward with the programme of privatising more and more essential services and a drive towards the return of a Victorianesque society along with all the social inequalities and injustices that went with it.


I've writtern about this extensively in Private Eye. The directors and advisors to HMRC are all lawyers for the companies avoiding tax and are in turn the HRMC lawyers investigating the very same companies for avoidance.

For example, John Connors was HMRC chief adviser, he moved to Vodafone and used the Luxembourg loophole to avoid paying £55Bn tax in the UK for a German company to buy Vodafone. This went to court and it was decided they had to pay tax by legal experts, on appeal this was overturned and they haven't paid a penny. This could have pretty much paid for the entire NHS for a year and this is a single company.

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Health is being slashed but you're right about everything else - the front bench also all own shares in private healthcare, fracking are directors on banking and hedge fund boards - this is the most corrupt government in UK history.

George Osborne’s best man heads up a hedge fund which has secured profits of £36m from the privatisation of Royal Mail in under six months — £210,000 for each day since the sale in October last year.
politicalscrapbook.net...


These are taken from the Register of Members' Interests, March 2007.
House of Commons:

10 members of the Conservative Front bench.......
Receive/d material support or paid employment/fees for services from 54 individuals and institutions representing......
19 Investment Banks, 9 Hedge Funds, 10 Private Equity Investment Funds, 9 Property companies, 7 Accountancy practises and PR/lobbying practises.

House of Lords:

4 Conservative Lords.........
Have remunerated involvements with 17 individuals and institutions representing.........
11 Investment Banks and Investment Trusts, 3 Hedge Funds, 1 Private Equity Investor, 1 Insurance Company and 1 Commodity trading, Property and PR/Lobbying companies.

Grand Totals, both Houses:

14 individuals
71 institutional or individual involvements and contributions from finance or property companies.
www.havingtheircake.com... stry.php

The site is an amazing read all based on public parliamentary record instead of speculation and rumor - the number of companies who pay Cameron £500k a year to meet once a month to 'advise' him on policy fills several A4 sheets on the official parliamentary register of Member's Interests.

However you will never find any of this stuff in a UK paper as the lawyers will threaten them, I can only post this on ATS as it's an American based server.
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