Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

deessell
reply to post by ManiShuck

 

With respect, do you really think it is a good idea to post a link to that website? I really don't think they want hardcore conspiracy theorists posting on an already large thread.

well, sorry to break it to you, but if you actually go to that thread and are not aircrew their are plenty of people welcoming outsiders to the discussion as it is so out of the ordinary ... except one guy who is playing mod!

They also have a Spectator section with a new topic for NON aircrew to speculate on.

so om sorry to say but you are so very wrong , they are welcoming people to this site!

Hmmmmmmm
Need help posting this graphic.

i86.photobucket.com...

Very interesting stuff.

If the plane IS still in one piece on the ground (not, sadly, the most likely outcome IMO), why do I get the feeling that Diego Garcia might be involved? This isolated UK-owned atoll houses a large US Navy ship and submarine support base, military air base, and communications and space-tracking facility. Its runway is capable of landing the Space Shuttle, and is within the plane’s maximum travel distance. Given the island's remoteness and ability to effect a complete communication blackout with the outside world, where better to fly a 777?

Who would do this, and why, is another question, of course. Was the pilot under instruction to change course and fly there? If so, who by, and is it connected with passengers and / or cargo? If the plane had been hijacked, could US / other military planes have intervened to escort the plane there? Is there still an on-going hostage / negotiation situation taking place in complete secrecy, with the current search activity being allowed to continue in order to deflect attention.

For the sake of the relatives of those on the flight, I hope there is some element of truth in my hypothesising. I just don't understand, in this day and age, how an airliner can simply disappear.

Edit to add:- I'm not claiming this hypothesis as my own.

Well on March 8th the Andaman island had army,navy and air force doing training drills...so for example if the navy is traning for emergency would they train on the sea/ocean? Same for airforce? Which if so then you would think if there was anything to see they wouldve reported?

So thinking that that wasnt last place of the plane..

News for Andaman

reply to post by lacrimoniousfinale


"Your" thesis is not original, you got it from here:


www.cabaltimes.com...

You know, if this is terrorism, it's a damn good method. Hijack, disappear with almost no trace, and keep quiet. That's actually a very straightforward method of making people fearful without making yourself into a bulls eye. Think about that. Look at the world right now, how fixated everyone is on this plane and how much wild speculation and how much unease is running rampant. If this is a terror plot, saying nothing at all has made a whole planet look over their proverbial shoulder, and the speculation is going nowhere fast. Talk about a low-key wrench in the global machine.

To be fair, it's quite genius. The unknown can generate immense fear in the general public, and the confusion can be an open door for striking again elsewhere.

qd22vcc
I'm wondering. . Are there more pings that we don't know about? At first there was only one they wanted to confirm. ..so it did crash or refueled and thus should have more pings on radar ... which means they know where it went.

As I understand it the automatic pings from the systems onboard picked up by the Inmarsat satelite are just signals to for the equipment to say "I exist, I'm ready to communicate" to the satellite. It's a bit like any WiFi device trying to connect.

This kind of signal won't give an exact location just a rough area. The press conference this morning said they were trying to narrow things down using various analysis of these signals . It's quite possible that they are narrowing the search area now and are looking at other signals too.

DrHammondStoat

qd22vcc
I'm wondering. . Are there more pings that we don't know about? At first there was only one they wanted to confirm. ..so it did crash or refueled and thus should have more pings on radar ... which means they know where it went.

As I understand it the automatic pings from the systems onboard picked up by the Inmarsat satelite are just signals to for the equipment to say "I exist, I'm ready to communicate" to the satellite. It's a bit like any WiFi device trying to connect.

This kind of signal won't give an exact location just a rough area. The press conference this morning said they were trying to narrow things down using various analysis of these signals . It's quite possible that they are narrowing the search area now and are looking at other signals too.

That is my understanding of the system as well.

reply to post by Hmmmmmmm


There were pings from the Rolls Royce engines but the pings that indicate the extra 4 hours flying time were signals from an onboard maintenance system. This was corrected in the WSJ a day ago and confirmed in press conferences.

Sounds like some India newspapers are saying plane possibly towards Kazakhstan.....


article

IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM MALAYSIA'S PRIME MINISTER

Looks like Malaysia are releasing information now it is verified.

The plane commenced flight at 00:40 and the last known satellite communication was received at 08:11

Basically the plane potentially flew on for a FURTHER 7 HOURS and pointers are that the last known ping was perhaps Kazakhstan.

www.bbc.co.uk...

The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

According to satellite and radar evidence, he said, the plane then changed course and could have continued flying for a further seven hours.

He said the "movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane".

Mr Razak told a news conference that new satellite evidence shows "with a high degree of certainty" that the one of the aircraft's communications systems - the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System - was disabled just before it had reached the east coast of Malaysia.

ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground, relaying in-flight information about the health of its systems.

Shortly afterwards, near the cross-over point between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic controllers, the plane's transponder - which emits an identifying signal - was switched off, he said.

According to a military radar, the aircraft then turned and flew back over Malaysia before heading in a north-west direction.

A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane until 08:11 local time - more than seven hours after it lost radar contact - although it was unable to give a precise location, Mr Razak said.

He went on to say that based on this new data, investigators "have determined the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors":

a northern corridor stretching from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand

a southern corridor stretching from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean

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I used to have a link to the buoy's in the ocean cant find it now. Seems to me that it would shows wave heights if the plane crashed in the ocean. Will keep looking. They may not even have them over there.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Yes, amongst other sources. If I've not run out of time, I'll edit my post to make it clear that I am not claiming the hypothesis as my own. I had meant to do that originally but, in my haste to post, forgot. I'm still surprised how little attention the Diego Garcia angle has got here on ATS, though.

That is absolutely insane if the plane was hijacked and flown to an other country !

Pulling this off with success in this day and age is more than mind-boggling.

Furthermore, taking care of the 240 hostages is no easy task....

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


It's crazy how fast information gets changed in these deals.

They've know for a week that is was deliberate, yet still went on searching areas they knew couldn't contain the plane, just to keep up the dog and pony show for the press.


This entire thing gets stranger by the minute.

Only two kinds of runways can handle a heavy, military bases and Intl airports. And since a white 777 with MALAYSIA in 12 foot blue letters would be noticed, that leaves military facilities.

So we're talking about the very real possibility of this being sanctioned by a government. Which would not end well for anyone involved.

lacrimoniousfinale
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

Yes, amongst other sources. If I've not run out of time, I'll edit my post to make it clear that I am not claiming the hypothesis as my own. I had meant to do that originally but, in my haste to post, forgot. I'm still surprised how little attention the Diego Garcia angle has got here on ATS, though.

Somewhere between pages 50 and 70 a very extensive analysis of DG was conducted.

Nyiah
To be fair, it's quite genius. The unknown can generate immense fear in the general public, and the confusion can be an open door for striking again elsewhere.

People can't let the terrorists win by getting scared. I was on one of the first flights back in the air after the airports reopened after 9/11, and I'm not scared to fly now.

If fear is what they want and you give it to them, you're letting them manipulate you, and you're all better than that.

Hmmmmmmm
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

It's crazy how fast information gets changed in these deals.

They've know for a week that is was deliberate, yet still went on searching areas they knew couldn't contain the plane, just to keep up the dog and pony show for the press.


This entire thing gets stranger by the minute.

Only two kinds of runways can handle a heavy, military bases and Intl airports. And since a white 777 with MALAYSIA in 12 foot blue letters would be noticed, that leaves military facilities.

So we're talking about the very real possibility of this being sanctioned by a government. Which would not end well for anyone involved.

No they haven't known it was deliberate for a week this was one theory. Read the press conferences, the Malay officials have said they have kept all possibilities open until they could confirm each lead.

The Malaysian PM said this morning,

Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, I wish to be very clear: we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path.

Despite this major news agencies everywhere are running with HIJACKING!

reply to post by judydawg


Found the link for bouy"s nothing looks like a big splash to me. Someone in the know needs to look at them.

www.ndbc.noaa.gov...