Michelle Obama arrives in China for official visit

reply to post by neo96


You know, if you are going to suggest that someone is a communist, or is using "a communist playbook" you should probably read that playbook so you don't look like a completely brainwashed idiot spewing the delusional ravings of rating whores on TV.

Here you go:

www.marxists.org...

HauntWok
reply to post by neo96

 

You know, if you are going to suggest that someone is a communist, or is using "a communist playbook" you should probably read that playbook so you don't look like a completely brainwashed idiot spewing the delusional ravings of rating whores on TV.

Here you go:

www.marxists.org...

Sorry actually Obama's supporters should read it.

reply to post by neo96


Many have, some of us like to be educated and think that more knowledge is a good thing. If you would read it, you would realize that very little of what Obama has done in his time in office is actually in the communist manifesto. But, go ahead, ignore it, and keep shouting that Obama is a "commie pinko pig" without having any idea what you are talking about.

reply to post by HauntWok


Ok then.

IF Obama is not a communist.

WHAT IS HE ?

Sure the eff not a 'liberal'.

Sure the eff doesn't think too much of the US constitution.


SO WHAT IS HE?

What is someone called who worships at the alter of statolatry, and uses the state to 'give' people a 'better' life.

WHAT ?

Someone has too much money hey they don't need it. So he takes it.

Someone has a gun he doesn't like, hey they don't need it. So he takes it.

Them bankers, are evil let's teach them a lesson.

Them corporations are mean, hey let's make them 'play' nice.

And the list goes on.

Please by all means 'inform' me of the correct term.

neo96

No, places like DETROIT exist when no penalties arise from foreign OUTSOURCING

That is hilarious.

Really.

Yes, really.
Let me show you why.
here is from Forbes Mag (very conservative).

the biggest factor has to do with the quality of American cars. At present they’re very good as anyone who has bought one or rented one can attest. And that’s the problem. High quality American cars signal that automobiles in a general sense have become easy to manufacture.
.....
Fast forward to the present, and seemingly all cars are good. No doubt some can point to outliers, but in general if you buy a car today you can rest assured that it will start tomorrow, a year from now, and five years from now. Those who purchased new cars in the last five years know this intimately, that the modern auto generally doesn’t break down all that often. In short, cars are simple, prosaic, and easy in a modern sense to manufacture well.

The Unions Didn't Bankrupt Detroit, But Great American Cars Did
Long story short. foreign cars are cheaper than American cars overall for midrange. why buy a ford at cost when a Nissan that will work just as well is like half the price.
half the price because they use slave labor and no real consequences for it.

I said outsourcing though, meant to say trade laws.
If foreign made cars that use slave labor was either heavily tariffed or simply banned from doing business here, the American made automobile industry would be booming in America. our trade laws is not a small issue, and Forbes explains why unions had nothing to do with the issue to begin with.

reply to post by neo96


Read my signature, he is a corporate oligarch.

It's obvious, if you look what he has done throughout his presidency, that he works for corporations. (like how jpmorgan chase has all the food stamp accounts, and the fact that all food stamp cards are specially programmed jpmorgan chase mastercards)

Want something that will make your head spin and let you hate this president for the right reasons?

www.oligarchyusa.com...

I'm not saying don't hate Obama, just hate him for the right reasons instead of what reasons Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and FOX News tell you.

Yeah right.What could possibly go wrong?

reply to post by SaturnFX

Long story short.

Long story short corporations don't give a ratts behind where they do business.

As long as it's cheap.

What creates outsourcing are unions,taxes, and regulations.

And we all know what party loves those things.

reply to post by HauntWok

It's obvious, if you look what he has done throughout his presidency, that he works for corporations.

No.

Let's take the 'affordable' care act for one.

The prexisting condition is going to kill them, and for those people who have them higher premiums.

They will not be able to afford so they will have no choice to go on STATE ran healthcare medicaid.

Next up.

WAGE increases.

That hurt business the most.

And the biggest employers in this country are small business owners.

Who get hit the hardest.

Oh who have to form 'corporations' to legal protections.

So no Obama is NOT a 'corporate oligarch'.

Then we have the financial regulations that expanded the federal reserve powers with Frank Dodd.

All of the above kills corporate business in this country.

Nice try.

neo96
IF Obama is not a communist.

WHAT IS HE ?

Sure the eff not a 'liberal'.

I agree with you here.
He isn't a liberal.
He is a conservative corporate stooge like the rest of em. Ask the insurance companies whom are banking off the new healthcare rules and soon to be mandate.

Escalated the Afghanistan War (Added 30,000 More Troops)
• Escalated the Afghanistan War (Added 30,000 More Troops)
• Has Ordered Drone Strikes (Assassinations) on US Citizens Outside the Country
• Gave Drug Companies Near Monopoly Power by Barring Imports, Extending Patents and Not Allowing the Government to Negotiate Better Prices
• Funneled Billions into the Biggest Banks in the Country After They Crashed the Economy
• Stacked Deficit Commission with Fiscal Conservatives
• Lowered Taxes Significantly (Stimulus Bill)
• Ordered Increased Offshore Drilling Before BP Spill

He is, if you consider Reagan as the watermark, about 4 steps to the right of Reagan.

The right however has sprinted a mile to the right since Reagan (would call Reagan a communist by todays standards no doubt)
Reagan:
• Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
• Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
• Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
• Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
• Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After Our Troops Were Attacked

neo96
Let's take the 'affordable' care act for one.

The prexisting condition is going to kill them, and for those people who have them higher premiums.

They will not be able to afford so they will have no choice to go on STATE ran healthcare medicaid.

Lets say Joe has a heart condition.
He cant get insurance because of it.
He then has a heart attack and is sent to the hospital for emergency super expensive treatment.
He can't afford it

Who pays?

WHO PAYS?!!

Taxpayers when the hospital writes it off.
We already pay...we just wait for it to become a really expensive emergency verses prevention.

your demanding its a bad thing if we just jump in at the beginning and do prevention...we should wait till its really really expensive and an emergency before we pay.

or
are you saying we should simply let people die in the streets if they cant afford or get covered by insurance? That's the only other option here.

reply to post by SaturnFX

He is a conservative corporate stooge like the rest of em. A

No he isn't.

• Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants • Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran) • Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them) • Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions • Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After Our Troops Were Attacked

Obama has done, and is trying to do all of the above too.

So what was the point there.

Obama has negotitate with terrorists: Syria,and arms to mexico.

Obama has raised taxes, ask smokers, and those with investments like the medicare surtax(but medicare pays for itself).

The only 'evil empire' OBama won't 'negotiate' with are Republicans.

Obama cut and run from Iraq, and Afhganistan to now Iran is best buddies with both.

And Iran aided in the deaths of Americans in both theatres.

Then Obama unfroze Iranian 'assets' here, and tried to bribe then to stop their pursuit of nuclear 'power'.

I am going by the Obama 'watermark'.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Who pays?

To help you out.....

The doctor pays by not being able to collect on his/her services!!!

The American Medical Association, which originally supported the Affordable Care Act, warned the rule could pose a "significant financial risk" for doctors and hospitals, and on Wednesday blasted out guidelines to help members try and avoid those costs.

At issue is a 90-day "grace period" which lets patients who are not paying their premiums keep coverage for 90 days before it can be canceled.

Under the rule, insurers are responsible for paying any claims during the first month of that period -- but not necessarily for any claims during the final 60 days.

Medical group that backed ObamaCare warns obscure rule could hurt doctors

So as you can see, the insurance companies, AS PREDICTED, will be raking in the dough, while doctors won't get payed, and the sheriffs will be very busy serving papers to put liens on peoples properties!

Trying to defend this current president by bringing up healthcare, isn't a wise thing to do anymore! Hell, even Nancy Pelosi refuses to call it "Obamacare" anymore!

reply to post by SaturnFX

Lets say Joe has a heart condition. He cant get insurance because of it.

Bullsnip.

Joe would be disabled, and automatically be covered either by being declared 'disabled' or get medicare or medicaid.

He then has a heart attack and is sent to the hospital for emergency super expensive treatment. He can't afford it

By law anyone who needs medical treatment gets medical treatment.

I do beleive REAGAN made that law.

Who pays?

Well Joe can deduct his medical expense when he files his taxes for one.

Taxpayers when the hospital writes it off. We already pay...we just wait for it to become a really expensive emergency verses prevention.

We do ?

Must have missed that link from the Huf post saying 46% of Americans have ZERO tax liability.

your demanding its a bad thing if we just jump in at the beginning and do prevention...we should wait till its really really expensive and an emergency before we pay. or are you saying we should simply let people die in the streets if they cant afford or get covered by insurance? That's the only other option here.

Give it a GD rest.

Seriously ?

What that vitriol ?

I guess saying I want people to die must make your position 'correct' ?

Some of us don't have to use emotion for our arguments or hypothetical scenarios.

But once again since the LAW no dies from not paying their medical bills.

Since BY LAW treatment is ALWAYS rendered.

Hmm

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to anyone needing it regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nice demagoguery there

There's really too much going on here to argue about and have a coherent discussion with. Too many issues.

Let's take the first thing though.

Obama's policies aren't really communist or socialist and I don't think he's ruining the country. I think there's been some really loud and alarming rhetoric from the right wing mouth pieces like Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter etc that isn't quite true. Their rhetoric isn't designed to deny ignorance but to make sure that the right get's in power next time and kicks out the left. That's it. There is no communism or fascism or socialist takeover designed by Obama. It's not happening. Healthcare isn't that strong to take our rights away...we have the patriot act and the nsa for that. Why aren't you angry about them? And the Behngazi (sp) controversy isn't that bad ...at least compared to a war in Iraq and afghanistan or Iran Contra etc or even the fast and furious scandal.

Obama is not a communist. Seriously.

The other issues are just matters of degrees and could take up multiple threads..so let's just stick to this. Calling Obama out on his policies is one thing. We need to do that. Calling him and his policies communist is ...well a little crazy. That is the farthest thing from truth.

reply to post by amazing


Obama may not be a communist, but I'd bet you five internets that if there was anyone that Obama admired, it would be communists!

reply to post by neo96


I didn't say he was a business oligarch, I said he was a corporate oligarch. Large corporations, their shareholders. Get it? He's not out to help small business, he's out to help large corporations. You know, the people who can afford all those business killing things Obama did all on his own without congress (cause according to the right, Obama signs laws into existence all on his own without any say so from congress at all)

Really, thinking for yourself is an option. You don't just have to take Rush, & hannity's word for gospel.

Michelle's mother .. who has been living free and clear in the White House all this time ... has gone on the trip. Apparently, she's barking orders and the hotel staff there can't wait for her to leave.

Beijing Hotel Workers Fed Up with Obama Entourage

Beijing hotel workers already 'fed up' with Obama entourage in 3400-square-foot, $8,350-per-night suite inconveniencing 'pretty much everyone' – and the first lady's mother is 'barking at the staff'

Michelle Obama, her daughters and her mother Marian Robinson are staying in a sumptuous presidential suite at a Beijing Westin hotel

Mrs. Robinson has been 'barking at the staff since she arrived,' a hotel staffer said, adding that 'we can't wait for this to be over'

Secret Service agents are monopolizing elevators and booting high-paying guests from their rooms to occupy a block of space near the first lady

Both front and back doors of the hotel are blocked off, with Chinese and U.S. security agents screening everyone who enters
Ordinary Chinese describe Mrs. Obama and her family as kind and gracious, but hotel staff are 'fed up'

neo96
Since BY LAW treatment is ALWAYS rendered.

Hmm

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to anyone needing it regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nice demagoguery there

edit on 21-3-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

And unpaid bills gets passed on.

privately insured individuals don't end up paying higher premiums to make up for the uninsured because hospitals that serve lower-income families don't have a lot of patients with insurance. He said the government pays about 75% of those unpaid hospital bills either by direct payment or through a disproportionate payment of Medicaid.

"It affects taxes, not premiums," he said. "The privately insured are still paying for it."

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USAToday Source
Funny how my emotional responses have links to actual facts and research.

Thanks for proving my point
Were done here.