Supreme Court debates the future of Obamacare

macman
reply to post by doubletap

 

Here, let me help you.

Not using tax money to fund something means "anti-woman".

Guess woman aren't able to carry their own weight, financially speaking. The Govt has to do it for them.

hey macman...you seem to hate everything about America, and the people in its society. if you are so pissed off about everything, than find another country to live in.

reply to post by dawnstar


Business have an obligation to keep costs low, and labor is one of the biggest costs a business has.

You whine that business pay so little, it seems obvious you really dont know why people go into business in the first place. It isnt to enrich the lives of their employees, it is to have the freedom to run your business the way you see fit in order to obtain that magical, wonderful word called PROFIT.

I pay my employees what they are worth to me as an employer. A few are paid very well because they are valuable to me and I dont want to lose them, and 2 others I pay minimum wage, again, because thats what they are worth to me. If my 2 minimum wage employees came to me demanding I double their pay, I would tell them to get out as soon as I stopped laughing because they are easily replaced. I have no obligation to pay them a "living wage" because their job doesnt require any special skills, knowledge, or training. They are my proverbial "warm bodies" who happen to own a phone, reliable transportation to work, and a functioning alarm clock.

jimmyx


hey macman...you seem to hate everything about America, and the people in its society. if you are so pissed off about everything, than find another country to live in.

Let me guess, you suggest he should move to Somalia? Tired and worn out argument.

I despise most people in this "society" because they are a large portion of the reason why this country is in the current crappy situation its in.

This was once a pretty decent country. That cannot be said about it currently.

reply to post by doubletap

okay let me spell it out for you then
you have two families involved one a family of five with both mother and father working the other a single mom with three children without anybody working.
The first family ended up losing one of it's workers because of an injury (doesn't matter how it happened) and the fact that the medical cost to care for that injury quite frankly was more than she earned. she figured that maybe if she just took it easy it would heal itself. it didn't and well it finally gave she could prove with paper and pen that there was not enough money before she quite work to pay the bills feed the kids and keep the medical care and well she could prove afterwards also
since they were making less money then
the second family ate better during this time through food stamps
they had a vehicle we had a vehicle
they jacked the heat up in the winter "to air the place out" we kept ours so low it was always cold

so tell me just why should I have been expected to pay for my healthcare (mind you I almost ended up not being able to walk again) while being taxed so that she could take her kid to the doctor for a runny nose???

If I should have sucked it up why wasn't she expected to also???

As far as I am concerned the little tiny injustice to hobby lobby is nothing compared to that! and quite frankly it is a direct result of the gov't giving a bogus attempt to rectify what I am talking about!

Either drop the social service givaways or make an honest attempt to make sure that no one is left in a position where they are paying taxes in order to provide goods and services that they can't afford to others!

reply to post by jimmyx

So NOW I hate everything because I don't want Tax Money going towards this crap...

Man, you too don't have anything else to run with.

How about this. Instead of me leaving a country that was designed and formed to NOT function in the manner you want, why don't you leave and go to several of the Utopian Countries that already have this crap provided?
I hear Canada is nice.

I do love it when I'm told that no money equals hatred. Since when does Money buy love???

reply to post by doubletap


okay how are they getting by? do they have shelter? do they eat every day?? and how are they doing it??

macman

I do love it when I'm told that no money equals hatred. Since when does Money buy love???

It used to be able to buy it by the hour on Craigslist!

dawnstar
while being taxed so that she could take her kid to the doctor for a runny nose???

If I should have sucked it up why wasn't she expected to also???

As far as I am concerned the little tiny injustice to hobby lobby is nothing compared to that! and quite frankly it is a direct result of the gov't giving a bogus attempt to rectify what I am talking about!

Either drop the social service givaways or make an honest attempt to make sure that no one is left in a position where they are paying taxes in order to provide goods and services that they can't afford to others!

If someone is making such little money, it is highly unlikely they were paying any form of income tax anyways, so no room to complain.

You do know that simply having it withheld out of your check then refunded to you later on doesnt mean you actually paid taxes right? It means you gave the government a loan.

I fully support end all social service giveaways.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Um... are you just skimming my posts or something? I have stated several times in this very thread that I do not support Obamacare. But hey, you don't have to believe that if you don't want to, just go read my post history when it comes to Obamacare issues. I have also linked you to a post that I wrote that said that my position on this issue with the law is a compromise of my values. I would like nothing more than to see this bill repealed, until that is the case, I want to see it implemented fairly. Also, I am not a partisan robot like so many Republican and Democrats. You DO know that it is possible to disagree with a few points of your party's platform and still consider yourself a member of that political party right? But that is irrelevant since I've already said that I am compromising my beliefs to implement the law fairly. Man, I can't believe I am having to defend my political beliefs to someone on the internet...

Since everyone wants to play the irrational assumption game with me, I'm going to say turnabout is fair play. You are a partisan robot who votes down party lines and anyone who betrays their party's stance on an issue is a "in name only" member of that party. Can't have people with their own individual thoughts now can we? People like you is why I' limit my participation in political threads these days.

reply to post by doubletap

we usually ended up paying more!
still would like to know just who all those not paying tax are! our income is below the medium and I had to adjust my withholding just so we wouldn't owe as much obviously some of that 50% were earning more than us.

reply to post by dawnstar




"well as far as I know that religion Hobby Lobby is claiming to believe in clearly states that the women is to obey the husband in all things!!"

Here is the mindset that I as a free woman cannot wrap my head around. Why would any intelligent woman want to marry under a contract like that? I guess that is why they have to marry them off young.

dawnstar
reply to post by doubletap

 

we usually ended up paying more!
still would like to know just who all those not paying tax are! our income is below the medium and I had to adjust my withholding just so we wouldn't owe as much obviously some of that 50% were earning more than us.

Below the medium? Are you trying to say median income?

If you were married with 3 kids and made less than 50k, you paid very minimal tax if any at all. Most likely you received a refund of everything you had withheld.

reply to post by doubletap

go back about ten years we most surely paid taxes!!!

reply to post by Krazysh0t


no if anything i fit the liberation model.
as a matter of fact i'm going to switch my party affiliation.

if you go back and read all your posts with a open mind and think about all the statements you have made you do not fit the view that the liberation party embrace.

all of my post have been about the right to choose what you should or shouldn't have to provide for individual that works for you. ie a person own rights.not the the benefit of the others.

you on the other hand say it's is written in a law, and that it should be enforced. you have said until repealed, but you haven't said repeal it. if you have then i missed that.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Since repeatedly stating that I don't agree with the law isn't good enough for you, Obamacare should be repealed. Is that clear enough for you? Of course THIS was my first post in this thread, on page 1, where I said this:

This whole fiasco could be solved by just getting government out of our lives, but hey apparently that isn't in the cards.

I've outlined VERY clearly why I support the position that I do despite not agreeing with Obamacare, yet YOU insist on skimming or not reading all of my posts where I've addressed the very concerns you are calling me out on. Now we are in some tit for tat argument because my level of Libertarianism (based on the little you've read of my posts) isn't good enough to qualify for what you consider Libertarianism. This despite having authored these three threads that are HIGHLY critical of Obamacare and the Democrats who pushed it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So how about we stop attacking my character and remain on the issues that this thread was about? This thread isn't about if I am Libertarian enough for you.

I've been following this thread a bit and it's been ... interesting. I realize I'm somewhat of an outsider and not an American. Just an observation but it seems like some of you are more concerned with calling each other names like socialist and redneck etc than having an actual healthcare system that works. I'm sure we're all aware how bad the US healthcare system is.

Some seem opposed to the idea of a universal healthcare system which if done well would probably be cheaper than the current US system which seems to be a disaster. Even if you don't like the idea of it I'm sure everyone would want better healthcare which costs less taxpayer money. Other countries do it and so can America.

Call me a socialist or whatever name you feel is appropriate if it makes you feel better but I am an Australian and our healthcare system is better than America's. Reasonably intelligent educated people in America have some idea about the world outside of America's borders. And some of you think we're all foreigner hippy socialist commies! lol. By the way Australia is not a communist country.

reply to post by JimTSpock


The issue is responsibility.

Is it the responsibility of the government, corporation, or individual to determine the scope/cost of individual healthcare?

I think it should be up to the individual.

Many think that the government should dictate what type/cost of healthcare an individual should have.

To issue is the Supreme Court case.

Many here feel that a corporation is obligated/mandated to provide all types of healthcare to it's employees.

Do we allow a government to dictate to individuals as well as companies what type of insurance an individual is offered?

reply to post by beezzer


I think the issue is do you want a better healthcare system that works and costs less or do you want to talk about ideas?
That's just my opinion and you Americans can debate it until the cows come home.

reply to post by JimTSpock


No, the issue is that you want people to sign over a freedom, for Govt run (Insert program) for the false sense of security.

JimTSpock
reply to post by beezzer

 

I think the issue is do you want a better healthcare system that works and costs less or do you want to talk about ideas?
That's just my opinion and you Americans can debate it until the cows come home.

We have different systems, you and I.

Some would readily adopt your system at the cost of our Constitution.

I'm not at the point where I would want that.