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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 01:50 PM
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Oh look more Protest Signs in English and was that sign written by Sen John McCain himself?

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 02:29 PM
Svoboda (Political Party) - Wikipedia

Allegations of neo-nazism and political extremism
Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a Neo-Nazi party by international newspapers,[24][117][111] organizations that monitor hate speech,[134] Jewish organizations,[135][136] and political opponents.[41]
Svoboda advisor Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn established a "‘Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre" in 2005, later changing "Joseph Goebbels" to "Ernst Jünger."[2] (SOURCE FOR THIS MATERIAL EXPANDED UPON BELOW) Mykhalchyshyn wrote a book in 2010 citing works by Nazi theorists Ernst Röhm, Gregor Strasser and Goebbels.[39][117][137] Elsewhere Mykhalchyshyn referred to the Holocaust as a "period of Light in history".[138] (SOURCE OF INTEL EXPANDED UPON BELOW)

In December 2012, the European Parliament expressed concern regarding Svoboda's growing support, recalling "that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles," and appealed "to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with" Svoboda.[139] Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok stated in March 2013 that the EU warning against Svoboda's influence was the result of "Moscow agents working through a Bulgarian socialist MP".[140] Referencing a similar resolution made by the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Tyahnybok claimed it to be a result of a mud-slinging campaign by political opponents, stating: "When we did not have a parliamentary faction or normal channels for contacting influential groups in the European Union, a very negative image of Svoboda was created and in an extremely crude fashion." However, after speaking to European MP's he stated they "admitted that they had received completely different information about us."[140] Tyahnybok furthermore stated that "spin doctors who are working against Svoboda" cover up the non-controversial points in the party's election programme "by promoting some clearly secondary issues through mass media outlets controlled by pro-government forces".[140]

During a Party of Regions rally in Kiev to counter the ongoing Euromaidan protests, MP Olena Bondarenko called Tyahnybok a "traitor" and one "who helps the Kremlin and Moscow." Her words were altered to read on her party's website that he was instead a "Nazi" and that "Nazis are not just disrespected, they are outlawed in Europe and throughout the civilized world".[141](SOURCE OUTLINED BELOW)
Svoboda members have denied the party is anti-Semitic.[142][143][144] Party leader Tyahnybok stated in November 2012 “Svoboda is not an anti-Semitic party, Svoboda is not a xenophobic party. Svoboda is not an anti-Russian party. Svoboda is not an anti-European party. Svoboda is simply and only a pro-Ukrainian party”.[66] In defense of these accusations, Tyahnybok has stated "I have repeatedly said that Svoboda is not an anti-Semitic organization. If you have any comments on our views, go to court. But nobody will, because everyone understands that even biased Ukrainian courts cannot pass any sentence against Svoboda because we do not violate Ukrainian laws."[145][146] Tyahnybok says a criminal case was opened against him for promoting racial rights, but he managed to win all the court cases and protect his name.[102]

According to Der Spiegel, "anti-Semitism is part of the extremist party's platform," which rejects certain minority and human rights.[24] The paper writes that Svoboda's earlier "Social-National Party" title was an "intentional reference to Adolf Hitler's National Socialist party," and that a Svoboda youth leader distributed Nazi propaganda written by Joseph Goebbels in 2013.[24] (SOURCE OUTLINED BELOW)

Political scientist Tadeusz A. Olszański writes that the social-nationalist ideology which Svoboda formerly adhered to has included "openly racist rhetoric" concerning 'white supremacy' since its establishment, and that comparisons with National Socialism are legitimized by its history. [2] (SOURCE BELOW)

Andreas Umland, a political scientist at the National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy,[51] has asserted in 2010 that "Svoboda was a racist party promoting explicitly ethnocentric and anti-Semitic ideas".[147] He also believes that internally, Svoboda "is much more radical and xenophobic than what we see”.[66] However, Umland has also stated that he believes the party will continue to become more moderate over time, stating that "there's a belief that Svoboda will change, once in the Verkhovna Rada, and that they may become proper national democrats". (SOURCE BELOW) [39]

Thirty members of the Israeli Knesset condemned the party in a signed letter addressed to the President of the European Parliament. In the letter the Israeli politicians accused Svoboda of "openly glorifying Nazi murder" and "Nazi war criminals".[149] In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[150]
Ukraine’s chief rabbi Yaakov Bleich said “Svoboda is an enigma in many ways,” calling it “a right-wing, nationalist party with anti-Semitic elements in it.”[151] Vyacheslav A. Likhachev of the Eurasian Jewish Congress, said that the “party has a very anti-Semitic core in its ideology,” and that it leads to “symbolic legitimization of neo-Nazis and anti-Semitic ideology in the eyes of society.” (Sources below.) [69]

Member of parliament with the pro-presidential Party of Regions,[151] and president of the Jewish Committee of Ukraine Oleksandr Feldman criticized Svoboda as a "party which is notorious for regularly injecting anti-Semitism into their speeches and public pronouncements" and accused the party of "rallying behind this recognition and exploited mistrust of Jews to gain popularity among some in the lower class who painfully welcomed the chance to be a part of campaigns of hate".[152][153] Feldman also writes that Svoboda has helped erode the shame associated with open expressions of anti-Semitism and other ethnic hatreds.[154] Feldman has been an advocate for the Party of Regions and president Viktor Yanukovych, reportedly also funding the latter's public relations firm.[153] During the Euromaidan protests, Feldman said the protests had degenerated into “ultra-nationalism and anti-Semitism,” and called for opposition leaders Arseniy Yatseniuk and Vitali Klitschko to distance themselves from Svoboda. Which they did NOT. Four groups, including the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union, said they have seen no upsurge in anti-Semitic attacks. “We call on Ukrainian citizens and foreign observers to remain calm and critically assess the panic-mongering statements in the media regarding anti-Semitism in the country,” the groups said in a statement on the website of the Euro-Asian Jewish Congress.[151]

In 2012 international human rights organization The Simon Wiesenthal Center placed Svoboda party leader Oleg Tyahnybok fifth in its list of the top 10 anti-Semites and haters of Israel, based on his previous comments regarding Jews in Ukraine. SOURCE BELOW.[155]

Wait, it gets worse. (Wikipedia's Multilateral Sources Outlined & Expanded Upon) in next post:

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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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KIEV, Ukraine — The last time Oleg Tyagnibok was a member of Ukraine’s Parliament, his colleagues kicked him out over a fiery speech in which he described how Ukrainians, during World War II, bravely fought Muscovites, Germans, Jews “and other scum,” and then used slurs to refer to the “Jewish-Russian mafia, which rules in Ukraine.”

Eight years later, Mr. Tyagnibok is preparing to return to Parliament, not as a lone member of a broader coalition, as he was when he was ejected, but as the leader of Svoboda, the ultranationalist, right-wing party that will control 38 of 450 seats, or about 8.5 percent of the national legislature.

Svoboda’s surprising show of strength in the Oct. 29 election — polls had predicted that the party would fail to meet the 5 percent threshold to enter Parliament — has stirred alarm, including warnings from Israel about the rise of anti-Semitism and xenophobia in Ukraine, a former Soviet republic and a place with a firsthand knowledge of ethnic violence and genocide.

(This source had plenty to say about fascist Svoboda, so just bear with me.)

They helped attack and drive from the opposition's ranks two deputies - a father and son - who were accused of preparing to defect to the ruling party. Then they joined a massive free-for-all around the speaker's rostrum, in protest at alleged illegal absentee-voting by deputies from the governing party.

One of Svoboda's leading members, sports journalist Ihor Miroshnychenko, his ponytail flying behind him, then charged the podium to prevent a deputy speaking in Russian. (Svoboda believes that only Ukrainian should be used in all official bodies.)

Outside, Svoboda deputies used a chainsaw to cut down an iron fence erected last year to prevent crowds from storming the parliament building. This they justified in the name of popular democracy.

We want Ukrainians to run the country - 70% of the parliament are Jews”

Svoboda party supporter
"No other democratic country has fenced-off the national parliament," said Svoboda's Ruslan Koshulinskiy, the deputy speaker of parliament. "People have chosen these lawmakers and should have a right to have access to them."

Months before Miroshnychenko charged the parliament podium, Svoboda activists were photographed appearing to spray police with pepper gas, at a demonstration against a law making Russian an official language in some regions of the country.

They seem to mainly be attracting racists.

Last week (20/12/12) the charismatic Tyahnybok was voted Person of the Year by readers of the country's leading news magazine, Korrespondent.

But while the party's radical past can be papered over, it cannot be erased. Its name until 2004 was the "Social-National Party" and it maintains informal links to another group, the Patriots of Ukraine, regarded by some as proto-fascist.

In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" - using two highly insulting words to describe Russians and Jews - and emphasising that Ukrainians had in the past fought this threat with arms.

And they're mainly composed of racists themselves.

In 2005, he signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people.

*facepalm* And idiots...

Other Svoboda members have also courted controversy. Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a parliamentary deputy considered one of the party's ideologues, liberally quotes from former Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, along with other National-Socialist leaders.

Nazi swine. Burn in hell... death to Svoboda ingrates.

Even now, Svoboda's platform calls for passports to specify the holder's ethnicity, and for government positions to be distributed proportionally to ethnic groups, based on their representation in the population at large.

Some see signs that Svoboda's radical elements are reasserting themselves. Activists recently attacked and sprayed tear gas at a gay rights rally in central Kiev. Ihor Miroshnychenko, meanwhile, used abusive language to describe the Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis, who is Jewish, in an online discussion.


The party itself could also become more mainstream as it conforms to pressure from its political partners. This has happened with other far-right groups in the past, like the Italian Fascist party, which mellowed as it integrated into Italy's conservative camp, experts say.


"We don't know which way Svoboda will go," he says.


"It may actually become more radical."

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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 03:11 PM


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I think Putin simply wants the people of these countries to determine their own fate. It's the West that doesn't want them to be enabled. Putin knows the hearts of the people belong to Russia, not the West, and as such he will protect them

What like the hundreds of Russian speaking Ukrainians decided for themselves before being invaded by Putlers masked mob?

If Putler really wanted the people to determine there own future he wouldn't have needed to occupy Ukraine with troops

So I guess that's your BS excuse out the window
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Really beggars belief, so here we have a "ukranian" national, with under armor cap, a sign written in english, and if Im not mistaken a plaque written in german behind him...

Seems legit...

Btw, you keep forgetting, the russian troops were already in crimea, and the name is putin.
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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 03:18 PM

Svoboda party - the new phenomenon
on the Ukrainian right-wing scene

Tadeusz A. Olszanski

Even though the national-level political scene in Ukraine is dominated by the Party of Regions, the west of the country has seen a progressing increase in the activity of the Svoboda (Freedom) party, a group that combines participation in the democratically elected local government of Eastern Galicia with street actions, characteristic of anti-system groups. This party has brought a new quality to the Ukrainian nationalist movement, as it refers to the rhetoric of European anti-liberal and neo-nationalist movements, and its emergence is a clear response to public demand for a group of this sort. The increase in its popularity plays into the hands of the Party of Regions, which is seeking to weaken the more moderate opposition parties (mainly the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc). However, Svoboda retains its independence from the ruling camp. This party, in all likelihood, will become a permanent and important player in Ukrainian political life, although its influence may be restricted to Eastern Galicia (o rly? current events reveal otherwise...)

Svoboda is determined to fight the tendencies in Ukrainian politics and the social sphere which it considers pro-Russian. Its attitude towards Russia and Russians, furthermore, is unambiguously hostile. In the case of Poland, it reduces mutual relations almost exclusively to the historical aspects, strongly criticising the commemoration of the victims of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army's (UPA's) crimes. This may cause tension in Polish-Ukrainian relations, where they are affected by decisions made by local governments controlled by the Svoboda Party.

I've merely quoted the summary/outline at the top of the PDF linked in the source. If you want more, you'll have to go at it yourself. Moving on...

Original Text in Russian - Даже если партия не сможет сейчас преодолеть электоральный барьер, нет сомнений, что она проведет в Раду ряд одномандатников в западных мажоритарных округах. Среди них есть весьма колоритные личности. Так, например, во Львовской области баллотируется Юрий Михальчишин, известный своими призывами брать пример с методов борьбы с «оккупантами» террористов из ХАМАСа, а также тем, что назвал Холокост «светлым периодом истории Европы».

Translated Text into English - Even if the party can not overcome the electoral threshold now, there is no doubt that it will hold a series of single-mandate Rada majority districts in the western. Among them there is a very colorful personality. For example, in the Lviv region running Yuri Mihalchishin known for his appeals to follow the example of methods of fighting "invaders" of Hamas terrorists, and that has called the Holocaust a "bright period in the history of Europe." Parliamentary mandate not only provide character with cannibalistic views parliamentary rostrum, but also help to cover prone to street violence followers of neo-Nazi propagandist and theorist.

As you can see these are genuine, bona-fide, Neo-Nazis that have made great gains in their goals of seizing power due to Western incompetence and Russian aggression. You cannot possibly support this. This is not in the best interests of the Ukrainian people. Because of this U.S.-Russian dick-waving competition the Ukrainian people might be well off on their way to seeing a new Nazi dictatorship, in Europe, for the first time since World War Two. Moving on, and just wait, it does indeed get worse.

Original Ukrainian Text - Разом з тим сайт Партії регіонів розмістив наступні слова Бондаренко: "Хто такий Тягнибок? Ви думаєте, з ним сядуть за стіл переговорів? Він нерукоприкладний, він представляє нацистів. А нацистів не просто не поважають, вони поза законом в Європі і в усьому цивілізованому світі".

Translated English Text - However, the Party of Regions website posted the following words Bondarenko: "Who is Tyagnibok yourself, you think of them sit at the negotiating table? Nerukoprykladnyy It is, it represents the Nazis. Nazis And not just disrespected, they are outlawed in Europe and throughout the civilized world ".

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 03:18 PM
This source goes more in depth into the Western-backed coup involving Klitscho and their connections to Svoboda.

Svoboda member Myroshnychenko is likewise not a fan of Klitschko. His development as a politician is moving "rather slowly," he says sarcastically. "I don't think that he can take over leadership of the opposition, much less leadership of the aggressive Maidan." What he doesn't say is that his own party is also a problem for the opposition alliance. Svoboda has joined the revolt, but it rejects certain human and minority rights.

With 10 percent support, Svoboda is the fourth-strongest group in parliament. Klitschko and the Tymoshenko party need its backing. Plus, the party is a key player in the protests. But Klitschko plays down Svoboda's right-wing stance. "We have different ideologies, but two things connect us," Klitschko says. "We are fighting against those in power today and we want European values for our country."

Flirting with the Right Wing

The Svoboda party also has excellent ties to Europe, but they are different from the ones that Klischko might prefer. It is allied with France's right-wing Front National and with the Italian neo-fascist group Fiamma Tricolore. But when it comes to the oppression of homosexuality, representative Myroshnychenko is very close to Russian President Vladimir Putin, even if he does all he can to counter Moscow's influence in his country.

"The EU is the only possibility for us to defend ourselves against Russian pressure," he says. He and his party see the alliance with Klitschko as being purely tactical. Klitschko, after all, would like to limit the powers of the president while Svoboda dreams of a country with a strong leader.


BERLIN – The radical right-wing Svoboda (“Freedom”) party, which openly admires the World War II pro- Nazi Ukrainian Insurgent Army, has secured 41 seats in the Ukrainian parliament and is expected to legitimize public displays of anti-Semitism.

In telephone and email interviews with The Jerusalem Post on Monday, experts on Ukrainian xenophobia and anti-Semitism raised alarm bells about the results of the election.

Irena Cantorovich, a scholar at Tel Aviv University’s Moshe Kantor Database for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism and Racism, wrote, “This is the first time in the history of modern Ukraine that a nationalistic party enters the parliament and it will probably have more than one representative in it. Svoboda is known for its racist and anti-Semitic views and several complaints were filed against its leader, Oleg Tyagnibok, for his anti-Semitic comments.”

She noted that Tyagnibok claimed that “Ukraine is being controlled by a Russian-Jewish mafia. The party’s platform also includes support for the rehabilitation of Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with Nazi Germany.”

“Members of the party took part in anti-Semitic incidents such as damaging synagogues, Jewish centers and cemeteries. The party is also active against the coming of Jewish religious pilgrims to Uman. In the previous election, the party received only 1 percent of the votes and now about 7%, so we can see that their influence is growing,” added Cantorovich, who has written about Ukrainian collaborators who worked with the Nazis in their efforts to kill Jews in the country.

I'm beginning to think the Nazis didn't lose after all.

“This is a very disturbing development, but perhaps not surprising given Ukraine’s history of vehement anti-Semitism. Svoboda did much better in Western Ukraine, a region that even imagines it might breakaway from the rest of Ukraine and join the EU,” said Tom Gross, a political commentator who has written about Eastern Europe and international affairs.

“The party reportedly won over 50% of the vote in Lviv and if this turns out to be the case, I believe it would mark the first time since World War II that a majority in any city in Europe voted for a blatantly anti- Semitic party. Lviv is a city that was historically over one-third Jewish, but almost all the Jews were murdered by the Nazis and their Ukrainian collaborators and yet in which today you will find very little by way of Holocaust commemoration,” Gross continued.

The JTA reported in October that “a Jewish doctor in Lviv, Ukraine, was beaten to death by an assailant identified by some local news sources as a 26-year-old Arab.” The victim, 67- year-old Leon Freifeld, was a member of the Lviv Jewish community.

Moving forward.

The Wiesenthal Center also cited Oleg Tyagnibok (No. 5) from the fascist Ukranian Svoboda party. He urged purges of the approximately 400,000 Jews and other minorities living in the Ukraine and has demanded that the country be liberated from the “Muscovite Jewish Mafia.”

Ukrainian MP Igor Miroshnichenko was cited for anti-Jewish remarks as well: He called Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis a “zhydovka” (dirty Jewess).

Furthermore, I think you should have a look at these ATS threads by our fellow members: - Wrabbit2000

And their sources:

What’s shocking is the name of the billionaire who co-invested with the US government (or as Wheeler put it: the “dark deep force” acting on behalf of “Pax Americana”).

Step out of the shadows…. Wheeler’s boss, Pierre Omidyar.

Yes, in the annals of independent media, this might be the strangest twist ever: According to financial disclosures and reports seen by Pando, the founder and publisher of Glenn Greenwald’s government-bashing blog,“The Intercept,” co-invested with the US government to help fund regime change in Ukraine. - See more at:

Officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to the ousted President Viktor Yanukovich have hacked phones of Estonian Minister of Foreign Affairs Urmas Paet and High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and leaked their conversation to the web. The officials discuss their impressions of what's happening in the country after the revolution. The gist of it is that Ukrainian people have no trust in any of the leaders of Maidan.
However the most striking thing of all is the fact which concerns the use of force during the revolution, particularly the snipers who killed both protesters and officers of the riot police. Mr. Paet reveals astonishing information which confirms the rumours that the snipers were employed by the leaders of Maidan.

Email from Jason Gresh:

Events are moving rapidly in Crimea. Our friends in Washington expect more decisive actions from your network.
I think it’s time to implement the plan we discussed lately. Your job is to cause some problems to the transport hubs in the south-east in order to frame-up the neighbor.
It will create favorable conditions for Pentagon and the Company to act.
Do not waste time, my friend.
Jason P. Gresh
Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
Assistant Army Attaché
U.S. Embassy, Kyiv
Tankova 4, Kyiv, Ukraine 04112
(380-44) 521 – 5444 | Fax (380-44) 521 – 5636 - See more at:

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The Presidents of Ukraine, Russian Federation and United States of America, and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom signed three memorandums (UN Document A/49/765) on December 5, 1994, with the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Through this agreement, these countries (later to include China and France in individual statements) gave national security assurances to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. The Joint Declaration by the Russian Federation and the United States of America of December 4, 2009 confirmed their commitment.


"Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the cold war, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces,

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or

political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear

weapons are used;

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclearweapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,

except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.

Signed in four copies having equal validity in the Ukrainian, English and Russian languages.

For Ukraine:

(Signed) Leonid D. KUCHMA

For the Russian Federation:

(Signed) Boris N. YELTSIN

For the United Kingdom of Great

Britain and Northern Ireland:

(Signed) John MAJOR

For the United States of America:

(Signed) William J. CLINTON

What we have here is a global empire getting sloppy in its attempts to maintain a stranglehold on the great powers of our world. Russia is one of them, the other four are the U.S., U.K., France and China. This invisible empire exists via connections between international power brokers, non-government organizations, banks and other financial institutions. They are based primarily in the west but have connections to oligarchs in Russia and China. You really believe the U.S. government and their western forces are acting in your best interests? C'MON! WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO WAKE YOU UP?! Wake up before it is too late. Remember, whenever there is a big story(?) in the media, LOOK FOR THE ONE THEY'RE TRYING TO DISTRACT US FROM. This Malaysian Airlines, Edward Snowden seeking amnesty in Russia... bull# if you think they're not connected! They're playing with us, toying to see how far they can push modern civilization before it collapses...BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A #.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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Russia and Germany did the same thing at the start of WWII. They divided up not only Poland, but designated which countries would fall within each nations zone.

Hmmm the historical context is quite different though dont you think?, Poland was divided up under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. I am wholly unawares of any such similar treaty held by any current nation state that could be applied to the Ukraine.

Putin stated he reserved the right to militarily intervene when "ethnic Russians" are in danger. Hitler stated the same thing about Ethnic Germans.

Russian action in Crimea, using the excuse above, was the same method Germany used with regards to the Sudentland.

It was also the justification used by the U.S when they Invaded Grenada. Ill accept there may indeed be similarities to the language used both by Hitler and Putin in the two time frames, but that excuse has been long used by nation states since the dawn of man. Even a cursory glance at the search engine of your choice will show you this and because of that I would be pretty careful when comparing the two, as it does come across somewhat as alarmist.

You may find the arguments for the U.S Annexation of Texas interesting if not eerily similar.

I think it should also really be noted the Czechoslovakian government and Chamberlain did in fact aqueous to the demands of Sudeten Germans, however instigated by the Nazi party. Again the historical context is quite different, though admittedly perhaps the technique is similar, it is a technique used again and again throughout history.

The same is being seen in Ukraine with Russian increasing their military deployments along the East and Southern border of Ukraine.

Im sorry but thats just speculation, I understand Russia is maintaining a fairly active troop deployment on Ukraines border, but given the situation thats probably is the prudent think to do, but to think Russia would essentially instigate World War 3 by invading Ukraine without serious provocation first is just ludicrous.

.......echoed the foreign policy of Nazi Germany

Please refer to this as a source on Nazi foreign policy. It is so radicaly different in scope to anything Russia is currently perusing I cannot even begin to comprehend how some routine politicking on Putins part can in anyway be compared to that of the policies persued by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis prior to World War 2.

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 04:56 PM
In reality...

1. Russia never said they were going futher than Crimea

2. Both the EU and the US have said no more sanctions against Russia, due to the effects on the world economies esp the EU

3. Crimea voted to join Russia, yes the people had a say.

4. The infighting in Ukraine has now started with police assassinating a far right leader.

5. The ukraine new unelected government is raising gas prices by 50%. I doubt that will be popular.

posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 08:43 PM
Also notice how the tone is changing in the media? Its changed from "Russia get out of Crimea" to "Russia dont go into any other country".

In short the world powers have accepted that crimea is now part of russia. Slapped on a few visa bans for world consumption and a bit of sabre rattling.

Business as usual... the end.

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