Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

DrHammondStoat
From the Malay Prime Minister's statement

Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off. From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed – but not confirmed – to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.
Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur. According to the new data, the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11AM Malaysian time on Saturday 8th March. The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact. This will help us to refine the search.
Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite. However, based on this new data, the aviation authorities of Malaysia and their international counterparts have determined that the plane’s last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. The investigation team is working to further refine the information.
In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board. Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, I wish to be very clear: we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path.

www.theguardian.com...

So they still believe one of the pilots could have done this for his own reasons and not necessarily a hijacking.

edit on 15-3-2014 by DrHammondStoat because: (no reason given)

Let me translate that from BS to English. "We still have no freaking idea what happened."

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


So then "legally" nothing changes? I think ICAO has the "rules" for airline crashes, but wasn't sure if there was anything different for when a plane abandons its course.

Sky news are saying it's Zaharie house being searched and the police arrived shortly after the pm finished his conference, so no word of going to the others house which "could" suggest a reason for only going to his home??

Editing as the following I have just read

The police sources confirmed their officers visited Shah's house but said they had only questioned his family and no raid was carried out, Australian news website news.com.au reported.

The police said that they went to Shah's home for a routine investigation and to look for any underlying mental or psychological issues.


Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Crash Map
As part of the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of flight MH370, authorities are reportedly studying the behavioural pattern of each passenger and crew member through their CCTV footage

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DrHammondStoat
From the Malay Prime Minister's statement

In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board. Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, I wish to be very clear: we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path.

www.theguardian.com...

So they still believe one of the pilots could have done this for his own reasons and not necessarily a hijacking.

edit on 15-3-2014 by DrHammondStoat because: (no reason given)

Let me translate that from BS to English. "We still have no freaking idea what happened."

More or less yes, they have little idea except the plane turned and flew on.

I think they're being honest though. It's the media that are saying 'Hijacking'.
Yesterday the Malays made a statement that they were looking at the 'pings' from the Inmarsat satellites, about 8 hours later they have another conference to say the pings did actually indicate the plane was flying and for how long. It seems they have been trying to confirm each lead with a degree of certainty before using it to inform the search, a completely logical and responsible way to work.

In this age of instant updates and constant 'news' it's the media that are responsible for the confusion in this event by churning out stories based on pure speculation in an attempt to feed the public need for information.

SprocketUK
reply to post by option158

 

I wouldn't even attempt it. but, you know, if someone really wanted someone on that plane and the ability to deny it...

If someone wanted something on the plane, why not just steal it before it got on the plane?

A robbery on the ground would be a lot easier and cheaper that training people to hijack a plane and having to subdue 200+ people and having the whole world out looking.

If it was someone on board that was the target, the same logic applies.

civpop

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Crash Map
As part of the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of flight MH370, authorities are reportedly studying the behavioural pattern of each passenger and crew member through their CCTV footage

edit on 15-3-2014 by civpop because: (no reason given)

Body language!? That's a long shot!

puntito
I read that the hijacker may have climbed to 45000 feet first to knock out the passengers.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show that the missing airliner climbed to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and turned sharply to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

Source

This is from Aviation Herald:

Altitude of 45,000 ft
By S Eldin on Saturday, Mar 15th 2014 04:46Z

I have serious doubts about the claim of the aircraft climbing up to 45,000 ft.

Being familiar with the type, at the 230-240 tons that the aircraft weighed one hour into flight the performance limited altitude would have been between 38,000 and 39,000 ft, increasing about 10,000 ft for every 10 tons of fuel burned.

Normal takeoff fuel would have been in the range of 44-47 tons.

To climb significantly above these altitudes is not possible because the engines would not be able to develop the required thrust and the wing would not have been able to generate the required lift, both of which reduce with increased altitude.

To be able to climb to 45,000 ft (which is 2,000 ft above the certified ceiling of this 777) the weight would have to be reduced to approx. 165 tons; in other words the weight of the aircraft, payload and virtually no fuel .

www.avherald.com...

Not saying it's impossible, but even some users on PPRuNe have some doubt about it.

It's a good theory, though, since that would initially knock people out and the hijacker could eventually dump the cabin pressure (I read that somewhere, can't find it now) which would kill passengers.

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edition.cnn.com...


the Chinese are trying to to flush them out;

reply to post by option158


I can't find where, but someone posted that earlier and was told to ask about seismic activity in that region in the Fragile Earth section.

I also assume you posted it as a chance that it crashed in the region. This was on USA Today about a separate event.

"It's very unlikely that the aircraft would have hit the undersea floor strong enough to cause a seismic event that we could detect," said Paul Caruso, a geophysicist with USGS.

www.usatoday.com...

Seismic Hazard
All of the Andaman & Nicobar Islands lie in Zone V. The entire island chain is also susceptible to tsunamis both from large local quakes and also from massive distant shocks.

asc-india.org...

Zone 5 covers the areas with the highest risks zone that suffers earthquakes of intensity MSK IX or greater.

en.wikipedia.org...

To back up how active they are, a 4.8 magnitude quake hit 350 miles south of the major Andaman and Nicobar Islands 4-5 hours ago.
www.google.org...

And as for bombs, for a 5.5 magnitude earthquake, that would be slightly less than the 6.0 the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima would cause.

According to Malaysian officials, the plane could have landed in Kyrgyztan or China.
If we later discovered that it landed in China, think of the possible consequences...

reply to post by ManiShuck


sorry i wasn't talking about bombs , I was talking about earthquake machines, IMO

reply to post by kanbanozaurus


There is a story of 20 passengers being dept of defence employees working on cloaking technology. I call it a story because the source hasn't been verified. If it was true it would give China a Motive to grab the engineers/scientists t work on cloaking technology projects. We will all just have to wait and see, lots of theories and heresay but lacking on facts.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


You are talking about the Freescale employees, right?
Do we know for sure if they are kinda high level engineers? If so, it is not really a smart move to book them on a same flight.
I understand that Freescale are working for the US Dept. Of Defense, do they officially work for China as well? I don't know if it is possible, which I doubt.

India is currently searching the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
www.thestar.com.my...

It was also mentioned on PPRuNe that the alleged flight path is on line with trying match up a flight to tailgate behind another plane, which that discussion is ongoing there now if you go to the last page (or at least at the time of this posting).
www.pprune.org...

In my opinion there aren’t to many possibilities left. As I know aircraft systems in general pretty well (haven’t worked on an 777 but 747, A430…) we would have found the wreckage by now with all the rescue operations and Tomnod. So if it’s not a aircraft failure and we have data for at least 4 hours after lost of transponder it should be a hijack/hostage operation. So we have to ask who dit it and why.

IMHO I don’t think that it was the pilot or a ‚normal‘ hijack as we would have heard about this by now. Either requesting thousands of $ for the passsengers or the plane…
Even in a suicide you would try to let you relatives either know that it was a suicide or let them get the insurance as they think it was a hijack gone wrong. Nothing like this happend so I don’t think the pilots commited suicide.

I also would rule out a terrorist attack as terror only works if every person in the world know that it was a terror attack.

So what is left is a proffessional hijack for some reason like special person on board or data on a laptop or the freight. But there is a problem with that scenario. If I’m that high in the global rank to perform such a ‚perfect‘ hijack I either don’t care about the passengers or I want to safe them. So either I would have arranged everything to let it look like a Hijack with just the few persons vanished/killed I’m after or I would have taklen everything I’m after, place a bomb on bord, let if start again an detonate that bomb to tell everybody it was a hijack gone wrong… I guess we would have found the wreckage by now.

What is left is eithr an extremly abnormal technical failure with pilots that try everything to land the plane and sinking into the ocean or someone with extreme power to let this aircraft vanish (for whatever reason) but may need the plane for another action so staging a faked explosion/hijack is not a possibility.

The only other reason would be states and ‚experts‘ that are so dumb that they know nothing lie to us to hide that they know absolutely nothing and I don’t want to believe that they are this dumb.

So please if you read this forget all the territorial stuff and think about all the 239 people on board. If you reveal what you know and try to help find them you will be a hero. No matter if your radar is worse than advertised or you don’t know what happend. If you helped finding the aircraft everything else would be minor.

Please think about all the relatives that still hope that they are living and suffer with every minute they don’t know what happend.

Ok lets fit latest data in my every time more outrageous plausible conspiracy theory
Ready for a novel I would say.

Amhadinejad, the ex president of Iran, knows he is the Mahdi, the redeemer of the islam.
He thinks that because the word mahdi that is a several hundreds of years old word is
actually a direct reference to his name and thus he is the prophesied redeemer.
The geometrical shape of the mosque is also a reference to the way that the
moslims must be redeemed.

Notice how the iranian nuclear breeder reactor looks very much like a mosque.
The plant is complete with dome and minaret (the minaret is a cooling tower).
The traditional mosque shape also precedes the nuclear reactors so this must be a sign from Allah.
And some immeasurable rich oil sheikhs completely believe this story and finance
the mahdi in everything that he wishes..
Now the devil in the form of the united nations has put sanctions on Iran and does
everything to stop Iran from breeding plutonium and centrifuging to enrich uranium.
So actually the UN is stopping mahdi from redeeming the islam people and introducing
Sharia into the whole world.
The introduction of sharia law in the whole world is peace in the eyes of moslim people,
so mahdi can safely say: we use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. _javascript:icon('')
I am sure you have heard mahdi say that.

So now they trained some innocent looking iranians to "black ops" level to hijack a plane
to stop this devilish UN organization from obstructing mahdi to execute his big city plan.
The big city plan is to drive an atomic bomb in every non islam city and explode all
those bombs simultaneously to eradicate all the devil's in their hiding places.

So now the two iranian black ops terrorists bought tickets to get on a plane.
In order to not sound suspicious they asked for the cheapest tickets.
Once they found out that the tickets did not render them on the same plane and/or
the plane they would be on was not big enough for their purpose,
they just did not board the flight and waited and bought another ticket.

I find it suspicious the both Iranians did not board a plane they had bought tickets for
buying the cheapest tickets you would think they had no money to spent and not
boarding a cheapest fare ticket equals loosing the money.

They bought tickets to different destinations to render unrelated to eachother
for posterior investigators.
These new tickets that Ali bought for them did fit their goal because the airplane
maybe now fit their size/range and now they were both on the same plane.

The perpertrators got on board. Maybe they were able to carry a gun on board.
They wait for the plane be on autopilot. (we don't want to crash the plane during
the action)
They acted quickly within the hour, because they need all the fuel to be able to
get where they wanted.
They shot six windows of the plane and when the pilot opened the door to see what
happened back in the cabin they immediately killed him, while the cabin was loosing
pressure.
They took over the plane and turned of all communications and transponders.
They disappeared from the flight tracker and civilian radars.
They took the on board pilot oxygen equipment and circled the plane sharp to the right
until the plane was heading west.
They climbed to 45000 feet, as high as the plane can go, lowering the pressure and
effectively knocking out, killing all the passengers.
Then they dived sharply and flew under the radar for a while flying over the Malaysian
continent.
(we read that phones can still ring, but dead people do not answer)

They dived under the radar. We read the plane disappeared from radars and we read
the plane was spotted going down quickly.
"A 'bright light descending at high speed', witnessed by a man in north-east Malaysia"

And later it was flying at very low heights for a while
They seem to have turned around. Plane was presumably spotted on mainland Malaysia
by fishermen at very low height so it seems they wanted to disappear for an hour
under radars to difficult the posterior investigations
They seem to have flown west, if we interpolate the last seen spot on the military
radar location mentioned by the military personell close to a small island in the street
of Mallaka.

They are specialist ops so now they have everybody thinking they were actually flying west
and now they are flying north east to North Korea, because mahdi had found a disposable
friend in the Korean leaders who are very much at war with the UN devil too.

The plane would fly international waters only and probably arrive on fumes, but it probably
arrives. If it had some more fuel and it probably had, it would arrive easily in Korea.

In Korea they load a heavy atomic bomb in the capable 777, and they will fly the bomb to
The nuclear summit in The Hague where the devil is gathered together to breed on
the demise of mahdi.


Hope you have some imagination and fun reading this plot.

Here is the map showing where the last known location would be.



It's looking like a real possibility that it could be an Uyghur based plot, if data is correct. A lot of Chinese were on the plane so it would make sense to take that one. If it took the northern route, though, interesting why China wouldn't have read it on radar (of course it could be speculated that China themselves are the ones who took it).

reply to post by puntito


i wonder if it's possible to cloak a missile, making it transparent... that would be scary stuff.

peace

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In regards to the cell phones ringing:

The tracking of passengers’ mobile phones began shortly after the Boeing 777 disappeared early Saturday en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, the executive, who declined to be named, said Thursday. The telecom carrier, with more than 770 million subscribers, is the world’s largest wireless carrier by subscribers. According to a passenger list released by Malaysia Airlines, just over half of the 227 passengers on the flight were Chinese citizens.

The executive said China Mobile began the test at the request of family members of some of the passengers that used the carrier’s services as well as the Chinese government. He said none of the mobile phones were connected to a mobile network.

“There are certain limitations to our mobile networks. We won’t be able to track the mobile users if users switched off their phones or the plane is in the air above 10,000 meters or in the deep ocean,” said the executive.

IDC telecom analyst Yolanda Zhang said it is not possible for carriers to track mobile phones even if users are online using a Wi-Fi connection provided by the airline. They need to be on a carrier’s network to track location of users, she said. The Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 didn’t offer passengers a Wi-Fi connection.

blogs.wsj.com...

Looking at that line alone, would that explain why no calls would have been made about people taking over the plane? It was at an altitude of 35,000 ft (10,668 meters) for at least 5 minutes before things started being switched off.