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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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Here we go.


No, no they aren't.

I have yet to see where Hobby Lobby has forced anyone to work for them.
Hobby Lobby is not forcing religion onto anyone. Or are they forcing people to pray, or go to bible study or anything else that will affect their job and/or pay..

You and everyone else are free to work for what ever company you want. Only Progressives want to force others to behave/act/think alongside you.




posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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not according to this chart!!!
www.fas.org...



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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Oh really...only Progressives want to force beliefs on others?

DOMA, repealing of Romneycare, anti-women laws...uh huh. Tell me more about teh ebil proggies...



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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first the original injury was probably work related I just didn't realize that is would develope into such a problem!
second
there was no way in hades you could have fit the cost of insurance along with deductable along with co pays into our budget before I ended up quiting my job (got kind of tire of limping around in pain and occastionally falling down while doing the job0
so there was absolutely no way that it could have been done afterwards!
okay ya I should have starved the kids and paid for it!!
but then. the lady that lived up the street from me who sat on her arse all day with the windows open all day to "air the place out" and then would take her kid to the doctors for the sniffles
well if I could have starve my kids to pay so I could walk again she sure the heck could have gotten off her ass and got a job and paid for her kid's runny nose!! or better yet even she could have done what I did when my kids got a runny nose treat the symptoms say a prayer just gave it a few days!!!
you argument does not fly as long as the gov't is taking money from the working class to "give to the poor"!!



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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macman
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Only Progressives want to force others to behave/act/think alongside you.



Oh? ONLY "Progressives"?
I can think of quite a few individuals and groups.
Look at any given post dealing with religion and/or politics, this thread is a prime example...it ain't just those you might not agree with...



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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dawnstar
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not according to this chart!!!
www.fas.org...

1) Is there anything US congress can't fcuk up? Most economists peg 1968 at $10.74, not $10.69.

2) That being said, I hesitate to use an comparison of "real dollars". CPI makes no adjustment for value received, just money spent.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Oh, you think that Progressives only reside within the Dem party????

Well, let me clear that right up. Progressives have infected both sides. And Progressives from both parties need to be expelled.


Does that make things clear for you?


edit on 26-3-2014 by macman because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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dawnstar
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not according to this chart!!!
www.fas.org...


uh, your little chart there deals with purchasing power, which is due to inflation. That is an entirely different argument than actual wage.

Did you actually read it or just see a chart and get excited?



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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Why such vitriol for Progressives? progress = moving forward. Conserve = staying the same. And brother. the same is pretty effed up.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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macman
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Oh, you think that Progressives only reside within the Dem party????

Well, let me clear that right up. Progressives have infected both sides. And Progressives from both parties need to be expelled.


Does that make things clear for you?


edit on 26-3-2014 by macman because: (no reason given)


Not really.
Are you saying anyone you disagree with is a "progressive"?
Is it simply a political thing? A religious thing?
I'm more confused now.
Anyone who would wish their beliefs or stance on you, personally?

I find it ironic that "only progressives" are trying to force their will upon you, yet you wish to force your will upon groups to expel "progressives". Would that make you a "progressive" as well?
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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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dawnstar

first the original injury was probably work related I just didn't realize that is would develope into such a problem!
second
there was no way in hades you could have fit the cost of insurance along with deductable along with co pays into our budget before I ended up quiting my job (got kind of tire of limping around in pain and occastionally falling down while doing the job0
so there was absolutely no way that it could have been done afterwards!
okay ya I should have starved the kids and paid for it!!
but then. the lady that lived up the street from me who sat on her arse all day with the windows open all day to "air the place out" and then would take her kid to the doctors for the sniffles
well if I could have starve my kids to pay so I could walk again she sure the heck could have gotten off her ass and got a job and paid for her kid's runny nose!! or better yet even she could have done what I did when my kids got a runny nose treat the symptoms say a prayer just gave it a few days!!!
you argument does not fly as long as the gov't is taking money from the working class to "give to the poor"!!



I think you have an addiction to exclamation points


The key phrase in your comment "probably work related". So you have no proof.

Why should your employer pay more because you injure yourself due to an act of your own making?



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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Cyprian


DOMA, repealing of Romneycare, anti-women laws...uh huh. Tell me more about teh ebil proggies...


Specifically, what anti women laws are you talking about?



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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That is a very inaccurate and single dimensional definition.

Maybe you rally should go and research the history behind the 2 groups.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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Nope.

The 2 parties, or Conservatives vs Liberals pushed for much of the same. Small Govt, low taxes. just funding different pet projects.

Now, they have both been infected by Progressives, who by action, push to control people more and more.

Liberals and Conservatives, traditionally viewed the Constitution in the same manner, with slight variations.

Now, Dems and Reps are basically interchangeable. Both push for more control, more power and more money.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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This is all I know
Dependency=Servitude!!
having so many jobs offering below proverty level earnings increases that servitude!
Obamacare brings that level of servitude to new levels since well it has such an inflationary effect on the real cost of healthcare (that which is either paid by person or by taxpayers through subsidies) along with people totally losing their benefits that well it just drives more and more people into the exchanges and recieving subsidies for it!!
Dependency=Servitude!
How long do you think it will be before enough of the people are in the exchanges or heck maybe they will expand hud food stamps and the like to enable more to avoid the exchanges but well
how long do you think it will be before the gov't starts telling the doctors what drugs to give your kids (regardless of weather or not that doctor actually thinks it will help and not harm the child)? or how long it will be before the gov't starts telling the parents that they have to give the child these drugs (to avoid future healthcare expenses of course!!)
It gets me it really does that so many of the people who are griping about Hobby Lobby's rights as a business is being trampled on but well how businesses should have the right to pay how little they want to the people they employ and well they just can't see just how much this pampering of the business world is threatening their own freedoms!!

I am a middle aged women.
I urge my kids not to produce any children till they can financially afford them!!
I do not own a business or do I employ anyone!!
I do not care on iota if any business' employees have kids or not! I am not depending on them not now or in the future!

The businesses on the other hand are depending on these employees. It is in their best interest to keep them healthy keep them happy and well if they want to pass their business down to their kids it's in their interest that someone has kids!!

They have more of an interest!
They have more of a responsibility!!
So why in hades name is it my and every other taxpayer's money paying to keep their workforce (both present and future) happy healthy and reproducing?



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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Here, let me help you.

Not using tax money to fund something means "anti-woman".

Guess woman aren't able to carry their own weight, financially speaking. The Govt has to do it for them.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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he didn't
first I figured that I probably wouldn't be able to prove something that I wasn't sure of anyways
and second I wanted to give him a break!
like I said I didn't think it was anything major at the time!
you have an addiction to avoiding the main point that I am making though!



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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macman
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Here, let me help you.

Not using tax money to fund something means "anti-woman".

Guess woman aren't able to carry their own weight, financially speaking. The Govt has to do it for them.


Thats exactly what I was waiting for that poster to say....No publicly funded birth control means anti woman.

Thats what happens in our misogynistic, patriarchal, woman oppressing society.

We should give the broads whatever they want since they are our national treasure



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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dawnstar
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he didn't
first I figured that I probably wouldn't be able to prove something that I wasn't sure of anyways
and second I wanted to give him a break!
like I said I didn't think it was anything major at the time!
you have an addiction to avoiding the main point that I am making though!



Sorry, wasnt aware you had a point.

Maybe it was obscured by the dozens of exclamation points.

Simma down sugar.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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Krazysh0t
I'm Libertarian, what do you think?


i put it to you this way, you cannot be what you say.
at best your what i would call a follower, that sticks their finger up to see which way the wind is blowing.
all quotes come from the Libertarian Party 2012 Platform



As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.


so as a founder/owner or majority share holder a corporation, do they not have the right to hold to their values? they are being forced to give up that value if forced by a law to provide such coverage.



We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.


so are not the founders/majority share holders/ individuals deserving of the right to hold to their values agaisnt a law that goes againt them.



We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.


are the people/ government impeding on the right of the individuals to follow their beliefs by forcing them to provide brith control?

and here is a biggie.



Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


you can not be a be a libertarian, if you believe that a law forcing someone/ corporations to provide payment for birth control is not against their conscientious considerations. ie don't believe in it.

and the coup de grâce




9 Health Care We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.


so seeing that you support the law that is written, and that you stick your finger up to see which way the wind blows.
i change my first statement, and say your are a compromiser, which in my book is worse than a follower. at least a follower has made a decision to go with the flow, a compromiser hasn't made a choice they try to 'APPEASE both sides.

hell going by all your posts i have ever read, i can't even call you that, i would have to say you are a socialist, that would be the best fit i could apply.



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