It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Bellor
Whats happening in Ukraine just now should be happening here now. Greece has just held nation wide union strikes and a car bomb took out a high street bank in Athens.
Think the UK can avoid this from happening, if it did, what sort of extreme stuff would the government do to ensure this never happens?
sapien82
reply to post by uncommitted
If that's the case then I'd rather have them out of our country the criminal bastards
who cares if they bring us jobs we can create jobs elsewhere through reinvesting in science, research and development and industry
Bellor
reply to post by uncommitted
They are two examples of what are considered first world nations economies being collapsed and how civilian groups reacts to hyper state control during the interim trouble times.
I do not see what makes Britain particularly special with ever worsening of our economy more and more people are being forced into conditions that are by far harder than they are used to. Some Ukrainians were talking about the factories they work at, if you dont make your quota you dont get paid. Not surprising things have degenerated regardless of what international politics can pretend to do about the situation. Pretty big issue these days wth zero hour contracts.
Wonder what happens when the UK starts experiencing power cuts and food shortages? reckon good old blitey will just rise above decapitating social handicaps such as mass unemployment and economic hyper inflation out of control im sure we will just all get on with it eh.
Bellor
reply to post by uncommitted
Sorry man, I thought it was understand Crimea was simply Russian securing its naval assets, you get that most of the rest of the major cities have been set to light in what seemed to be a civil war yeah?
Bellor
reply to post by uncommitted
Mostly from watching videos of Ukrainian military getting petrol bombed by Right Sector paramilitaries in between all the corporate concrete and glass superstructures. At some point in time those areas would be no different to the high streets we would travel through in the U.K, virtualy none.
uncommitted
That would be right sector paramilitaries aligned to Russia. The equivalent would be Scotland passing the yes vote, Salmond getting voted out, replaced by someone who wanted to re-enter the UK and people rioting over it. If that should happen, then who knows? Let's face it, you could argue that was the situation in Northern Ireland in a sense.
Hopefully it's not how it goes down, hopefully we get Independence create a social demcoracy that other people and nations aspire to and we then invite you guys into Union with us and ditch the city state of London and its corrupt politics
I have a dream !
sapien82
reply to post by uncommitted
Oh I have mate, I have written , emailed and sent letters to my union at work and not one MP has responded regarding tax avoidance . especially on the recent changes to HMRC allowing them to take money from your account if you owe over £1000 in unpaid taxes if you have over £5000 in your account. Even emails and letters to number 10 with not one single response
Of course why would they bother answering a political dissident?
Small fish , compared to the billions unpaid taxes by corporations.
they may not be doing anything illegal but in the end who suffers the majority , and who gains the minority it's not right legal or not. Unpaid taxes only cost the tax payer not the corporation
personally I'd rather these corporations were hung out to dry.
The fact it's legal only raises more questions as to why it's legal to do so in the first place, must be a loophole in our legislation which allows these corporate entities to manipulate the free market only the CEO's benefit and the board members and major share holders.
Now Im not saying they are all evil people or criminals but if they knowingly take a cut of the pie and know full well it's causing the people who work at the bottom to make the corporation what it is it's morally wrong and are also guilty in that sense.
Bellor
reply to post by uncommitted
I guess so politicaly, most fulfill a formulaic pattern of people swaps to fill vacums opened by any instability but the effects on the ground can vary radicaly. One such thing was the interim government of Ukraine seemed to immediately begin redistributing its nations manufacturing into some sort of war time economy really really quickly. Lots of people are not going to like that and they will want elections very very shortly.
Oleksandr Turchynov is even now offering amnesty to the groups that occupy administrative buildings and offered better deals on local autonomy including state executive powers. It would appear that whats been happening is a lot of places like Donetsk a major industrial hub and all its resources seem to get funneled into the banking sector in Kiev and widely redistributed towards the military and private interests.
Should be good footage tonight if Ukraine military/police/mercenaries attempt to storm it.
bastion
reply to post by uncommitted
First off I'm planning mass protests and democratic action, not riots, and no I currently don't work as I have severe epillepsy and my GP, neurologist, surgeon, neuropsychologist, neurorehab amnd CPN have all said I'm far too ill to work - this government have declared me perfectly fit and cut off all support as they claim I live 100 miles away and only have a sore shoulder - despite all the above writing to them to tell them how severe my condition is.
I know exactly what I'm talking about as I used to write for Private Eye, the Telegraph, Liverpool Echo, Lancashire Evening Post uncovering these things. Government D notices were regularly issued and I've lost count of how many superinjunction letters I've received from Carter Ruck for writing stories on tax fraud.
Look at the amount of people G4S and Serco have killed while in their custody/trying to 'restrain' them. Look how many have used tazers on people causing them to have heart attacks. Also I highly doubt you can name 10 of the 340 contracts Serco hold over policing and anti-terror actions.
Just because I think all Tories should be hung from lampposts doesn't mean I like Labour - Brown was cutting backroom deals allowing Royal Dutch Shell to avoid paying tax when he was chancellor. New Labour are just Thatcherites who also tried to privatise anything and carried on the Tory sell off of the NHS under PPI
No they're exploiting UK capital gains tax laws - watch the parliamentary select committee interrogations of Amazon et al - they claimed to have only made a couple of quid profit in the UK over the last few years - do you honestly think a multi-billion business is going to operate at a loss when it's making billions elsewhere.
How anyone can consider Osbourne or IDS a socialist is beyond me - even Clegg has sold his soul to neo-capitalism.