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Anthropological Effects: From acid rain to chemtrials and the mediation methods

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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 04:20 PM
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The Chinese don't even have good laundry secrets, because if they did they would use Eco-friendly products with Coco-nut Oil that doesn't upset things with phosphate.

Calgon uses zeolites, which are some special aluminum volcano magic materials.

Borax beats Calgon and Zeolites. But you can make some good cat litter with zeolite.


The Chinese don't know much of the ancient Mesopotamia secrets of Boron, else they might be using Borax to clean clothes.

Ancient Mesopotamia (The Creator God for Adam and Eve) and the First temple Hebrews knew their good tasting water healed the sick.

So do the Chemtrail folks that use Aluminium borohydride.


Funny, but you show you value ignorance over knowledge. You failed the course.

Enroll again next year.


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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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MagnumOpus
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Calgon uses zeolites, which are some special aluminum volcano magic materials.


No, they are not.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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Some of the early testing of Jet Fuels looking at flame velocity considerations in wind tunnels. Notice lots of aluminum based materials and the aluminum borate. The existence for the aluminum and boron based additives goes way back in time.

Citations:




The following fuels and fuel combinations injected from the top wall of a Mach 2 wind tunnel were successfully burned and gave associated pressure rises: aluminum borohydride, pentaborane, mixtures containing up to 41 percent JP-4 fuel in aluminum borohydride, tandem injections of aluminum borohydride, tandem injections of JP-4 fuel and aluminum borohydride, trimethyl aluminum with water injections, and diethyl aluminum hydride with water injections. The following fuels could not be ignited at the tunnel conditions (static pressure, 5.6 in. Hg; static temperature, -148 F): trimethylborane, triethylborane, propylpentaborane, ethyl- decaborane, and vinylsilane. Studies in which the heated region was probed by water injections indicated that the flow downstream of the flame front is subsonic and recirculating.



Source:

NASA test on fuel additives



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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Aloysius the Gaul

MagnumOpus
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Calgon uses zeolites, which are some special aluminum volcano magic materials.


No, they are not.


Read your own source.




Natural zeolites form where volcanic rocks and ash layers react with alkaline groundwater.

Zeolites are microporous, aluminosilicate minerals




You really need to quit trying to take the theme off the topic via perfidious comments.

No more distractions, no more off topic comments.
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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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Yeah - they tested lots of stuff to find out what was best.

And then they stopped using the vast majority of it.

got anything that shows that this is an additive used today??



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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The use of "biocides" for Jet Fuels is common practice, and Boron enters the equations:

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Adding biocide to stored fuel solves one problem but creates another. If boron is used, boron levels must be monitored to avoid over-treating of the fuel. Overdosing could cause further mechanical damage to the aircraft’s fuel system.



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Biocidses and Boron



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:48 PM
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So do the Chemtrail folks that use Aluminium borohydride.


Aside from merely demonstrating chemtrails haave any basis in fact, you have yet to demonstrate any proof the fictitious chemtrails contain any such compound...so, my supposition of Calgon is just as illegitimate as yours and merely solidifies the illegitimacy of your post and this statement.

Funny, but you show you value ignorance over knowledge. You failed the course.

Enroll again next year.


And you have failed, through ignorance or indifference (likely willful), to grasp the necessity of enlisting an attorney...After all, you made this statement in this post:


The science shows what they are doing via the concepts for chemtrails.

IF this statement is true, then there is absolutely NO DOUBT a qualified attorney would take your case on a pro bono basis, a no-cash upfront basis, or any other basis. The case would be tried CIVILLY, meaning the science only needs to tilt the scales to 51 percent certainty chemtrails exist.
Rest assured, if this ever happens, all the debunkers here would take their toys and go home...They are certainly free to disagree with me, of course...



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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Avoiding damage to engines looks like a good reason to not use Boron!

Here's the MSDS for Kathon 1.5 - perhaps the most common aviation biocide in use today - it contains no boron.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 05:55 PM
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Jet fuel history review and we find JP-6 used Boron for increased range.

But the Jet fuel industry has constant problems with sludge in tanks that is handled with Boron additives.


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JP-6 is a type of jet fuel, which was developed for the XB-70 Valkyrie supersonic heavy bomber. JP-6 was similar to JP-5 but with a lower freezing point and improved thermal oxidative stability, with added boron for higher speed and increased range.



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Types of Jet Fuel



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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so it was used in the Valkyrie......of which 2 were made - and which last flew in 1969.

From the wiki page on military jet fuels:

When the XB-70 program was cancelled, the JP-6 specification, MIL-J-25656, was also cancelled.
- which means they stopped making it!

How does this relate to civil airliners again?

Edit to add lonk to zip fuel -


Zip fuel, also known as high energy fuel (HEF), is any member of a family of jet fuels containing additives in the form of hydro-boron compounds, or boranes. Zip fuels offered higher power density than conventional fuels, helping extend the range of jet aircraft, a major problem for the military planners in the 1950s. A number of aircraft were designed to make use of zip, including the XB-70 Valkyrie, XF-108 Rapier, as well as the BOMARC, and even the nuclear-powered aircraft program. In testing, the fuels proved to have several serious problems and the entire effort was eventually canceled in 1959.

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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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Boron works fine for low concentration methods. The running temps get too high for the high concentration Boron fuels and it tends to clog igniters. Lots of the Zip fuel projects used Boron energy enhancement methods.

They did some testing with higher Boron it came out like smoke soot, but the lower levels make the lighter fogging effects, doesn't make much excess temp for running, and tosses out Boron particles.


More examples of Boron Fuel treatments for Jet tanks:


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Boron in jet fuels



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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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So, it appears there is a mass ignorance of Freon in the atmosphere, and ATS doesn't like ignorance.


No there isn't a mass ignorance of Freon, because we are still waiting for you to make a connection to chemtrails, yet you just won't do it, why?



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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So, it appears there is a mass ignorance of Freon in the atmosphere, and ATS doesn't like ignorance.


No there isn't a mass ignorance of Freon, because we are still waiting for you to make a connection to chemtrails, yet you just won't do it, why?




OK, then the problem must be you.

When half the planet is upset with chemtrails fogging the skies and making lines to involve aerosol type clouds.

And Freon is connected to harm of the Southern Oceans that produces less vapor to aerosol conversion cloud cover.


It is clear that chemtrail methods intend to make clouds to replace the ones the Freon damage doesn't make.

Clouds made by chemtrails compensate for clouds not made over oceans due to Freon damage to the Sulfur Cycle cloud making.


If you don't see the connections, then there is zero hope for your growing out of ignorance.



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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 06:43 PM
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When half the planet is upset with chemtrails fogging the skies and making lines to involve aerosol type clouds.


I see the problem now...You seriously think chemtrails are real without one miniscule piece if evidence to prove they exist.

Okay lets try this...

Show proof that chemtrails are in fact real then you can tie whatever you want to them, but first things first....Prove chemtrails are real then go from there.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:03 PM
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MagnumOpus
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Boron works fine for low concentration methods. The running temps get too high for the high concentration Boron fuels and it tends to clog igniters. Lots of the Zip fuel projects used Boron energy enhancement methods.


and as was pointed out the zip fuels stopped being researched in 1959.


They did some testing with higher Boron it came out like smoke soot, but the lower levels make the lighter fogging effects, doesn't make much excess temp for running, and tosses out Boron particles.


More examples of Boron Fuel treatments for Jet tanks:


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Boron in jet fuels


published in 1967, and the product being discussed is Biobor-JF (see also the wiki page) - which is apparently still in use.

congratulations - you have found a boron-based biocide which is actualy used in modern jets.

so why didn't you just link to it??


anyway - now that we have established that it can be and is used........so what?

of course it is actually relatively harmless (see MSDS at previous link) - especially when compared to the non-boron Kathon!!

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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:09 PM
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Now some more common sense. The entire planet is complaining about lines of clouds in the skies and a gloomy haze in the skies that isn't natural.


When aircraft did not cause this effect previously, and the con trails dissipated quickly. Then one discovers they were designed to do this serious screwing up of the cloud cover over the US that is worse than graffiti in a large city. Just who didn't consider the environmental impact statements that said it was all good to screw up the skies and pretty blue sky around the world?


Where are the environmental impact statement for the shading of the planet from these jet induced haze and graffiti lines in the skies around the world? Just how much is the Jet haze cutting down the Sun and IR energy to the Earth's surface as that is required in environmental impact reporting.


Just who turned off these considerations and just where are these reports they owe all the American Public, and really the residents of the world.

Somebody in Govt. is a Crook and the whole world needs to oust the Crooks covering up this damage factor to own skies around the world.


Everyone needs to demand these Impact statements and speak to the changes in jet plane designs and fuel systems that caused the loss of our planet's natural beauty. Such has value and we all suffer damages from such environmental outrages.


I'd suggest a class action against every aircraft company that is associated with lingering jet trails of any kind, asking for the Environmental Impact Statements and for damages due to graffiti type damages to your skies. When the suits start putting the jet companies out of business to correct the problems, then they will all start talking.


Then once that falls, get to the fuel additives that show up in the air and demand to know the precise sources for all these aerosols and particulates tossed into the air. Do a full accounting and double check with air sample models until all is explained.


NASA is supposed to be looking at all the jet trail problems and they need to get that report on the table for all the environmental impact problems. The EPA needs to account for all the Aluminum in the air, plus Boron and other pollutants, because that is their responsibility. Check for the air monitor collection data match the EPA releases data.

There is more to expect from Govt and politicians and it is time to ask and the collective voice of all Americans needs to be heard in Washington and other affected around to the world to their own Govts.

Good reading:

Setting up Citizens rights against Jet Damage



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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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Aloysius the Gaul

MagnumOpus
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Boron works fine for low concentration methods. The running temps get too high for the high concentration Boron fuels and it tends to clog igniters. Lots of the Zip fuel projects used Boron energy enhancement methods.


and as was pointed out the zip fuels stopped being researched in 1959.


They did some testing with higher Boron it came out like smoke soot, but the lower levels make the lighter fogging effects, doesn't make much excess temp for running, and tosses out Boron particles.


More examples of Boron Fuel treatments for Jet tanks:


Source:

Boron in jet fuels


published in 1967, and the product being discussed is Biobor-JF (see also the wiki page) - which is apparently still in use.

congratulations - you have found a boron-based biocide which is actualy used in modern jets.

so why didn't you just link to it??


anyway - now that we have established that it can be and is used........so what?

of course it is actually relatively harmless (see MSDS at previous link) - especially when compared to the non-boron Kathon!!

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I do think the issue was your reading and comprehension was not there. I listed that Boron additives to Jet fuels existed and that company was doing their alternative from Rohm and Haas. If you can't read their page that tells there are Boron additives, then kick yourself.

You went off trying to cover up the fact there were well known Boron additives to jet fuel that this company well told existed.

Now that you have admitted we have Boron Chemtrails from Jets, where is the environmental impact statements that show the distribution of the materials and the amounts emitted?




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posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:30 PM
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Now some more common sense. The entire planet is complaining about lines of clouds in the skies and a gloomy haze in the skies that isn't natural.

Believing those lines are "chemtrails" isn't common sense, it's common delusion.

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you about most of your info. Much of it I simply don't know for certain one way or the other. On the matter of "chemtrails" though, most of what you have asserted is baseless and the rest that isn't bogus is insufficient for the task.



When aircraft did not cause this effect previously, and the con trails dissipated quickly.

And when was this? Persistent contrails have existed since 1920 or maybe a few years earlier.



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:31 PM
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When aircraft did not cause this effect previously, and the con trails dissipated quickly.


When do you consider previously?

Then what about these...









From WWII.

And then we have this also...

www.457thbombgroup.org...

Enjoy...



posted on Mar, 10 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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When half the planet is upset with chemtrails fogging the skies and making lines to involve aerosol type clouds.


I see the problem now...You seriously think chemtrails are real without one miniscule piece if evidence to prove they exist.

Okay lets try this...

Show proof that chemtrails are in fact real then you can tie whatever you want to them, but first things first....Prove chemtrails are real then go from there.



Oops---you are a little slow-----we now have Boron chemtrails from jets.

Now we need environmental impact statements on the levels used, the compound types and so on.



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